Muslims believe that our body parts will testify our sins in the hereafter. Is that true for donated body parts as well?

Is the milk of those milk rivers in heaven cow’s milk? How many cows does it take for Allah to produce all that milk?

Isn't creation of the universe a very easy task for Allah? Why should we thank Allah for something he didn't really put much effort in doing it?

Little children may believe in Cinderella talking to birds and mice and stuff. What makes you smarter than a child if you believe that Suleiman, as the Qur'an says, was talking to ants?

Why didn't Allah create us circumcised if he wants us that way?

Why did Allah order us to have beards? Didn't he know Chinese can't grow a beard?

Why should we pray? Doesn't Allah already know what we want him to do for us? Do we have to SAY our demands in order for him to take action?

Many of the people who were so close to Muhammad didn't believe him like Abu Sufyan and Abu Taleb. Why is that?

Why is the Qur'an full of verses that say "Muhammad is not crazy"? Why did so many people accuse Muhammad of being crazy?

If Allah wants apostates to be executed, why doesn't he do it himself? Does He need our help in fulfilling his desires?

Who created Allah? If Allah does not have to be created, why can't the universe also not have to be created?

If the Quran was written by God, why does it fail to convince the whole world that it's really written by God? For example, the theory of gravity is convincing enough that everyone believes in it!

This question is for Shites: Why doesn't Allah and Imam Zaman heal Ali Khamenei's hand?

If Allah wanted Ali to be the substitute after Muhammad, why did He fail in his plan?

The Kaa'ba was destroyed at least twice after Muhammad's death. Why didn't Allah send birds to protect the Kaa'ba then?

The Quran says the Earth will tell its stories in the hereafter. Does the Earth have a brain, a mouth and a tongue?

The three Jewish tribes of Medina were all accused of betrayal, and they were all Jewish. Why didn't Muhammad do the same thing for all of them if he was acting on Allah's plan?

Quran says there were magicians doing weird stuff. Does Allah really believe that witches can do magic?

Why does SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) occur? Why would Allah allow a baby to live for such a short period of time? Why not just let them not be born in the first place?
Did Laleh and Ladan have two souls?


If Hijab is good for the society, how come no secular or non-Muslim sociologists or psychologists have affirmed this fact?

Why did Allah create dinosaurs and then killed them all?

If Allah opened the sea so that Moses and the Jews could run away from Egypt, why didn't he open the gates of concentration camps?

Why are we granted free will if our duty in this life to Allah is to do as we are told? We are told to follow rules upon threat of punishment. Is that really free will?
If you are born retarded, does that mean your "soul" is retarded as well?

What is the purpose of prayer? What can a finite being on Earth possibly tell an omnipotent and omniscient Allah which he doesn't know already?

How can Heaven be utter bliss when you know that people you love and care about are burning in Hell?

Quran says whatever you want will be available for you in heaven. Can we ask Allah to let us be the God of the Universe for a few days instead of him?

In which direction should a Muslim say his daily prayers when he is on planet Mars?


Before reading and writing were invented (5000BC), what basis did Allah use to judge the people who died before the Hebrew and Greek text (BIBLE) were written?

Red Indians did not have any prophets. Why did Allah leave them alone? How are they going to be judged in the hereafter?

Doesn't the fact that prophets are all from middle east, show that prophet-hood is a middle eastern method of deceiving people?

Brain transplants will eventually be possible. Where would the soul end up then?




Muslims assert that since we and our Universe are an intelligent design, we must have been created by God. But then God is an intelligent design also, so who created him?

Isn't God complex enough to require a creator in minds of theists?


If Allah is all-knowing is there anything we can do to surprise him? If not, why does he react so often to what we do?

If you can help to stop a crime and you don't then you are an immoral person. How can God not help to stop crimes and still be moral?

Muhammad said that black cumin cures all diseases except death. Can it cure AIDS, Polio, Diabetes and Bird Flu among many others?

How much of a God is Allah who made 128,000 failed prophets and then Muhammad with a final message?

When God made his former and failed prophet, Jesus, capable of making water into wine, to feed multitudes with little bread and fish, why did his perfect messenger Muhammad have to pillage and loot for a living?

Why would God have to bribe his followers by promising them loot?


If Judaism and Christianity and Islam are from the same God, why did God prohibit pork eating for Jews and didn't prohibit it for Christians and then again prohibited it for Muslims?

Stoning adulterers to death also was not practiced by Christians and then again was practiced by Muslims. Did God change his mind twice?

Why didn't Allah include anything REALLY useful in the Quran, like how to grow crops in the desert, or how to desalinate sea water?


If the Quran is the last testament of God, why was it delivered only in a now dying form of arabic - a language only a small fraction of world, including native arabic speakers and muslim scholars, could speak?

Why did God make the Islamic holy day Friday, the Jewish holy day Saturday, and the Christian holy day Sunday?


If everything has been created by Allah, are Satan or the Jinn also his creations?

Comparing the Earth to the Universe is like comparing a drop of water to the Ocean. Humans live on this drop of Ocean (Universe). Why would Allah who has the power to create this universe, be so much worried about such a small thing like all humans worshipping him?

If nobody has seen Allah, its sex cannot be determined. Why do we still address it as a male?

If all non-believers go to hell, then everyone who died before the religion was revealed would end up in Hell. Why were they never given a chance?

How do you know that the angel Muhammad was talking to was from Allah and was not Satan himself?

If I am in heaven and ask for the power to create my own universe will I get it?


If I am in heaven and am not a native Arabic speaker, how will I understand my neighbors? Will there be a universal language in heaven?

Why did Allah make most of the Muslim countries the most corrupted and economically deprived?

Why would a God need angels to send his messages to someone?

If Allah is omnipresent does he exist in donkey's feces?

Early Islamic books (e.g. Sirat Rasool Ullah) mention that Angel Gabriel was sitting on a donkey. Would he be sitting in a BMW if he was supposed to send revelations today?


Quran says that everything a believer desires will be available to him in heaven. Does that include the wives of Muhammad and sex with Allah himself?

What will happen to transsexuals in heaven? Will they be given hoories?


Do you think Allah will send any child to hell, if it is non-Muslim or behaves badly?

Do you really think a merciful God and an eternal hell go along in the first place?

If Islam is the true religion why did Muhammad himself not get anywhere during his 10-12 years of preaching in Mecca?

Does a true religion need the help of a sword?

What is the use of Islam if Muslims do not even agree among each other how they should offer their daily prayers?

If our souls are not physical, how can we burn in hell?

If Allah knows everything, why did he make Quran so ambiguous? Did he just want Muslims to spend their spare time trying to figure out its meanings?


If Allah knows everything, why did he create Satan who one day will make him angry?

How can God become angry if he's perfect?

If Noah's flood was so big, where did all the water go?

We’ve gone to the Moon and didn't find the invisible rope. Why is that?

Where did Zoul-kar-Nain find Ya'gog and Ma'gog? We can't locate them using our GPS.

After death the infidels will be tortured by a bald snake. Is it the same snake from the Egyptian myths (Apep)? Why does Allah love to borrow from other cultures?

Does the wine in heaven contain alcohol? What is the alcohol percentage? I might become interested in Islam after all.
Are there bars and stuff in heaven or is it just rivers?
Can someone get a 130% alcohol drink in heaven? Or do physical laws apply in the supernatural heaven too?


Will Allah send birds to save Kaa'ba if infidels launch missiles towards Mecca? In fact Kaa'ba has been attacked twice after Islam. Why didn’t Allah send anything for those attacks?


Why doesn’t Allah just make an electromagnetic field around the Kaa'ba to protect it?


Why did Gabriel need a donkey to move?

Muhammad said that anyone who knows the 99 names of Allah will go to heaven. If a serial rapist and murderer knows the 99 names of Allah, will he go to heaven too?

Quran says the Earth is like a rug. No one has ever seen a spherical rug. Was it hard for Allah to use the word "Kurah" (arabic for spherical) before the word "Earth" like all Arabic texts do today? Perhaps Allah did not know that the Earth is spherical.

Quran says body parts will testify against us in judgment day. What if you have had a heart transplant and changed your heart with someone else’s heart? Whose heart or any other body part will testify for whom?

Why do Afghans live much shorter than Americans? Why does Allah give those infidel Americans more years to live than Afghans? Maybe that’s because Americans live in a healthier environment and society and death has nothing to do with Allah and Izrael and all that nonsense.

Fatimah married Ali when she was 12 and she died when she was 18. She gave birth to at least 5 children in these 6 years. That doesn't look so cool, does it? Even a camel would die living like that.
Can a prophet toss a dice and get 9?
Fatimah was born 5 years after Hijra. Muhammad married Khadijah when he was 25 and she was 40. Muhammad claimed prophet hood when he was 40, therefore Khadijah would have been 60 when she gave birth to Fatimah. Why do Muslims hide this amazing miracle? Or in other words who the hell's daughter was Fatimah?


Quran says faces will turn black if the person is a sinner, and the face will turn white if the person is not in (Quran 3:106 & 39:60). In the light of this, what will happen to black people? And isn't that racism?


If I’m in heaven and ask to have sex with one of Muhammad’s wives, will Allah grant my wish?

Why doesn't any one of many recent suicide bombers who are now in heaven, ask Allah for a PC and make an email address or make a website there to inform us of their present situation now that they are in the heaven, and send us photos about the good scenery of heaven and their 72 beautiful houris (or at least tell us that they really live in heaven)?

If Allah is loving, and knows our fate, then why does he have to put us through the "test" of life?

Would you rather eat poison (a small quantity which wont kill you) or a little bit of baked ham?

Is Allah the god of the Old Testament?

Muhammad said if you eat 7 dates every morning, no poison can harm you. Does that include protection against Anthrax, Arsenic and Cyanide?

Does Allah love pigs?

Which way would you face while praying inside the Kaaba?
Why does Allah 'test' us? Isn't he all-knowing?

"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Surah 5:101-102).

"The Holy Prophet himself forbade people to ask questions ...so do not try to probe into such things." (The Meaning of the Qur'an, Maududi, vol. III, pgs. 76-77)

"The prophet was asked about things which he did not like, and when the questioner insisted, the Prophet got angry. (vol. 1, no. 92) The Prophet got angry and his cheeks or his face became red. (vol. 1, no. 91) "Allah has hated you...[for] asking too many questions." (vol. 2, no. 555; and vol. 3, no. 591, Bukhari's Hadith commenting on Muhammad’s reaction to hostile questioners.)


 

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Islam is a violent arm of Satanism...worshiping a false deity they call God. The Most High says those who are His do as He says, yet Islam makes up its own rules using the name of a God.

 

Islam is an excuse to murder, plunder, rape and abuse others.

 Under Islam law, those who don't agree with their religion are to be killed. The Most High says "Thou Shalt Not Kill."

 

The Blunders and Contradictions in the Quran reveal it for the lie it is. When a person says, "God told me this" and then makes claims that are false, they are a false prophet. Muhammad says the earth is flat. Muhammad says a lot of things that are blatantly false, he was a false prophet.

 

Muhammad said himself he believed it was a Jinn (evil spirit) that spoke to him, yet the people made him a prophet.

 

Muhammad claims Hagar was Abraham's wife when she was never his wife.

The people claim the Bible foretold of Muhammad's coming as a prophet, yet the Bible clearly shows the prophet Moses foretold of was fulfilled in and through Jesus Christ

John 1:45, "We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth (Yahushua), the son of Joseph."

 

 

Can 1.3 billion people be wrong? Yes.
  by Sherry Shriner

Islam Lies

Islam..a Beast

They start accumulating in countries and then start terrorizing it with gangs of rapists, violence and civil disruption.

They are possessed, demon possessed. They seek to spread fear and violence, they are pawns of the devil who feeds off of the fear and suffering they create for power.

Just as their leader, Mohammad, they use "God" as an excuse to prey on innocent people. Mohammad was a robber and a thief, his followers are no different.

It is not the Most High God they serve, but Satan.

  Don't you think the Arabs make it hard for themselves to garner sympathy from the western civilized nations when all they do is preach the death and destruction of those very nations?

See the Koran Film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCrCsTMokTU&feature=related

   Their religion is one of hate, not love. The Talmudic Jews preach that anyone not a (Kazaar) Jew as they are should be killed. Should we let the two races alone to just go at it amongst themselves and kill each other off?

     Every religion thinks they are the only ones serving the true God and going to heaven. The Jews, the Moslems, the Catholics, the Protestants. God does not live in a book, He lives in the hearts of those who truly love and worship Him.  Religions are used to manipulate and control mankind to further political agendas.

     Get out of RELIGION and get into a RELATIONSHIP with the One true God. Ask HIM to teach you the truth in ALL things.

 

Read The Coming Arab Beast

There are 5 Beasts Coming: An Arab beast, an Aramean Beast, an Aryan Beast, a Black Beast, and a Female Beast.

 

      Muslim activists in the West have been using the tactic of claiming that they worship the same god as the Christians in order to gain legitimacy and acceptance. They have been using the name "God" in place of "Allah" in many translations of the Qur'an.

Muslims DO NOT pray to the same God (Yahweh/ Jehovah of Holy Scripture) of Christians and Jews!  Yahweh is transliterated from the Hebrew YHVH.

Before Muhammad the Arabs had 365 gods - one for each day of the year.  Muhammad picked Allah (the Arab moon god).

 

They claim the founder of Islam is a prophet named Muhammad...however Muhammad himself says he is not a prophet and has never personally heard from God...in fact Muhammad who heard voices thought himself it was from evil spirits....his wife encouraged him to change his mind and claim God had spoken to him...

      Muhammad was a pedophile, having sexual relations with a 6 year old and 9 year old girl.

   

  Muhammad performed no miracles, spoke no prophecies,
and died like all mortal men

 

Islam claims the Prophet Muhammad was foretold in the Torah and Bible:

The coming of Prophet Muhammad had been foretold in the Torah. God had said to Moses: "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put My words in his mouth; and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him" Deuteronomy 18:18

This was fulfilled in John 1:45, "We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."  Nope..not Muhammad! It was Jesus of Nazareth!

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There are more than 100 verses in the Qur'an (Koran) advocating the use of violence to spread Islam There are exactly 123 verses in the Qur'an about killing and fighting.

 
Qur'an 9:5, known as "the verse of the sword," declares, "Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem."

 The Koran was written 500 years after the Bible and Muhammad couldn't get his history straight? Who was talking to his head? Certainly wasn't the Most High God.

The Moslems consider the Qur’an as uncorrupted. Yet it's historical and scientific blunders are numerous..

Islam teaches that Hagar was Abraham's first wife..the Torah says Hagar was Sarah's handmaiden, or bondwoman.....Hagar was never Abraham's wife..she was a maid...a servant...who had a child for Abraham because Sarah was barren and couldn't conceive. Eventually Sarah did conceive and Hagar was cast into the desert with Ishmael her son. 

The Muslims misquote the Bible claiming the "freewoman" wife of Abraham was Hagar when it was Sarah. Hagar was the bondwoman, servant of Sarah. In other words, Sarah was Abraham's wife, Hagar was his mistress. When Isaac was born, Ishmael and Hagar were cast away from Abraham and sent into the desert away from him and Sarah.

Ishmael was promised to be a great nation, and today he is, but the blessings of Abraham and Yahweh's covenant went through Isaac and his seedline.      Biblically speaking, the land of Israel rightfully belongs to the Jews because God promised and gave the land to Abraham, the Father of the Jews, and renewed this promise or covenant to Abraham's son Isaac and to Isaac's son Jacob (later renamed Israel by God) who begat twelve sons from whom the twelve tribes of Israel was established as a nation as described in Genesis 12:1-3; 17:7,8 and 17:19-21.

 The state of Israel is a constant reminder to the world that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is alive and that one billion Arabs can't keep them from possessing their promised land.

Was Jesus the ONLY Begotten Son of God? Yes. "For God so loved the world that He gave HIS ONLY Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life - John 3:16...not through Muhammad, it was Jesus, Yahushua.

Did Jesus die on the cross? Yes. Matthew chapters 27&28 talk about his death and resurrection. Jesus defeated death when he arose from the grave 3 days later. Muhammad's tomb still holds his body, Jesus' does not! His tomb is empty!

Islam misquotes and teaches that Muhammad was prophesied..The Bible says,

   "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you" (John 14:26).  Not Muhammad..the Holy Ghost..Holy Spirit..

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (I Tim. 2:5).

 

The False Cult of Islam

 

    Blunders in the Koran...

The Koran teaches that the world is flat.  This doctrine is believed by Islamic scholars even today.  The   Bible revealed that the earth is round in Isaiah 40:22. "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth".  

 It is also  clear in the Qur'an that Muhammad and his Allah thought Moses lived at the time on Noah and that Jesus' mother Mary was Moses' and Aaron's sister.

If the Qur'an is a true miracle of God - why is it so filled  with historical, scientific and other errors, including simple math?  Wouldn't we expect an all-knowing Allah to be better student of history, science and math? Especially if he was getting his information straight from "God Himself"?

Muhammad had obviously heard some Bible stories, but he seems to have got them confused and mixed up when it came out in his prophetic utterances.  It is quite apparent that the Qu'ran is simply the product of hearsay and imperfect editing from a plurality of traditions then known to Muhammad.

 

Historical errors in the Qur'an:

The Historical, Scientific, simple mathematics and theological contradictions in the Qur'an are too numerous to list.  Remember, since Muhammad already proclaimed the Jewish Torah/Christian Old Testament  (Taurat) as correct in Qur'an  5:46/47 and 43:63 then the following gross errors that differ with the Torah are inexcusable.  These errors their selves scream out the Qur'an itself is entirely false.  Here are just a few:

In Sura 2:241 Muhammad confuses the persons of Saul and Gideon.

In Sura 2:55-60 the Israelites were said to be "a scanty band" vastly inferior to the Egyptians. But in Exodus 1:7-10 the Egyptian king said to his people that the Israelites had become "more and mightier than we".

The Koran confused the sister of Moses (Miriam) with Mary, the mother of Jesus.  In Hebrew, Miriam and Mary are the same names.  

How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur'an speaks about the annunciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21.  The Christian Bible clearly indicated one angel; "In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a town in Galilee called Nazareth," Luke 1:26

Muhammad taught that Mary the mother of Jesus was the sister of Aaron and Moses - who lived 1,500 years earlier.  

Do you remember the evil Persian Haman who conspired to kill all the Jews during the time of Esther in the Babylonian captivity.  In the Koran, Muhammad incorrectly taught that this wicked man Haman was the prime minister of the Egyptian Pharaoh.  Throughout the Quran--Nimrod and Abraham, Haman and Moses, Mary and Aaron, the tower of Babel and Pharaoh were all pictured as living and working together. Moses and the flood are also incorrectly found together.  Muhammad thought these all happened at the same time.

What about Noah's son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns.

Sura 7:136, 7:59 say Noah's flood took place in Moses' day.  Did anyone tell Moses that?

Sura 14:37, says Abraham lived in the valley of Mecca. The Bible says he lived in Hebron, Israel. (Genesis 13:18, 23:2, 35:27)

Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days.

Suras 21:51-71; 37:97,98, says that Abraham was thrown into a fire [by Nimrod]. Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time. Muhammad was always mixing people together in the Qur'an who did not live at the same time. The Bible tells us Nimrod lived many centuries before Abraham.

Sura 6:74, says Abraham (called millata-Ibrahim in the Qur'an) father's name was Azar. The Bible says it was Terah (Genesis 11:27).

Sura 12:21ff, says the man who bought Joseph was named Aziz. The Bible says it was Potiphar. 

Sura 37:100-112, says Abraham went to sacrifice Ishmael. The Bible says it was Issac.

Sura 5:73-75,116, Muhammad mistakenly thought the Christian Trinity was 3 gods: the Father, the Mother (Mary), and the Son (Jesus). 

Sura 28:8-9, says is was Pharaoh's wife who adopted Moses. The Bible says it was Pharaoh's daughter.

Sura 9:10, incorrectly says Zacharias could not speak for only three days.

Sura 20:87, 95, says the Jews made the golden calf in the wilderness at the suggestion of Samaritans. There were no Samaritans at that time.

 

Sura 18:85,86, says that Alexander the Great (Zul-qarinain) followed the setting sun and found that it went down into the waters of a muddy spring.   Sura 18:89-98 says Alexander the Great was a Muslim and worshipped Allah and lived to an old age.  Actually, Alexander the Great died very young and was by no means a Muslim. The Greek, Alexander the Great lived from 356 - 323 B.C. (Before Jesus).  He was 33 years old when he died. Muhammad and Islam did not come along till 610 A.D. (after Jesus), when Muhammad began preaching Allah and his new religion in Mecca.  This was over 900 years after Alexander the Great died. Yusuf Ali and the Concise Dictionary of Islam confirm that Zul-qarinain in the Quran is Alexander the Great.
 

The Qur'an also incorrectly says Abrah's army was defeated by birds dropping stones on them. History says Abrah's army withdrew after smallpox broke out.  It says; the Kabah was build by Adam and rebuilt by Abraham. It was built by pagans to worship a black rock that fell out of the sky. Abraham never lived in Mecca.

The Quran says that man was created from a clot of blood..the Torah says man was created from the dust of the ground.

"Read! In the name of your Lord Who Creates
Creates man from a clot of blood
Read! And your Lord is most generous
Teaches man that which he knew not" Quran 96:1-5

Other notable errors in the Qur'an:

More flip flops than John Kerry: The origin of calamity? Is the evil in our life from Satan [38:41], Ourselves [4:79], or Allah [4:78]?  Can slander of chaste women be forgiven? Yes [24:5], No [24:23].

Abrogation? "The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words." [Sura 6:115] Also see 6:34 and 10:64. But then Allah (Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for "better ones" [Sura 2:106, 16:101]. And it is not for ignorant people to question Allah because of such practices!

What is the punishment for adultery? Flogging with a 100 stripes (men and women) [Sura 24:2], "confine them to houses until death do claim them (lifelong house arrest - for the women) [Sura 4:15]. For men: "If they repent and amend, leave them alone" [Sura 4:16]. Sura 24:2 contradicts both the procedure for women and men in Sura 4. And why is the punishment for women and men equal in Sura 24 but different in Sura 4?

Didn't Allah have a Basic Education?

It just doesn't add up: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.

Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and ... are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [Sura 5:90, also Sura 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [Sura 47:15, also Suras 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?

Islam says that the prophecy in Bible has been fulfilled by the advent of Prophet Muhammad. Jesus says in the Bible, John 16:7 and 16:13:
"If I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart I will send him unto you . . .We will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak . . ."

The Comforter was the Holy Spirit, who did come..it was not Muhammad, another blunder in Islam...

 

Contrast these blunders in the Qur'an (Koran) showing this book is NOT INSPIRED by God with this example of something really divinely inspired and accurate from the Jewish/Christian Bible:

Islam Rejects Christ's Death on the Cross

Muslims have no hope of being saved - because nowhere in the Qur'an does Allah offer redemption.  Muhammad himself was unsure if he would ever be allowed into Heaven. 

Allah is not the God of the Jews or the Christians.  Allah is in fact a Meccan Moon god idol. To confess that Allah is the same God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Moses is to deny Jehovah God, who is revealed in the Lord Jesus the Christ!

Muslims even deny that Jesus died on the cross; something that was faithfully reported in 4 Gospels.    Consider the significance of the fact that no Jew or Roman alive at the time ever openly denied the Scriptural record of Jesus Christ's life, death, ministry or resurrection.

 The Qur'an Lies and Covers up the Crucifixion of Jesus by claiming it never happened..

According to the Qur’an, and to Muslim tradition, He was never crucified. There is a verse in the Qu’ran which says that “they have not crucified Him but it was likened unto Him.” In some of their traditions, they claim that it was Judas Iscariot who was crucified on the cross. Their argument is that God, who sent such a great rasool as Jesus the Son of Mary, would never allow him to die such a shameful death on the cross.

 

Qurán

Sure 4, 157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.";- But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Sure 4, 158. 158. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
Sure 4, 159. 159. And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-
Sure 5, 17. Sure 5 17. They disbelieved indeed those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and every one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things."

 


In short, this Allah is not the God of the Jews or the Christians.  Allah is in fact a Meccan Moon god idol. To confess that Allah is the same God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Moses is to deny Jehovah God, who is revealed in the Lord Jesus the Christ!

 

The Qur’an does not deny Passion Week. Supposedly, as Jesus was on his way to the cross, God tricked everyone by putting someone else in his place and by taking Jesus to heaven. In the final analysis, Muslims have a theological argument against the cross and not an historical one. They reason like this: First, God is almighty. Secondly, he sent Jesus into the world as a great revealer of His law and will. And since God would never allow his prophet to be crucified, therefore, Jesus was not crucified.

As Muhammad was persecuted there is nothing unusual about a prophet like Jesus being persecuted. Muhammad had to flee for his life. There is such a thing as the suffering of Muhammad and of the Muslim community that had recognized his mission as the Messenger of Allah. Some sought refuge in Ethiopia. And then, in 622, he and the rest of his followers migrated to Medina. That marked the beginning of the Islamic (lunar) calendar. So the idea of suffering is part and parcel of the early Muslim Umma. But the idea of complete defeat or failure of a divine messenger is unthinkable. The Jews have this problem also. How could they accept somebody who was crucified? So we have the Qur’anic account of Good Friday, where God rescues our Lord from death at the eleventh hour.

 Muslims come from a religious background that has always denied both the historicity and necessity of the cross. Their Holy Book tells them that this central event in the life of the Messiah did not take place, and that someone else was crucified. Allah rescued the Messiah and thwarted the evil plans of the Jews negating the entire New Testament of the Gospel.

 

 As some Muslims claim, some other person was crucified. In other words, when it comes to the heart of the Christian message, Muhammad put in his veto. And this has marked his followers for the last fourteen hundred years. Muslims still veto the cross, even though the rest of mankind, regardless of their religious commitment acknowledges the historicity of that event!

 

 God's Word is redemptive.  Where the Christian can see the Word of God consists of both law and gospel, the Muslim's concept is that the Word of God is purely and simply law.

 

Islam offers HELL and that is all

Allah Promised hell for his followers:
 Sura 3:185, "Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception."

This Suras from Quran very clearly says that after death everyone will go to hell fire then judgment.. When a person went to hell fire then how and why it is possible that he/she can come out from hell fire and go to paradise.. no way.. This verse does not say anything about eternal life. This verse very clearly says that every believer in Allah is tasting death means they did not get the life while Jesus promised eternal life and heaven as we read in

John 10:10 "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

And also every soul is going to hell fire till the day of judgment means they are not reaching heaven. So of course Allah promised hell fire for his believers.  There is no chance to go to heaven once you go to hell.  Jesus can save you when you are still in this world as He said in John 3:15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.


John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.


How a person can save himself/herself from hell fire when he/she is already in hell fire? And this verse says that they will be there till the time of Day of Judgment. Do you think a person who is already in hell  will get a seat in heaven after judgment? Judgment is a day when people get their sentence and verdict.. and there are no second chances to "make it to heaven" once you have been cast into hell.

And he claims all those who don't follow Islam are going to hell..so according to Muhammad, everyone is going to hell...

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Submission to Allah), Never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost."(Qur'an 3:85)

 

Allah promised hell fire for his followers 

 Jesus promised heaven for His followers.

Yet the Jihad martyrs are pumped up with grand illusions....

And what reward does Paradise bring to the jihad martyr? He is promised a palace of pearls in which are 70 mansions; inside each mansion are 70 houses and in each house a bed on which are 70 sheets and on each sheet a beautiful virgin. He is assured that he will have the appetite and strength of 100 men for food and sex.

This is the fantastic dream that is fed to Muslim boys from their childhoods.  Satan promised Jesus things similar to these and more, when he tempted Jesus in the desert.

To a Christian and any other true son or daughter of the true God, these things the Muslim hopes for are loathsome.  To a woman it has to be a hell... 

The only way to receive eternal life in heaven is through Yahushua the Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God

 

Allah Offers NO Redemption.  Your entire eternal existence is spending time in hell...

Muslims have no hope of being saved - because nowhere in the Qur'an does Allah offer redemption.  Muhammad himself was unsure if he would ever be allowed into Heaven. 

Islam allows no freedom and is actually cruel towards women. This alone should make them realize that it is Satan behind Islam who wishes to enslave Muslims to turn them away from the truth. 

This lie of and by Islam has been the cause that has led billions of Muslim souls into a religion with no hope of redemption - because they reject the only way to redemption that God promised - to those who believe what God did through His son Jesus (Yahushua) on a cross in Jerusalem. 

 

Muhammad himself was convinced that the "revelations" he received in the Hira Cave were evil, and from a demon (Jinn). 

 Muhammad's constant fits, foaming at the mouth and other manifestations certainly fit in with that idea. This is how demon possessed people are known to behave today, as they did in both the times of Jesus and Muhammad. The Hebrew prophets, and Jesus Christ never behaved like this. But all over the world where demons are listened to, you will find this kind of behavior.

Murder, rape, plunder and destruction are all perfectly fine with Allah - if done in the name of Islam

Koran (Qur'an) 8:67-68

 

Muhammad justified his crimes with divine revelation:

The details of all his criminal onslaughts in the form of battles and assassinations are chronicled in this article in a chronological manner. One should note that every time the 'Apostle of Peace' committed one of his criminal onslaughts, he always justified the crimes by quickly claiming a 'divine revelation' which conveniently removed the blame from his bloodied hands.

 

Muhammad was married to a 6 year old Jewish girl, while he was 51, and he had 11 wives

 

 Islamic fundamentalism promotes jihad (holy war), against those of other religious and political views.

 

In addition to good works, salvation is sought though observance of the Five Pillars: reciting “there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger,” praying five times per day, fasting, giving alms (donations to the poor), and a pilgrimage to Mecca.

 

The Arabic word Islam means “submission to the will of God” and a person who submits is called a Muslim. The Qur’an (or, Koran), the Torah, the Psalms of the Old Testament, and the Gospel of the New Testament are regarded as holy books. However, only the Qur’an is considered uncorrupted even though it was written 500 years after the Bible and is filled with historical and scientific blunders...

 

Islam rejects the Trinity doctrine, the deity of Christ and His Sonship, claiming that Jesus was only a great prophet. Muhammad is considered to be the greatest prophet, whose coming was allegedly predicted by Christ. Jesus told us The Holy Spirit was coming, the Spirit of God! Not Muhammad some fake, wannabe mortal human who couldn't even get his demonic channeling straight that the earth isn't flat!

 

Muhammad: Based on the teachings and life of Muhammad (570-632 AD) in Mecca and Medina, Saudi Arabia (then Persia). Islam is the second largest world religion, and has recently become the third largest religious body in America with over 6 million adherents. Muslim-based sects such as the Nation of Islam (which appeals especially to African-Americans) and Bahá’í (which proclaims the unity of the human race) have special appeal to many Americans. Islam is composed of two major divisions — the mainstream Sunni (the largest) and the more radical Shi’ites.

Will all Muslims go to Hell? According to Sura 19:71 every Muslim will go to Hell (for at least some time), while another passage states that those who die in Jihad will go to Paradise immediately. 

A symptom of evil (bait and switch).  Except for Allah saying he loved the Jew/Hebrew Moses (in 20:39)  there is not one mention of Allah unconditionally loving man in the Qur'an (Koran); or providing a route to salvation.  Can you be sure your time in Hell will not be an eternity?  If you do not do Allah's bidding by doing terrorist acts -- what future awaits you as a Muslim?   God already provided a simple plan to salvation; and it is the true path of Peace.  Muslims often say they honor Jesus as a great prophet.  If they truly honored Jesus Muslims would believe what He (Jesus) said; "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16 

 
 

The Qurash (aka: Quraish) tribe which Muhammad belonged to was in charge of idol worship at the Ka'ba Shrine.  The chief god of Muhammad's tribe was one of the three sister goddesses called al-Uzza, the youngest of the three daughters of the pre-Islamic Allah and the patron goddess of Mecca.  Her name means "the mighty one".  The other two were named "al-Lat and "al-Manat".  It was only by chance that a fortune teller counseled Muhammad's grandfather against sacrificing Muhammad's father to this al-Uzza pagan diety.  The head of these pagan deities was "Al-llah".  It is believed that "al-llah" in Muhammad's time before Islam referred to a vague moon god and that Muhammad believed that al-Uzza was a daughter of this "al-llah".  

The Qurash tribe's Allah corresponded to the god Bel, which is another name of the Assyrio-Babylonian gods En-lil and Marduk. It has the same meaning as Baal.  The Arabic today translates the word Allah as "God".  Muhammad's father's name was "Abd-Allah" (or slave of Allah).   When Muhammad says there is only one god - Allah - now you have an idea what his background/ thinking was.  

 

 

Renounce Islam and Accept Yahushua as your Saviour

Islam is a wide path to hell..it is false doctrine

 

Photo: this poor frightened woman is buried up to her waist in preparation for her stoning to death.  All a muslim man has to do is lie and a woman is found guilty and murdered under Islam. In Islam, there is no justice for women. Does that sound like a fair God to you? It isn't God, Allah is nothing but a jinn/demon mansquerading as a god.
 

Here is a real example of what the Muslim head "stoner" says to begin the ghastly "festivities:

"We have all gathered here to implement divine punishments. Oh, Almighty, we plead with you to give victory to Islam and Muslims."

Here is what Jesus said:

According to the Gospel of John, the Jewish Priests (Pharisees), in an attempt to discredit Jesus, brought a woman charged with adultery before him. The Pharisees reminded Jesus that adultery was punishable by stoning under Law of Moses and challenged Jesus to judge the woman so that they might then accuse him of disobeying the law. Jesus thought for a moment and then replied, “He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her.” The people crowded around him were so touched by their own consciences that they departed. When Jesus found himself alone with the woman, he asked her who were her accusers. She replied, “No man, lord.” Jesus then said, “Neither do I condemn thee: go and sin no more.”

Muhammad said..

".. take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that you may learn wisdom." (Quran 6:151)

Yet by his own example he was a plunderer and murderer, and   promotes murder and Jihad for those who don't agree with him..

Jesus, the Son of God, said to love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you............

 

When Muhammad started preaching his new religion in Mecca he was conciliatory and appeasing to Christians. He told them: "We believe in What has been sent down to us and sent down to you, our God is the same as your God." Surah 29:46.  Compare this with what happened later, in Medina, after Muhammad gained strength and Christians refused to follow Muhammad's Allah.  Allah then tells him to "Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day...Nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam), (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay Jizya (tribute tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued". Surah 9:29

The Koran was written 500 years after the Christian Bible was completed

 

 Muhammad is one of those false prophets who would deceive many (hundreds of millions) that Jesus warned us about.  

According to many interpretations of the Qur'an (aka: Koran), conversion to a faith other than Islam is punishable by death, in the Koran he says his god is the same of Jews, yet then changes and says anyone who doesn't worship in Islam is punishable by death. Threat of force to worship? Who's your god Muhammad?  The Most High God gives man Free Will.

Islamic Satanic Lies

Islam is built on subtle lies which have been concocted by evil men in order to maintain cohesion and discipline within their robber band.  Islam is the only religion that says that Jesus did not die on the cross.  Islam denies this historical fact about Jesus which therefore negates the salvation given us by the Son of God's painful death and miraculous resurrection from the dead.  Even the Jewish Sanhedrin (High Religious Court) in Jerusalem admits Jesus died there.   In addition to the writers of the 4-Gospels, the Jewish Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 43a) from the Tannaitic Period recorded: "On the eve of Passover Yeshu was hanged".... This means on a wooden cross.

"Allah" was an old pagan tribal "moon god"

Tthe name of the true God is not Allah, but Jehovah (Yahweh)....

Moslems are deceived into thinking Allah means "submission to God" when they are really worshipping  a moon god..remember Lucifer deceived 1/3 of the angels in his rebellion against God. In Islam, Lucifer is deceiving 1.3 billion people!

1 John 2: 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?  He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


Christians were told in the Bible to be on-guard and that the Antichrist will not only just be a man who appears shortly before the Lord Jesus, but also a movement which denies that Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God. 

More than 1.3 Billion human beings confess Islam, the religion Muhammad founded. There is no more militant movement on earth equal to Islam.  No religion teaches hatred more than Islam.  Jesus said; "many false prophets will rise up and deceive man." 

 Around 85 per cent of Muslims belong to the majority Sunni sect. The minority Shi’a Most Muslims are not concentrated in Iran and Iraq.

 Less than 20 per cent of Muslims are Arabs. Almost half of the world’s Muslims live in South and Southeast Asia.2

World’s most Muslim nations
The populations of the following countries are almost entirely Muslim. That is, about 99.5% or more of the native populations, and nearly all of the foreign workers, are Muslim.

Bahrain
Comoros
Kuwait
Maldives
Mauritania
Mayotte
Morocco
Oman
Qatar
Somalia
Saudi Arabia
Tunisia
United Arab Emirates
Western Sahara
Yemen


 

Largest national Muslim populations3
Country
Number of Muslims
Indonesia
170,310,000
Pakistan
136,000,000
Bangladesh
106,050,000
India
103,000,000
Turkey
62,410,000
Iran
60,790,000
Egypt
53,730,000
Nigeria
47,720,000
China
37,108,000

http://www.newint.org/issue345/facts.htm

 

There is no Salvation in Islam

Muslims claim that Mohammed and angel Gabriel is the Holy Spirit but  Holy Spirit is neither Mohammed nor angel Gabriel. The Holy Spirit is not human but the spirit of God Himself.   It is called Ruwach in Hebrew and Pneuma in Greek.  I took the definition of these two words from lexicon

Definition: wind, breath, mind, spirit, Spirit of God, the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son

We can see that the Holy Spirit is not human and so Mohammed cannot be the Holy Spirit and the angel Gabriel also cannot be the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God.  An Angel is an angel, an angel cannot be the Spirit of God.

And more than that when Jesus was about to leave this world He said to His disciples, John 16:13-14, "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.   He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you."

Again Jesus said in John 14:16-17,  "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever; "the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

Jesus promised to send "Spirit of Truth" who will abide with us always.  Mohammed is not the Spirit of Truth because he is dead and gone but Spirit of Truth (Holy Spirit) is still alive and comes and dwells in us when we invite Him in our lives.

Yes, His promises are not changing but when we come to Quran we see that the promises are changed.  Quran denies the death of Messiah on the cross and that is why there is no salvation in Islam.  And that is the reason why Allah promised hell fire and then Judgment to his followers.  Quran denies the promise of Holy Spirit made by Jesus and hence they reject the comforter who was sent by Jesus to be with us always and to lead us in whole Truth. So again it proves that Allah is not the god of the Bible.
 

There are 66 Books in the Bible..

 The Word of God consists of the 39 books of the Old Testament and the 27 books of the New Testament.

There is only one gospel and that it is found throughout the entire Bible. Both old and new Testaments are part of the entire Gospel. Not just the Old Testament and the book of Psalms. The Moslems ignore and don't teach the New Testament part of the Bible because it contains the Most HIgh God's fulfillment and redemption of man and sin.

Muslims are taught that man is not really sinful in the Biblical sense of the word, and thus needs no redemption.

In fact, Muslims are not aware of any writings in the Old Testament other than the Torah of Moses and the Zaboor (Psalms) of David. They are surprised to discover other books exist such as the four Gospels in the New Testament and the Book of Revelation by John. They are not told that the Bible consists of 66 books.

Muslims don't understand that Christianity is a redemptive religion. This is the most distinctive feature of our faith. When Jesus was born, this is how the angels announced His birth: “Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; He is Christ the Lord.” (Luke 2:11)

Jesus was more than a mere Prophet...He was the Son of God. His grave is empty...

You can visit Muhammad's...

 

For example, when the angel appeared to Joseph he explained the meaning of the name to be given to the child. Referring to the Virgin Mary, the angel said: “She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” Matthew 1:21. Matthew went on commenting on the birth of the Messiah with this quotation from the Old Testament: “All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: ‘The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel’ which means, ‘God with us.’” Matthew 1:22

The only way to receive eternal life in heaven is through Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God

Islam hides the Lord's redemptive work on the cross...

The gospel is the good news of what God decided to do concerning the redemption of man, and how it became an accomplished fact through the incarnation of the Son of God, His suffering, His vicarious death and His glorious resurrection.

Right away you must deal with the Muslim’s misunderstanding of the gospel. They think that it was a book descended from heaven on the Messiah. He simply received and was commissioned to preach it to the children of Israel. That was, according to the Qu’ran, the mission of the Messiah. There is no word at all about redemption!

 

In the Islamic concept of the Injeel, it is a book that the Messiah received from God. But we must insist that the gospel is not primarily a book, neither are its contents nothing but law. The Injeel is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes. There was a point in time, i.e., during the First-Century A.D., when the only Bible in existence was the Old Testament. The common version was the Greek translation done in Alexandria, Egypt and known as the Septuagint. So when the Apostles and their assistants proclaimed the good news in the Mediterranean world, the New Testament, as we now know it, had not yet existed. Its various parts were circulating and preserved by the Church. Thus, early in the Second-Century, the canon of the New Testament was being established and its twenty-seven books preserved in various sections of the early Church.  

The gospel is a dynamic message from God. It is a message of salvation. The good news of God is found throughout the Bible.  If the gospel were a book of law, as they think it is, then it would be a legalistic document, incapable of communicating the way of salvation.

 

The Biblical gospel was a promise during the Old Testament times, but it became a reality when Jesus Christ came to our world, died for our sins, and was raised on the third day. As one theologian stated, the gospel is not just that Christ died, but that Christ died for our sins. In other words, it refers to the historical fact of the death of Christ, his resurrection, and God’s interpretation of these facts. People become righteous in the sight of God when they believe this gospel, and certainly not other pseudo-gospels.

 

According to Islam, man does not need a Savior, because man is simply a weak creature. What he needs is to know the will of Allah so that by doing it, he may please God. To put it in Christian terms, Muslims believe that the revelation of God’s will is adequate to save man. To them, man suffers from ignorance. It is not the righteousness of God that he needs, but simply to know the will of God. Through this enlightenment, man is enabled to fulfill all the requirements of the divine will. This is the major difference between Islam and Biblical Christianity.

In Islam man sins, but he is not sinful. He commits many sins and transgressions, but he is not sinful in the sense of having inherited a powerful inclination or propensity to sin. To the Muslim (as well as the Jew) man’s nature is inherently good. Man is basically decent. He simply misses the mark, because he does not know the will of Allah. Supply him with that knowledge, and he will be able to keep the Law and please his Creator!

Muslims have been immunized against the acceptance of the Biblical doctrine of salvation throughout a 1400-year religious culture that teaches the inherent goodness of man. It is not easy for them to acknowledge the wickedness or the sinfulness of man. Even though many examples from Islamic history point to the evil nature of man, they continue to deny the necessity for Divine redemption. Neither Muslims nor Jews are willing to accept the basic teaching of Biblical Christianity, that man is totally fallen. Every aspect of his personality has been polluted by sin: the mind, the will and the emotions. In Reformed theology this is called Total Depravity. And this is the burden of the second part of the first chapter of Romans.

Why are the Gospels Hid from Moslems?

The most important part of the first chapter of Matthew is the wonderful message that accompanied the birth of the Messiah. He was heralded as the Savior of his people. The angel said: “She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” Matthew 1:21

 

the Muslim concept of sin is totally different from the Biblical one. As far as a Muslim is concerned, sins are simply mistakes, transgressions that flow out of the weakness of man. He can atone for them by believing in the message of Muhammad and by practicing good deeds, as required by the shari'a, law. Not so, according to the New Testament. Jesus is the Savior of his people from their sins.

 

All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel – which means, "God with us.”
Matthew 1:22,23

When translated literally Immanuel may be rendered: with us God. It is interesting to note that in the Greek New Testament, this happens to be the emphasis. Immanuel refers to the incarnation of the Son of God. In Christ, God has taken our side, and declared his solidarity with us! Certainly this revealed truth is beyond our imagination. Now the deep spiritual hunger of human beings; whether they are Jews or Muslims, Marxist or heathen, can only be satisfied by Immanuel, the God who is with us. In Christ, God has become our Redeemer.

 

John the Baptist is known in the Qu’ran under the name of Yahya; however, his mission is not properly described. Nowhere do we even hear a faint echo of the authentic preaching of the Baptist. So, we may not take for granted that Muslims realize that the son of Zechariah called people to look for the Messiah, and introduced him as the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.

I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering the wheat into his barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Matthew 3:11,12

 

Jesus' Baptism 

When we come to the baptism of Jesus, we have a revelation of the three Persons of the Trinity. This is a stumbling block to Muslims. We do need to have a clear understanding of what happened.

Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
Matthew 3:13-15

Here we have a manifestation of the meaning of the second name of Jesus as revealed in the opening words of Matthew. Immanuel–God with us. God in Christ is so identified with us that, sinless as he was, yet he went through baptism. This was a sign of his total identification with his people.

As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
Matthew 3: 16, 17

  The Son was being baptized as the incarnate Son of God. He was visible. The Holy Spirit was revealed, “The Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him,” and “a voice from heaven,” the voice of God, the Father was heard saying: “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (I Tim. 2:5).

 The Messiah can never be understood as a mere prophet, but as a Person who was both divine and human. This is the truth of the Gospel, to reveal Jesus as the Son of God who came down to earth to bring about our redemption, and that is why Moslems are lied to about the real message of the Bible.

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 The Qur’an claims that the devil fell because he refused to worship Adam. And to make the account more bizarre, it attributes the command to worship Adam to Allah himself! Even though Islam teaches emphatically the oneness of God and the absolute duty to worship him alone, yet it has to live with this strange account of the fall of Ibliss (the Arabic name for the devil!)

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 Man cannot please God by his own efforts.  We need his power, through the Holy Spirit, to even approximate the goals of the Sermon on the Mount. In fact anyone who reads the Sermon on the Mount carefully will find that it shows the total inability of man to live according to the law of God. We are sinners, redeemed by the Most High God through His Son Jesus through his death and resurrection for those who believe.

 Nor can we bring about His kingdom on earth or the millennium through our own efforts! In the Sermon on the Mount our Lord was not giving us a higher or superior law that we would practice to bring about a perfect world order. 

 Muslims  say, “You adhere to the religion that was evolved by Paul, but the real Jesus is the Qur’anic Jesus.”  Unfortunately there are those who follow Paul more than Jesus, but that doesn't negate the message and work of Jesus Himself, but it  fulfills HIS prophecy that there would be one who come in his  OWN NAME and would be accepted as being from Him.  

  The Gospel according to Matthew shows our Lord not only as Savior, but also as King. This Gospel is referred to as the Gospel of the Kingdom.  The Lord expects our righteousness to exceed that of the Pharisees, not in order that we may be saved, but because we are saved.

 

And even though Islam is a legalistic religion, Muslims do not seem to have a clear knowledge of the demands of the Law of God. The Ten Commandments of the Tawrat are nowhere to be found in the Qur’an.

 

Bearing in mind that the Muslim regards the Law as savior...yet they aren't sure what that "law" is...

 

 There is only one Mediator between God and Man and that is Yahushua/Jesus Christ

 

  • Muslims murder 3,000 innocents in New York and expect no criticism.
  • Muslims murder 202 tourists in Bali and expect no criticism.
  • Muslims murder 333 schoolchildren and their teachers in Beslan and expect no criticism.
  • Muslims murder 292 innocents, mainly Kenyans and Tanzanians at two US Embassies and expect no criticism.
  • Muslims murder 241 US and 58 French peacekeepers in Beirut and expect no criticism.
  • Muslims fire 4,000 Katyusha rockets into Northern Israel killing over 50 innocent civilians and expect no criticism.
  • Muslims murder 52 in London and 191 in Madrid and expect no criticism.
  • Muslims murder 200 in Mumbai and expect no criticism.
  • Muslims behead Western hostages in Iraq, Buddhist monks in Thailand and Christian schoolgirls in Indonesia and expect no criticism.
  • Muslims murder 500,000 in Darfur and expect no criticism.
  • Muslims regard Jews as "sons of pigs and monkeys", and vow to nuke Israel and expect no criticism.
  • Muslims force women to wear hideous sacks, stone women to death for getting raped and for leaving the home unescorted, engage in honor killings of sisters and daughters for unapproved dating, and expect no criticism.
  • Muslims danced in the streets and handed out sweets to their kids to celebrate the 9/11 atrocity, and still expected no criticism.
  • Since 9/11 Muslims have killed over 26,000 and wounded over 50,000 in terrorist attacks worldwide - and expect no criticism.
  • Since 9/11 Muslims have committed terrorist attacks in Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Belgium, Chad, Chechnya, Dagestan, Denmark, East Timor, Egypt, England, Eritrea, Ethiopia, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Ingushetia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Jordan-Iraq, Kabardino-Balkans, Kenya, Kosovo, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Mauritania, Morocco, Netherlands, Nigeria, Pakistan, Gaza-Palestinian Authority, Philippines, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Scotland, Somalia, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Syria, Tajikistan, Thailand, Tunisia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, United Arab Republic, United States, Uzbekistan and Yemen, and still expect no criticism.
  • Muslims have carried out over 5,800 fatal terrorist atrocities since 9/11, and countless thousands since Islamic conquest began in 623 AD and expect no criticism.

AND THEY EXPECT US TO RESPECT THEM AND THEIR TWISTED RELIGION ENOUGH TO CONVERT!

 It is NOT a Loving God that runs this religion, but Satan himself!

 Islam is nothing but an excuse for a well organized boys club to pillage, rape, lie, and steal in the name and excuse of religion.

 

 

IRAN HANGS 16-YEAR OLD GIRL



Under Islamic law
females are executed for adultery/premarital sex.
Males are not. ?? Does Allah show favoritism? The Most High God does not!

 The 16 year old girl  told the religious judge, Haji Rezaii, a fundamentalist Muslim cleric, that he should punish the main perpetrators of moral corruption, rather than punish the victims. She took off her headscarf and insisted that she was the victim of an older man's advances. But, her courageous defence angered the judge, who also severely criticised her dress by harshly reprimanding her. The judge then sentenced her to death.

The Arab culture is an excuse to demonize and dehumanize women and young girls! Get away from Islam! It is Lucifer's weapon against women, he hates women because a woman gave birth to Yahushua the Messiah, the real Son of God! Wake up Muslims! Your religion is hell and is leading you to hell! There is eternal life in heaven with Jesus/Yahushua not Allah and Satanic Islam!

 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, the world knew him not. He came unto His own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave He power to become the Sons of God, even to them that believe on His Name. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory), the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:10,11,12,14

 

The only way to receive eternal life in heaven is through Yahushua, the Only Begotten Son of God

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (I Tim. 2:5).

 

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JESUS IN THE QUR'AN AND THE BIBLE
A reply to Dr. Jamal Badawi

By Samuel Green

This article examines the teaching of Dr. Jamal Badawi in his leaflet called, Jesus In The Qur'an and The Bible. In order for a person to teach from the Qur'an or the Bible they should be well educated in both of these books. Dr. Badawi may have knowledge of the Qur'an but he has little understanding of the Bible. Therefore his teaching from the Bible is mistaken and misleading. I invite you to look at the claims that Dr. Badawi makes about the Bible and decide for yourself whether or not he is telling the truth.

On page 3 of his leaflet Dr. Badawi summaries his understanding of the Bible. He makes the following claims about what the Bible teaches:

  1. No basis in the Old Testament for Trinity or "God-incarnate".
  2. No conclusive uncontradicted statement by Jesus in the New Testament claiming to be God.

Let us now consider what the Old and New Testament teach and see if what Dr. Badawi says is true.

THE OLD TESTAMENT AND GOD-INCARNATE

Dr. Badawi claims there is no basis for God-incarnate in the Old Testament. Let us look at three Old Testament verses to consider if what Dr. Badawi says is true.

1. Isaiah was a prophet around 700 years before Jesus. The prophesy of Isaiah is in the Old Testament. Isaiah was given this revelation concerning the future Messiah:

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called "Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6 RSV)

This verse clearly says that the Messiah will be called Mighty God. Thus Dr. Badawi is wrong to say the Old Testament has no concept of God-incarnate for the Messiah, who is human, is also said to be Mighty God.

2. Micah was a prophet around 700 years before Jesus. Micah was given the following revelation concerning the future Messiah:

But as for you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah ... from you One will go forth for Me to be ruler of Israel. His going forth are from long ago, from the days of eternity. (Micah 5:2 NASB)

In this revelation we are told by God that his Messiah/ruler is to come from the small town of Bethlehem. However we are also told something else very special about the Messiah, we are told that he is, "from the days of eternity". Think about this phrase. Who is the one who is "from the days of eternity"? Surely only God is "from the days of eternity". If this is true then the Messiah must be divine. What other conclusion can we draw from this scripture? Thus Micah confirms the prophesy of Isaiah, that the Messiah will be both divine and human.

3. Finally we listen to the prophet Daniel. He was given a vision by God concerning the future Messiah. This vision came to him around 550 years before Jesus.

I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom is one that shall never be destroyed. (Daniel 7:13-14 RSV)

In this vision God showed Daniel (and us) two important things about the Messiah (the son of man)

  1. The Messiah is human. We learn this because he is called "a son of man".
  2. The Messiah receives the glory and honour of God. We learn this by the fact that he Messiah is given dominion and glory and all peoples now serve him. This type of glory and honour is only due to God but here we see that it is given to a man. How can the honour that is due to God be given to a man? Isaiah and Micah have already told us - it is because the Messiah is divine.

Together we have now listened to what God has revealed through three Old Testament prophets. What is clear is that the idea of God-incarnate has been revealed in the Old Testament. Dr. Badawi claimed there was no basis for God-incarnate in the Old Testament; he is clearly wrong.

THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THE TRINITY

Dr. Badawi also claims that there is no basis for the Trinity in the Old Testament, but the Old Testament does provide a basis in at least three ways.

1. In the Old Testament God teaches that he progressively reveals more about himself with each new revelation he gives. Thus Moses had a greater revelation of the nature of God than the prophets who were before him:

And God said to Moses, "I am the LORD. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD (YHWH) I did not make myself known to them." (Exodus 6:2-3 RSV)

We see in the above verses that God revealed more of his name (character) to Moses than he did to the prophets who were before Moses. Thus the Old Testament teaches that God progressively reveals himself to us, and this does provide a basis for the Trinity for the Trinity is the full revelation of God. The Trinity is the end-point of God revealing himself to us.

2. The second way that the Old Testament provides a basis for the Trinity is that it establishs the importance of the word of God. There is much that could be said about the word of God. Here is just a brief summary.

God created all things by his word. Genesis chapter 1 is the classic revelation of this. In this chapter we see that God speaks and creation comes into being. And so we see that his word is powerful and by it all things are created.

God's word is not created. Again Genesis 1 shows us this. God does not create his word rather his word issues forth from him.

God's word perfectly represents him. All people tell lies and so our word does not perfectly represent us for when we lie our word says something that we are not. But this is not the case with God. God is truthful and his word is the perfect representation of him. This is why the Bible condemns idols as a way of worshipping God for an idol does not represent God; it represents the work of a man. However the word of God prefectly represents God, and so we look to the word of God to see the God we worship.

God relates to his people by his word. Throughout the Bible we see that God speaks to his people and gives them his word so that they may know who he is and how he wants them to live.

God's word is exalted above all things. "I will bow down towards your holy temple, and give thanks to your name for your lovingkindness and your truth; for you have magnified your word according to all your name." (Psalm 138:2 NASB).

The word is an incarnation. God wrote the Bible through his prophets. He said of his prophet, "I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command." (Deut 18:18) So we see that scripture is divine, that is, it is God's own word not just the word of a prophet or man. Now consider the nature of this word in scripture: though it is divine it is spoken by men who are created; though it is divine it is written on paper that is also created. And so we see that God's divine word has become part of this creation. Scripture is the incarnation of the divine word of God. In fact anyone who believes that their scripture is the word of God already believes in the concept of incarnation.

God is immanent by his word. God is transcendent, that is, seperate and different to his creation. However God sustains creation and keeps it going; creation is totally dependant upon God. How does the transcendent God who is seperate from creation keep it going? How does he interact with it? The answer is by his word. By his word God created and by his word he sustains this universe. It is by his word that the transcendent God is immanent in creation.

The above Old Testament teaching about the word of God gives us the foundation to understand to person of Jesus because Jesus is the Word of God.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. ... The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. (John 1:1-2, 14)

And his (Jesus') name is the Word of God. (Revelation 19:13)

Therefore all that was said in the Old Testament about the word of God now applies to Jesus. Thus it is through Jesus that God created all things, and he is uncreated since he is God's word, and it is Jesus who perfectly represents God, and it is through Jesus that God relates to his people, and it is Jesus who has been exalted above all things. All this is because Jesus is the Word of God; he is the greatest incarnation that God has ever given.

Jesus being the Word of God is an integral part of the doctrine of the Trinity. For Dr. Badawi to say that the Old Testament does not provide a basis for the Trinity just shows that he does not understand the very basic teaching of the Old Testament about the word of God.

3. The third way in which the Old Testament provides a basis for the Trinity is that it teaches us three important facts about the nature of God. These three facts make the Trinity logical. Let us now consider what these facts are.

Fact 1. God is more complex and sophisticated than us. This may sound obvious but it is a fact we tend to forget. God is the creator of all things; he sustains all things and all things work according to his purpose. God is greater than you; God is more complex and sophisticated than you are. Therefore the nature of God is more complex than that of a man. This means that we must not limit God and assume that he has a simple nature like us; you cannot use yourself and your own experience of life to determine what the personal nature of God is like.

Fact 2. God is relational. By this I mean that God is not an impersonal force like electricity which has no feeling or mind, rather he is a God who loves, is faithful, compassionate, is angered by sin, and desires justice. He is a God who knows and can be known. This is what I mean when I say God is relational.

Fact 3. God is self-sufficient in everything. By this I mean that God is not dependant upon anybody for anything. God does not need anyone to help him in anyway he is completely self-sufficient for all things. God is the one who made all creation; creation did not make him. God is the one who gives life to creation; creation does not give life to God. This also means that God is completely self-sufficient with regards to his relational nature, eg. his abilitly to love. Think about this, God did not make us because he needed to related to someone; he is self-sufficient in everything including his relational aspect.

Now these facts are just the general teaching about God from the Old Testament and most believers will agree with them without any dispute. However these basic facts about God also provide the logic of the Trinity; they make the Trinity logical. Please consider the logical implications from the above three facts.

If God is relational and self-sufficient then he must be self-sufficient in the relational aspect of his being. That is, God did not have to create us so as to express his relational attributes (love, faithfulness, etc.), if he did then he would not be self-sufficient because he would depend upon us in order to express his relational attributes. No, God is self-sufficient in all things including his relational attributes, this means that God's relational attributes function within himself because he is self-sufficient. That is, God relates within himself. The very nature of God is a relationship - an eternal relationship. Thus when God fully reveals himself what we see is this eternal relationship - Father, Son, and Spirit. This is not mysterious or illogical but consistent for a relational, self-sufficient God. This is more complex than the nature of a human but we are not self-sufficient. God is more complex and sophisticated than us.

THE NEW TESTAMENT - THE STATEMENTS OF JESUS

Dr. Badawi claims that there is no statement in the New Testament by Jesus that he is God. Is what Dr. Badawi teaches true? Consider the following Scriptures:

1. Over 700 years before Jesus came God said through the prophet Isaiah:

Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: "I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god." (Isaiah 44:6 RSV)

Here we clearly see that God calls himself, "the first and the last". Now consider the words of Jesus from the New Testament:

Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one; I died, and behold I am alive for evermore. (Revelation 1:17-18 and 22:12-13 RSV)

Jesus refers to himself with the exact same title that is used of God! What is Jesus saying about himself? Consider another example where Jesus calls himself by a name of God.

2. When God revealed himself to Moses, Moses asked God to tell him his name. God replied to Moses with the following words:

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And he said, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'" (Exodus 3:14 RSV)

So we see that one of the names of God is "I am". When we read the New Testament we see that Jesus also calls himself by this name:

(Jesus said) "Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was glad". The Jews then said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am." So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple. (John 8:56-59 RSV)

3. In the Gospel it is recorded that one of Jesus' disciples asked him to show them God. Jesus replied that he did not have to because if they have seen him then they have seen God.

Phillip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Phillip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say show us the father?" (John 14:8-9)

4. Finally, the Bible strictly forbids the worship of anyone other than God. This can be seen by looking at the following events recorded in the New Testament. The first of these tells us about the Apostle Peter and how he stopped a man from worshipping him:

When Peter entered, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. But Peter lifted him up, saying, "Stand up; I too am a man." (Acts 10:25-26 RSV)

In fact the Bible says that even if a person has just received a revelation from an angel they still must not worship the angel:

And the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb." And he said to me, "These are true words of God." Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, "You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus. Worship God." (Revelation 19:9-10 RSV)

Therefore the Bible is clear that we must not worship men or angels but only God. However, when the Apostle Thomas worshipped Jesus as God, Jesus did not rebuke him for blasphemy, rather Jesus accepted what Thomas said:

Eight days later, his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. The doors were shut, but Jesus came and stood among them, and said, "Peace be with you." Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side; do not be faithless, but believing." Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe." (John 20:26-29 RSV)

CONCLUSION

Jamal Badawi does not know enough of the Bible to act as a teacher of it. What he says of the Old and New Testament is false. I ask you not to believe Badwai or even myself but please look at the scripture for yourself and listen to God.


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A Series of Answers to Common Questions

Sam Shamoun


Question:

Jesus says that the Father is greater than he is, proving that he is not God. There is no one who is greater than God.

Answer:

Here is the passage in question:

"You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you ' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater (meizon) than I." John 14:28

Since the questioner (a Muslim) assumes Unitarianism (that God is one in being and in Person), it obviously doesn't make sense for God to speak of someone being greater than himself. Yet, if God is a Trinity, a Trinitarian Being (i.e. one eternal God existing in three distinct, yet inseparable Persons), then it is quite possible for one member or Person of the Godhead to be greater in some sense than the other members. It would be true that nothing outside of the Holy Trinity's own existence could ever be greater, but this doesn't necessarily imply that there cannot be some type of authority structure or ranking within the internal life and relationships of the Trinity itself. Lord Jesus permitting, we will develop this point more in a future article.

For now, let us deal with what Jesus intended to convey to his disciples that the Father was greater than he. In the first place, the term for "greater" (Greek - meizon) does not necessarily imply one who is greater in nature or essence. It can refer to someone or something being greater in position and/or authority, just as the following passages show:

"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater (meizon) than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." Matthew 11:11

John being greater than all those born of women does not imply that the rest were less human than John, or that they were inferior to John in nature. Here, the term must mean that John was greater in position and rank.

"Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater (meizon) than his master, nor is one who is sent greater (meizon) than the one who sent him." John 13:16

Both the slave and the one sent are just as human as the master and the sender, having the same human essence and nature that the master and sender have. Thus, greater here must mean in position and authority, not in essence and nature.

"I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater (meizona) things than these, because I am going to the Father." John 14:12

Jesus' disciples did not perform better works, but performed a greater number of works than Christ since they reached far more people than Jesus did while he was on earth. Hence, the term "greater" refers to quantity, the amount of works, as opposed to quality since the disciples performed the same type of works but in far greater number.

The preceding data shows that the word meizon can either mean, depending upon the context, greater in nature, position, or even both. Thus, the only way we can know for certain what Jesus meant by saying that the Father was greater than him is by reading his statement in its immediate context. A careful look at the entire chapter of 14 shows the Lord Jesus claiming to have all of God's omni-attributes:

"And I WILL DO whatever you ask IN MY NAME, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask ME for anything in my name, AND I WILL DO IT." John 14:13-14

Christ is capable of personally answering all prayers that are directed to him or are addressed in his name. The only way that Christ can both hear and answer all these prayers is if he is both omniscient and omnipotent!

"On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, AND I AM IN YOU. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him." John 14:20-21

Christ says that he is IN all the disciples, an impossible claim if he was only a man, or even an angel. But since Jesus is God, and since God is omnipresent, it therefore makes perfect sense for Christ to say he is able to dwell in all the believers at the same time.

Finally:

"Jesus replied, ‘If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and WE will come to him and make OUR home with him.’" John 14:23

Both the Father and the Son make their home with all true believers! Christ is clearly claiming co-equality with the Father since he is present with every believer in the same way that the Father is!

In fact, even those who heard Jesus knew that he was claiming to be equal to his Father:

"And this was why the Jews persecuted Jesus, because he did this on the sabbath. But Jesus answered them, ‘My Father is working still, AND I AM WORKING.’ This was why the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath but also called God his Father, making himself equal (ison) with God." John 5:16-18

The reason why the Jews thought that Jesus was claiming equality with God is because of his bold assertion that he has the same divine right to work on the Sabbath as his Father does, being his Son. Jesus was pretty much saying that, as God’s Son, he could do things which were considered unlawful on this sacred day since he is not bound by the laws and regulations of the Sabbath in the same way that God isn’t bound by them.

The following is another example of Jesus claiming to be equal with the Father:

“‘My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one.’ Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.’” John 10:27-33

Christ ascribes to himself the very exclusive prerogatives of Deity:

“See now that I myself am He! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand.” Deuteronomy 32:39

“Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it?” Isaiah 43:13

As if this weren’t astonishing enough, Jesus says that he is one with the Father right after stating that the latter is greater than all, which in the context refers to those who would try to pluck believers from the Father’s all-powerful hand.

To more fully appreciate the implications of these statements, keep in mind that Jesus’ point is that there is no person who can prevent God from protecting his flock since there is no being that is as powerful as God who can thereby thwart his purposes in saving his sheep. Yet the Lord Jesus places himself in a unique position and category since he actually believes that he is his Father’s equal, being one with him in ability and power which is completely unlike anyone else!

No wonder the Jews thought that Jesus was blaspheming. They could clearly see that Christ was claiming to be God for believing that he could do things which only Yahweh could do and for actually thinking that he was just as powerful as the Father!

In light of the foregoing, it is quite clear what the Lord Jesus meant that the Father was greater than him. The Scriptures teach that when Christ became a man, he assumed the role and position of a slave/servant:

"For who is the greater, one who reclines at table or one who serves? Is it not the one who reclines at table? But I am among you as the one who serves." Luke 22:27

"Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going back to God, rose from supper. He laid aside his outer garments, and taking a towel, tied it around his waist. Then he poured water into a basin and began to wash the disciples' feet and to wipe them with the towel that was wrapped around him. He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, 'Lord, do you wash my feet?' Jesus answered him, 'What I am doing you do not understand now, but afterward you will understand.' Peter said to him, 'You shall never wash my feet." Jesus answered him, 'If I do not wash you, you have no share with me.' Simon Peter said to him, 'Lord, not my feet only but also my hands and my head!' Jesus said to him, 'The one who has bathed does not need to wash, except for his feet, but is completely clean. And you are clean, but not every one of you.' For he knew who was to betray him; that was why he said, 'Not all of you are clean.' When he had washed their feet and put on his outer garments and resumed his place, he said to them, 'Do you understand what I have done to you? You call me Teacher and Lord, and you are right, for so I am. If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet. For I have given you an example, that you also should do just as I have done to you.'" John 13:3-15

"Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." Philippians 2:5-8

Thus, as long as Christ remained on earth in the form and position of a humble slave, enduring persecution, insults, injury, and subsequently the shame of the cross, the Father would be greater in position and honor. Once Christ returns to heaven to be seated alongside his Father, he would no longer be in that state of humiliation. He would share, once again, that same divine glory and sovereign authority that he had with the Father before he had come to the earth as a man:

"Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was... Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world." John 17:5, 24

Thus, the Father was greater in position and rank, not in essence and nature. The questioner is, therefore, committing a categorical fallacy. He/she is confusing the category of position and rank with the category of essence and nature, erroneously assuming that if one is greater in one way, i.e. position and authority, than he/she must be greater in every way, i.e. essence and nature. In light of these clear biblical truths, such is not the case at all.


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Who Is the Devil?

BY DAVID C. PACK

Just who is the devil? The Bible calls him “the god of this world.” But where did he come from? Did God create him as he is? Is he a fallen spirit? Here are the answers from God’s Word!

The devil has been a subject of intense interest for thousands of years. He has been pictured as a ghost, a bogeyman, and a spook. Or as a “devilishly” handsome man in a red suit, with horns and a pitchfork. He has even been portrayed as the nebulous “epitome of all evil.” Or the cause of everything bad that people do. Most are probably familiar with the expression “the devil made me do it.” While these ideas are common, they are all wrong! Even when merged together, they terribly misrepresent this great fallen spirit!

Many professing Christians speak long, loud messages about “that bad old devil.” The more emotional groups conduct tent meetings, campaigns, rallies and crusades where people are told, “We’re gonna lay that devil down tonight.” Large numbers leave these meetings completely convinced that they have done this.

They are wrong! They have achieved nothing more than a temporary feeling of self-satisfaction. Unfortunately, the devil also leaves these meetings feeling even more satisfied with what he has just witnessed—and caused!

Few know the truth about who and what the devil is. This booklet will strip away the mystery, confusion, ignorance, myth, superstition and misconceptions shrouding the truth about his identity and origin.

Growing Fascination with the Devil

One can scarcely turn around without hearing and seeing references to the devil or demons. Pause for a moment and think about how often this happens.

Turn on the television. Go to the movies. Visit a bookstore. How often is the subject of the devil, demons, angels or the spirit world in general spoken or written about? Whole television series are dedicated to these subjects, with more appearing all the time. Movies have focused on the devil for many years. But now they come more often—and are more odd, bizarre, strange, macabre and frightening than ever before!

Consider the “Harry Potter” phenomenon. Some authors write almost exclusively about the spirit world, often mixing a false understanding of prophecy into the plot line—and legions of fans purchase their every book.

Satanism and witchcraft are practiced more openly now than ever before!

Millions spend vast sums on psychic hotlines, palm readers, astrologers, crystal ball gazers, witches, wizards, channelers and a host of other mediums, to find out what the future has in store for them.

The devil sells—and people are buying as never before!

Unnecessary Confusion

The apostle Paul wrote, “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints” (I Cor. 14:33). While widespread confusion surrounds the devil’s identity, you need not be confused!

The Bible is the foundation of all knowledge. You will often hear us say, “Blow the dust off your Bible! Examine it carefully and see the real truth that has always been on its pages. Don’t believe something just because we say it, but rather believe it if you see it proven in your Bible.”

The Bible contains the answers to all of life’s biggest questions! The plain truth of its instruction is not taught in this world’s churches. From as early as “Sunday school,” most are taught to believe what everyone assumes is in God’s Word. What it has to say about the origin of Satan the devil will surprise you. We must let the Bible reveal him for what he is.

Paul also wrote, “PROVE all things; hold fast that which is good” (I Thes. 5:21), and “PROVE what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God” (Rom. 12:2).

We will examine the verses that explain Satan’s origin and who he is. To do this, we must abandon man’s ideas and only accept what can be proven from the Bible!

Where Did Satan Come From?

The devil is alive and real. The Bible calls him the “god of this world” (II Cor. 4:4). Revelation 12:9 states that he “deceives the whole world.” This certainly includes the truth about his identity. But has he always been the devil? Has he always been the evil, murderous, lying, destructive prince of darkness? Was he created this way?

He was not!

These questions require explanation. What you will study will help you see the whole picture. The Bible describes Satan in many scriptures. This booklet primarily examines the verses explaining the devil’s origin. (Our longer booklet, A World in Captivity, discusses the many scriptures describing his role, strategy and devices. Read this companion booklet to understand the overall nature of how the devil works.)

God originally created three archangels: Lucifer (who became Satan), Michael and Gabriel. Each ruled one-third of hundreds of millions of angels (Rev. 5:11). Lucifer ruled the pre-Adamic world with his third. He, along with his angels, rebelled against the government of God, and today he leads these now fallen angels, or demons, as the god of this world.

Genesis 1

Genesis 1:1 states, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” This scripture sets the stage for our study.

The book of Job best describes the time when God created the earth, billions of years ago. God asked Job a series of questions: “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who has laid the measures thereof, if you know? Or who has stretched the line upon it?…When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (38:4-5, 7).

These “stars” were angels (Rev. 12:4), also described as “sons of God.” (Of course, literal stars do not sing.) Notice that it says “all” of them “shouted” and “sang together.” There were not yet demons at the time of creation in Genesis 1:1.

This scripture shows that the earth was created in a wonderful and beautiful condition. There was great joy and singing. Now read Genesis 1:2.

This verse is mistranslated and does not reflect the meaning of the original Hebrew. The King James Version of the Bible says, “And the earth was without form, and void.” Three key Hebrew words are all mistranslated here, thus obscuring, and actually hiding, the verse’s true meaning.

The word translated “was” is hayah. In Genesis 2:7, this word is correctly translated “became,” and in Genesis 9:15, “become.”

The words for “without form, and void” are tohu and bohu. Correctly translated, they mean “chaotic, in confusion, waste and empty.” In short, a perfectly created earth (vs. 1), “became chaotic and confused” (vs. 2). Tohu and bohu are translated identically in Jeremiah 4:23. Isaiah 34:11, among other places, translates this phrase as “confusion and emptiness.”

Notice Isaiah 45:18, which clarifies how God did not create the earth: “For thus says the Lord that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He has established it, He created it not in vain [tohu meaning chaotic or waste], He formed it to be inhabited.” It is clear that the earth became chaotic after God had created it—between the events described in Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. The latter verse describes the RE-creation of the earth 6,000 years ago, and verse 1 describes the original creation of the entire universe that, according to scientists, occurred as many as 17 billion years ago.

Psalm 104:30 says that God “renews the face of the earth.” The seven days of the creation week are when God renewed a damaged, injured earth, then completely covered with water (Gen. 1:2). We will see that this was caused by the devil. Acts 3:19-21 reveals that only the Return of Christ will bring the “restitution [the restoring] of all things.”

So we know what happened. But how did it happen? How did the earth go from being beautiful and perfect at creation to chaotic, confused, waste and empty? Since God is not the author of confusion (I Cor. 14:33), we know that He did not destroy the earth. Then who or what caused this?

Isaiah 14

The Bible reveals many important facts about a subject if one reads all of the scriptures that pertain to it. With this in mind, let’s read about Lucifer after he had become Satan.

Isaiah 14:12-15 tells a remarkable story containing many clues about where Lucifer was once located, what he did and what happened to him. Read carefully, noticing the emphasized key phrases: “How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are you cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations! For you have said in your heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds: I will be like the Most High. Yet you shall be brought down to hell [the “grave”—verses 9 and 11], to the sides of the pit.”

The one called “Lucifer” could not possibly be a man. The things he did are impossible for any human being to do. Only the devil “weakens the nations” and could have said he would “ascend into heaven.” Certainly no man could be “cut down to the ground” in the way described here. Finally, no man has a throne that could be put above the “stars of heaven.”

God lives in the north part of the heavens or the “sides of the north.” Job sheds light on Lucifer’s attempt to overthrow God there: “He [God] stretched out the north over the empty place, and hangs the earth upon nothing” (26:7). The “empty place” in the “north” coincides with what astronomers have noticed is a significant and strange lack of stars in that direction. No doubt, Satan attacked God in that direction when he sought to ascend from his own throne to take over God’s throne in the “sides of the north.” This is what the Bible reveals!

Ezekiel 28

Ezekiel 28:12-17 parallels and reinforces Isaiah 14, and is equally important for study. This account describes one who some “scholars” claim was a human “king of Tyrus.” Careful reading shows this is impossible—and ridiculous.

This verse speaks of one who “seals up the sum, full of wisdom, perfect in beauty,” who had also “been in Eden the garden of God.” No human has ever been perfect, and it was the devil—the serpent—who beguiled Eve in the Garden. Verse 13 states, “you were created,” and Satan is a created being. Verse 14 calls him “the cherub that covers.” (Exodus 25:17-20 describes the remaining two faithful “cherubs that cover[ed]” God’s throne in the Old Testament tabernacle. Their wings cover the “mercy seat.”) No earthly king fits this description.

The latter part of Ezekiel 28:14 says that this “king” was “in the mountain of God” and “walked…in the midst of the stones of fire.” This describes the area around God’s throne. Verse 15 declares, “iniquity [lawlessness] was found in you” and verse 16 refers to it as “sin.”

Verse 16 also describes this cherub as having been “cast…out of” heaven. God also said He would “destroy” (Hebrew: expel) Lucifer from heaven. Verse 17 reveals that his “heart was lifted up because of [his] beauty” and that his wisdom was “corrupted…by reason of [his] brightness.” The verse ends with God “casting him down to the ground,” where the kings of the earth would him.”

Lucifer was a brilliant being—an “angel of light,” as are “his ministers” (II Cor. 11:13-15). The word Lucifer means “the light bringer.” This once perfect being originally brought brilliant light to all that were around him. But he rebelled and sinned—thus becoming the “prince of darkness.” His rebellion turned him into a twisted, perverted being. While of great intelligence, he has literally become an insane fallen angel, no longer knowing right from wrong!

The Beast and False Prophet

Some additional understanding concerning certain vital, unfulfilled prophecies is necessary before continuing with what happened to Satan when he was cast to earth.

Two individuals, known as “the beast and the false prophet,” will lead the final, powerful religious-governmental system depicted in Revelation 17 and 18, which Christ smashes and replaces at His Return. Revelation 16:13-14 describes demons as having the power to “work miracles” through this system. The beast, as the embodiment of this system, will be a great, world-dominating figure.

Also, the false prophet will lead the world to worship the beast as God (Rev. 16:2; 19:20)! This deception will be so widespread (18:3)—so complete—that they will actually deceive all mankind into fighting Christ at His Second Coming (16:9, 13-16; 17:13-14)!

Now notice II Thessalonians 2:3-4 and 8. Verse 3 refers to one called “the man of sin” and “the son of perdition; who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” The false prophet also professes that he is God.

Compare this with Ezekiel 28:2 and the reference to the “prince of Tyrus”—a man. Ezekiel wrote that this “prince” says, “I am a God, I sit in the seat of God.” II Thessalonians 2:8 describes this “man of sin” as the “wicked [one]” who would “be revealed” for what he is when Christ returns and destroys him with the beast in a lake of fire (Rev. 19:20). Isaiah 14:4 refers to the false prophet as the “king of Babylon.” This is the same man as the “prince of Tyrus.”

Continuing in II Thessalonians 2, verse 9 makes a startling statement about the false prophet. It says that his “coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.” Verse 10 shows that he is able to deceive everyone who does not “love the truth.” Verse 11 reveals that God shall send “strong delusion” to all who willingly believe his lies.

The leaders of this great false system will be directly possessed by the devil! This will give the false prophet tremendous power to deceive and perform miracles. Satan, having always wanted to replace God with himself, will speak through this human religious leader and declare to the whole world that he is, in fact, GOD! This Bible warning is unmistakable. The miracles he performs will deceive the vast majority of people!

Will you be deceived when these events soon come to pass—as they surely will? (Read our booklet Who or What Is the Beast of Revelation? to learn more about this final world leader.)

Cast to Earth with All His Angels

Revelation 12 tells of Satan and his demons being “cast to this earth” (vs. 13). Actually, this chapter is an inset in the middle of the book of Revelation, and it is a brief synopsis of the entirety of New Testament Church history.

Verse 3 describes Satan as a “dragon” who “drew the third part of the stars of heaven and did cast them to the earth” (vs. 4). Recall that these “stars” were the one-third of all angels under Lucifer before he rebelled.

II Peter 2:4 offers another clue about this “casting down” of Satan and the angels that he “drew with” him. Notice: “God spared not the angels that sinned [Satan was not the only angel who sinned], but cast them down to hell.” (The Greek word here is tartaros and it means either “prison” or “place of restraint”—this is the earth itself.) These demons with Satan have been “reserved unto judgment,” having been “delivered…into chains of darkness.” This reveals that many other fallen spirits are delivered to this dark prison by God to join the “prince of darkness.”

Revelation 12:7-9 describes, in more detail, when Satan and his demons are cast to the earth for the last time with no further access to heaven. Verses 12-14 show that the devil’s response is great wrath. This terrible time lies just ahead for the whole world!

Satan’s Fate

But what happens to the devil after Christ’s Return? Will he be left free to roam the earth, continuing to “deceive” (Rev. 12:9) and “weaken” (Isa. 14:12) the nations? Will he be allowed to remain the “god of this world” (II Cor. 4:4) forever? What is his final fate?

Revelation 20 describes Christ setting up a 1,000-year millennial rule (vs. 4) and bringing the “last chapter” in Satan’s story. Verse 2 states that a mighty angel (vs. 1) actually binds him “a thousand years” by “casting him into the bottomless pit,” where he is “shut…up.” This angel then “set[s] a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.”

Paul mentioned the time of Satan being bound when he said, “the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly” (Rom. 16:20). This is God’s promise to all true Christians and all mankind, because Satan has persecuted the former and deceived the latter for thousands of years!

The apostle Jude stated that Satan and his demons will be cast out of the universe into a place where the Bible explains there is no light. Verse 13 describes these wretched beings as “wandering stars to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.” The “prince of darkness” and his angels will get what they deserve—what they brought on themselves. The one who was once known as the “light bringer” chose darkness. God will give him complete darkness for the rest of time!

Your Great Potential

Hebrews 2:5 describes the earth under the “subjection of [true] angels” now, but makes clear that these angels will not continue to rule “the world to come.”

Additional verses in this chapter explain what will happen after the fallen angels governing this world are replaced: “What is man, that you are mindful of him?…You made him a little lower than [margin: inferior to] the angels; You crown him with glory and honor…You have put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him” (vs. 6-8).

Speaking of Christ, verses 9-10 continue, “But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became Him…in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.”

Did you catch—grasp—what was said? These verses contain the promise of a staggering potential available to you and me. Christians are called to inherit “all things” and be “crowned with glory and honor,” offered to them by the calling of God and sacrifice of Christ—“the captain of their salvation.”

There is no mistaking what “all things” means. “Nothing” (vs. 8) will be excluded from this inheritance. (Read our free booklets What Is Your Reward in the Next Life?, What Is the Kingdom of God? and Just What Is Salvation?, among others, to learn more about the marvelous potential that awaits all of God’s true saints.)

In Matthew 4:9, Satan offered Christ rulership over “all things” if He would “fall down and worship him.” Christians are promised rulership over the same “all things”—but only on the condition that they worship the true God!

The Devil Revealed

Herbert W. Armstrong concluded his booklet Did God Create A Devil? with:

“God placed the great cherub, Lucifer, to carry out His government on the earth, but Lucifer refused to carry out God’s will, God’s commands, God’s government. He wanted to substitute his own. So he disqualified himself.

“Adam had the chance to supplant him. In the contest to see if Adam would conquer, if he would obey God, he failed. He obeyed the devil instead, and man became the property of the devil, and the whole human race has been sold down the river to the devil ever since.

“Jesus Christ came 4,000 years later and He entered the great contest—the contest of the temptation on the Mount. He refused to obey the devil. He quoted scripture correctly. He obeyed God.

“Finally, He turned to the devil, and He gave Satan a command. He said, ‘Get away from me,’ and the devil obeyed!

“From that time on, the successor of Satan has been qualified to take over the rule of the earth. But Jesus went to heaven for 1900 years. He is soon coming again, and when He does, the devil will be displaced. Christ will rule the earth, God’s Laws will be restored. Order and peace will come at last!

“So God did not create a devil. He created a cherub, Lucifer—perfect in his ways, but with the power of free choice—and Lucifer transformed himself into a devil by rebellion against the Government of God!”

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Lessons from the
Book of Micah

By Ken Raggio

Micah - A Major "Minor" Prophet

Micah prophesied at about the same time as the prophet Isaiah, during the reigns of Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah. A century later, Jeremiah prophesied doom over Israel in the tradition of Micah. The elders of Israel would have killed him, except that they recognized a legal precedent inasmuch as Micah had also prophesied doom, but Hezekiah did not kill him. This "minor" prophet was a major prophet.

Micah 1:1 - "The word of the LORD that came to Micah the Morasthite in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem."

Prophecies Are Historic, Noteworthy, Highly Significant

Joel and Amos were the first of the minor prophets to pronounce clear and articulate Messianic prophecies, foretelling a day when Israel would be mightily revived and the LORD Himself would rule on earth. A generation later, more historic, epochal prophecies were penned by Micah and Isaiah.

Micah 1:2-3 - "Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple. For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth."

Earthquakes And Volcanic Eruptions When Jesus Comes

Micah's prophecies pertained to Samaria (northern capital, of Israel) and Jerusalem (southern capital, of Judah). His prophecies said that God would come to earth and do great destruction because of the sins of the people. This unfulfilled prophecy will occur when Jesus comes to Armageddon.

Micah 1:3-4 - "The LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth. And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place."

Micah Prophesied Israel's Rejection, Ruin And Revival

What other nation in the world had such a line-up of prophets who simultaneously denounced its citizens for their evil ways, condemned and cursed them into captivity and near oblivion, then prophesied an eventual rebirth and re-establishment of that nation, including the rise of an eternal king who would be no less than Almighty God incarnate? Only Israel.

Micah 1:5,12-13 - "For the transgression of Jacob is all this, and for the sins of the house of Israel. ...evil came down from the LORD unto the gate of Jerusalem ...for the transgressions of Israel were found in thee."

Samaria's Contagious Sins

The word of the LORD by Micah warned that He would make a heap of Samaria for its idolatries and whoredoms. "All the graven images thereof shall be beaten to pieces, and all the hires [harlots] thereof shall be burned with the fire," (v 7). Micah wailed, howled and stripped himself in mourning, sorely lamenting that the sins of Samaria had spread to Jerusalem. We have all the same reasons to mourn for our generation.

Micah 1:9 - "For her wound is incurable; for it is come unto Judah; he is come unto the gate of my people, even to Jerusalem."

God Will Judge The Small As Surely As The Great

Micah mourned several small towns in Israel. Gath - keep silent, do not weep. Aphrah - roll in the dust. Saphir - go away ashamed and naked. Zaanan - will not be mourned. Lachish - a swift beast pulling a chariot symbolizes her aggressive sins. Achzib - will deceive the king. Mareshah - baldness symbolizes the loss of his children. God will judge the small, the insignificant, and the obscure just as surely as He will the rich and famous.

Micah 1:16 - "Make thee bald, and poll thee for thy delicate children; enlarge thy baldness as the eagle; for they are gone into captivity from thee."

God Devises Affliction Upon Those Who Afflict

Micah prophesied divine retaliation against insolent Jews who devised evil [Hebrew: affliction] against their own people, scheming in their beds at night, practicing evil by day, coveting and stealing houses, stealing garments from soldiers returning from war, casting women out of their houses, depriving children of their inheritance, and demanding that prophets not prophesy against them.

Micah 2:3 - "Thus saith the LORD; Behold, against this family do I devise an evil, from which ye shall not remove your necks; neither shall ye go haughtily: In that day shall one take up a parable against you, and lament with a doleful lamentation."

Lying Prophets Cannot Negate The Spirit Of Prophecy

The prophets of God have always had to contend with phony prophets. The people almost always prefer someone who will prophesy smooth things. "If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, saying, I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this people." But they reject the prophets of doom. "PROPHESY NOT!" they say. Foolish error! God will ALWAYS have the last say.

Micah 2:7 - "Is the spirit of the LORD straitened [curtailed, discouraged]?
...do not my words do good to him that walketh uprightly?"

They Shall Cry - He Will Not Hear Them

Again and again, the prophets warned Israel that God would cease to hear their prayers if they did not repent. God complained against them, because they "hate the good, and love the evil," and persecuted the righteous. Take note of this frightening threat. If you continually contradict God with with sinful beliefs, He may decide to ignore or oppose you the next time you call.

Micah 3:4 - "Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings."

The Prophets That Make My People Err

Prophets who deceive the people of God are like the serpent who beguiled Eve in the Garden. God condemns them all to darkness.

Micah 3:5-7,11-12 - "Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, ...night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, ...the sun shall go down over the prophets, ...Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: ...the prophets thereof divine for money: ...Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps."

The Mountain Of The House Of The LORD

Jesus will soon come to live on Mount Zion in Jerusalem for 1000 years. "In the last days... The mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established... and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it." Many nations will come to the mountain and house of Jehovah. He will teach them His ways, and they will walk in His paths. He will rule the world from Jerusalem (not Moscow, New York, Brussels, or Beijing).

Micah 4:2 - "For the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."

The Whole Earth Will Be At Peace Under Christ

Micah and Isaiah echoed a similar theme. When Messiah (Jesus Christ) makes His home in Jerusalem, there will be no end of His government and power. The whole world will be at peace.

Micah 4:3-4 - "And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid."

Sin's Debt Must Be Paid Before Restoration And Blessing

Three great truths propel Micah's prophecies. One: Messiah will gloriously rule the earth. Two: Israel will fully recover from their former reproaches, and have great dominion in the earth under Christ. Three: Israel must first suffer punishment for their sins.

Micah 4:7,10 - "I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion... for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, ...thou shalt go even to Babylon; ...there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies."

God Will Trap The Nations Who Try To Take Jerusalem

The lustful nations that are right now trying to take Jerusalem and Israel are falling into God's trap. "Many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion. But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor." Jesus will crush them all at Armageddon. Israel will rule the nations.

Micah 4:13 - "Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: ...thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD."

Bethlehem - Messiah Will Come From You

Micah prophesied, "they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek." That was fulfilled in Matthew 27:30. "They ...took the reed, and smote him on the head." Micah also prophesied that He would come from Bethlehem. "Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king," Matthew 2:1.

Micah 5:2 - "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

God Sometimes Gives Up On People

Nobody anywhere is more longsuffering than God. But there is a point of no return when God takes His hand off of a situation, and leaves fools to their folly. After centuries of rebellion and apostasy, God abandoned Israel to their own devices, until His appointed time comes to finish the work and regather them in righteousness. Take heed lest sin causes God to give up on you.

Micah 5:3 - "Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel."

Jesus Will Deliver Israel From The Assyrian Antichrist

Jesus will come "in the majesty of the name of the LORD." He shall "be great unto the ends of the earth" (King of Kings), and overthrow the Assyrian Antichrist. "I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: ...This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth," Isaiah 14:25-26.

Micah 5:5 - "This man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces ...thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land."

Seven Shepherds And Eight Principal Men With Christ

Israel will be given to "the Assyrian." European powers and the Roman Catholic Church (Beast and False Prophet), via the United Nations, will apparently mandate a Muslim government over Israel. 42 months of great tribulation follow, until Jesus comes at Armageddon. Seven kings or nations, and eight principal men will stand with Christ and His hosts.

Micah 5:5-6 - "Then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod ...thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land."

God's People Are Like Dew From The LORD

In this godless global society, God says that the presence of Jews is like dew from the LORD. The hope of civilization in based on God's covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God also depicts them as lions who conquer their adversaries.

Micah 5:7 - "The remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles ...as a lion among the beasts of the forest, who ...both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver."

Armageddon: Vengeance Such As They Have Not Heard

At the battle of Armageddon, Jesus will lead an army comprised of resurrected Israel (Ezekiel 37:11-12), the saints of all the ages (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17), and seven earthly nations (Micah 5:5) against an attempted "final solution" - the utter annihilation of Israel, by an international army led by Russia, Turkey, Iran, Libya and Ethiopia (see "Ezekiel's War").

Micah 5:9,15 - "Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off. ...And I will execute vengeance in anger and fury upon the heathen, such as they have not heard."

Do Justly. Love Mercy. Walk Humbly With Thy God.

Micah retrogressed from his prophesying to do a little preaching. He told Israel that God had a controversy with them. He reminded them of God's awesome mercies throughout history - deliverance from Egypt, from false prophets like Balaam, giving great leaders like Moses, Aaron and Miriam, and the law. God demanded that they show what He had done to them to make them hate Him.

Micah 6:8 - "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?"

Treasures Of Wickedness In The House Of The Wicked

Micah reminded Israel that God knows what you have hidden in your house, and He knows what sins you have been up to. He knows when you have cheated or deceived someone. He knows your lies, your violence, your idolatries. He is sworn to casting down your evils, and He most certainly will.

Micah 6:10,13-15 - "Are there yet the treasures of wickedness in the house of the wicked? ...I make thee sick in smiting thee, in making thee desolate because of thy sins. Thou shalt eat, but not be satisfied; ...Thou shalt sow, but thou shalt not reap."

My God Will Hear Me

Micah was one of the earliest prophets to condemn the gross apostasy in Israel. Before the days of Hezekiah of Judah, Micah saw that "the good man is perished out of the earth; there is none upright." He saw blood-lust and violence, extortions, endless mischief, sons and daughters dishonoring their fathers and mothers. Then, as now, the only consolation is to call on the LORD for His favor. That is what we must do today.

Micah 7:7 - "Therefore I will look unto the LORD; I will wait for the God of my salvation: my God will hear me."

When I Fall, I Shall Arise

Countless times throughout the Bible, the prophets scathed the people for their abominable sins, leveling judgments against them in the name of the LORD. Just as consistently, they looked with hope to the day when God, in His mercy would save Israel.

Micah 7:8-9 - "Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, the LORD shall be a light unto me. I will bear the indignation of the LORD, because I have sinned against him, ...he will bring me forth to the light, and I shall behold his righteousness."

Israeli Security Walls Signal Antichrist Will Soon Appear

Security walls are now being built throughout Israel. "In the day that thy walls are to be built, ...In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, ...and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain." The Assyrian Antichrist will soon appear, but soon thereafter, the true Christ!

Micah 7:16-17 - "The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf. ...they shall be afraid of the LORD our God, and shall fear because of thee."

Who Is A God Like Unto Thee?

Where will you find a god like our God? He pardons iniquities. He passes by the sins of the remnant of His people. He does not stay angry longer than He should, because He delights in mercy. We will worship no other but Him.

Micah 7:19-20 - "He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea. Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old."

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Muhammad Get many times to spend with womans and to create woman laws and sex laws. And also get many times to sex with slaves,rape captured womans infront of their husbands and to marry many womans.

But greatest messenger Muhammad Didnt get time to answer the questions asked by follwers or people and He also didnt show iany nterest to clear the dout of common people.A messenger failed to share the message of God to common people.

OOH, one more thing He failed to share message of God by knowledge and speech ,BUT He was very sucessful to share His own created Law and Religion ONLY with the Help of His large cruel army. First person in prophethood who kept such a large army Like a Normal Human king can do.......

Mr. Allah said that Jesus wasn't curcified you say? Tell me, is this Mr. Allah the sam fella who is worried that Jesus and Mary are being taken two partners beside him (Q5:116)? If so, he's a dunce, so why should we believe anything else he says? .

Actually why a person prophet want to come to this world, To spread teachings of God.And Its prophet duty to answer every quesion asked by His followers and No prophets never shouted if any person ask question instead they will happy to speak or share God words to un known person.This only Muhammad who shouted and didnt gIven answers to many people by shouting and showing His angry on face.

But many people start ask Question regarding Islam to Muhammad But He shouted and His cheers become Dark red color due to angry because,If a person know answer He will surely say but if we ask a Question to such person who dont know anything He will Hide from that Question by showing His Angry.

Who told you that, Bible contain not only words of Peter but many other Apostates. All write and said the same story about Jesus Life.Everyone accepted and said Jesus is Holly and sinless and He came to this world as savior and to take our sins.He died and rose. Every one passages support this. But Quran came with one Man show.Given by one person and He itself told that He was a Prophet.

That was the greatest miracle of Islam.


"Don't waste time to prove something stupid," you say? Excellent advice!

You Mohammedans spend your time thinking up one stupid straw dog after another concerning Christian belief and then defend these straw dogs. One of the funniest is Q5:116, in which your Mr. Allah confuses Jesus and Mary as the two partners beside him, "partners" in the sense of the Mohammedan misunderstanding of the Trinity as aerroneously proclaimed in Q4:171 and 5:73.

Prove these ayat, Mohammedan! LOL!



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Guide to Understanding Islam

 

 

What does the
Religion of Peace
Teach About...

The Sex Life of the Prophet

 
 

Question
:

Was Islam's "perfect man" sexually restrained?


Summary Answer
:

Muhammad had sex with just about anyone he pleased, thanks to Allah's extraordinary interest in his personal sex life, as immortalized in the Qur'an.

Although the Qur'an didn't appear to have enough space for topics like universal love and brotherhood (which Muslims sometimes insist are there, but aren't), the list of sexual partners that Muhammad was entitled to is detailed more than once, sometimes in categories and sometimes in reference to specific persons (Zaynab & Mary).

Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time.  He relegated them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night.  He married a 9-year-old girl and even his adopted son's wife.  On top of that, Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex - sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army.

So, by any realistic measure, the creator of the world's most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.


The Qur'an:

Allah managed to hand down quite a few "revelations" that sanctioned Muhammad's personal pursuit of sex to the doubters around him.  Interestingly they have become part of the the eternal, infallible word of the Qur'an, to be memorized by generations of Muslims for whom they have no possible relevance.

Qur'an (33:37) - "But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed."  No doubt millions of young Muslims, trying to outdo one another at memorizing the Qur'an, have wondered about what this verse means and why it is there.  In fact, this is a "revelation" of convenience that Allah just happened to hand down at a time when Muhammad lusted after his daughter-in-law, Zaynab, - a state of affairs that disturbed local customs.  The verse "commands" Muhammad to marry the woman (following her husband's gracious divorce).  As for why this should be part of the eternal word of God...?

Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; "  This is another special command that Muhammad handed down to himself that allows virtually unlimited sex, divinely sanctioned by Allah.  One assumes that this "revelation" was meant to assuage some sort of disgruntlement in the community over Muhammad's hedonism.

Qur'an (33:51) - "You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased"  This is in reference to a situation in which Muhammad's wives were grumbling about his preference for sleeping with a slave girl (Mary the Copt) instead of them.  Accordingly, Muhammad may sleep with whichever wife (or slave) he wishes without having to hear the others complain... as revealed in Allah's literal and perfect words to more than a billion Muslims. 

Qur'an (66:1-5) - "O Prophet! Why ban thou that which Allah hath made lawful for thee, seeking to please thy wives?..."  Another remarkable verse of sexual convenience concerns an episode in which Muhammad's wives were jealous of the attention that he was giving to a Christian slave girl.  But, as he pointed out to them, to neglect the sexual availability of his slaves was against Allah's will for him! 

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess."  Allah even permitted Muhammad and his men to have sex with married slaves, such as those captured in battle.


From the Hadith:

 

Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine.  (See also Bukhari 58:234 and many other places).  No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given.

 

Bukhari (62:18) - Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible.  This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.

 

Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).

 

Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.

 

Muslim (8:3460) - "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?" Muhammad posed this question to one of his followers who had married an "older woman" instead of opting to fondle a child.

 

Bukhari (4:232) - Muhammad's wives would wash semen stains out of his clothes, which were still wet from the spot-cleaning even when he went to the mosque for prayers.  Between copulation and prayer, it's a wonder he found the time to slay pagans.

 

Bukhari (6:300) - Muhammad's wives had to be available for the prophet's fondling even when they were having their menstrual period.

 

Bukhari (93:639) - The Prophet of Islam would recite the 'Holy Qur'an' with his head in Aisha's lap, when she was menstruating.

 

Bukhari (62:6) - "The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives."  Muhammad also said that it was impossible to treat all wives equally - and it isn't hard to guess why.

 

Bukhari (5:268) - "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, 'Had the Prophet the strength for it?' Anas replied, 'We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men.' "

 

Bukhari (60:311) - "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."  These words were spoken by Aisha within the context of her husband having been given 'Allah's permission' to fulfill his sexual desires with a large number of women in whatever order he chooses.  (It has been suggested that Aisha may have been speaking somewhat wryly).

 

Muslim (8:3424) - One of several narrations in which a leering Muhammad orders a clearly startled woman to suckle a grown man with her breast so that he will become "unlawful" to her - meaning that they can live under the same roof together.

 

Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty."   Muhammad considered the women that he captured and enslaved to be God's gift to him.

 

Tabari VIII:117 - "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."  He sometimes pulled rank to reserve the most beautiful captured women for himself.

 

Tabari IX:139 - "You are a self-respecting girl, but the prophet is a womanizer."  Words spoken by the disappointed parents of a girl who had 'offered' herself to Muhammad (he accepted).
 


Additional Notes:

Muhammad's sexual antics are an embarrassment to those Muslims who are aware of them.  This is particularly so for their prophet's marriage to Aisha when she was 9-years-old.  The thought of a 52-year-old man sleeping and bathing with a young girl is intensely unpleasant and it reflects the disgusting character of a sexual glutton rather than a holy man.  Critics even allege that Muhammad was a pedophile.

 

Some Muslims respond by denying the hadith itself, which is a mistake.  The accounts of Muhammad sleeping with a 9-year-old are no less reliable than those on which the five pillars of Islam are based.  They have been an accepted part of tradition and did not become controversial until social mores began to change with the modern age.

 

The charge of pedophilia may or may not be true, depending on how it is defined.  Technically, Muhammad did have a sexual relationship with a child, but Aisha was also the youngest of his twelve wives.  Zaynab was in her 30's when she attracted the unquenchable lust of the prophet.  We don't know the age of Muhammad's sex slaves.  They may or may not have been as young as Aisha, but there is no point in speculating.

 

Prior to the medical advances of the last century, marriage occurred at a much younger age across all societies.  When life expectancy was in the mid 20's (or lower), it made no sense to wait until 19 before having children.  Otherwise, one ran the risk of not being around to raise them.  In short, childhood as we know it was abbreviated by the reality of the times. 

 

Another strong piece of evidence against Muhammad being a pedophile is that, according to the same Hadith, he waited from the time Aisha was six (when the marriage ceremony took place) until she turned nine to consummate the relationship.  Although the text doesn't say why, in all probability it was because he was waiting for her to begin menstrual cycles - thus entering into "womanhood."  It is unlikely that a pedophile would be concerned about this.

 

On the other hand, Muhammad passed down revelations from Allah that clearly condoned sleeping with underage girls, even by the standard of puberty.  Qur'an (65:4) lays down rules for divorce, one of them being that a waiting period of three months is established to determine that the woman is not pregnant.  But the same rule applies to "those too who have not had their courses," meaning girls who have not begun to menstruate.  (In our opinion, this would have been a great time for Allah to have said something else instead like, "a real man is one who marries a real woman"... but that's just us).

 

Thanks to Muhammad's extremely poor judgment (at best) and explicit approval of pedophilia, sex with children became deeply ingrained in the Islamic tradition.  For many centuries, Muslim armies would purge Christian and Hindu peasant villages of their menfolk and send the women and children to harems and the thriving child sex slave markets deep in the Islamic world.  The Ayatollah Khomeini, who married a 12-year-old girl, even gave his consent to using infants for sexual pleasure (although warning against full penetration until the baby is a few years older).  In April, 2010, a 13-year-old Yemeni girl died from injuries suffered to her womb during intercourse.

 

Some clerics show relative mercy on underage girls by advocating a process known as "thighing" (also known as child molestation in the West).  According to a recent fatwa (known as 23672), the imam answers a question: "My parents married me to a young girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. How can I enjoy her sexually?" by telling the 'man' that he may "hug her, kiss her, and ejaculate between her legs."

 

Muhammad's penchant for girls so much younger than him was such that at least two of his father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and Omar, the first two Caliphs) were actually younger than him as well.  This disappointing pattern is very much at odds with the sort of sexual discipline that one might expect of a true "prophet of God."

 

Muhammad's pursuit of Zaynab, the wife of his adopted son is almost as tough for Muslims to explain.  This is because it not only raises a similar question of moral character, but also casts suspicion on whether his so-called prophecies were really divine revelation or dictates of personal convenience.  According to one biographer, even Aisha appears to be somewhat doubtful of Muhammad's claim that Allah commanded him to marry Zaynab, wryly remarking, "Truly Allah seems to be very quick in fulfilling your prayers."

 

So controversial was Muhammad's desire to marry his adopted son's wife that he had to justify it with a stern pronouncement from Allah on the very institution of adoption, which has had tragic consequences to this day.  Verses  33:4-5 are widely interpreted to imply that Islam is against adoption, meaning that an untold number of children in the Islamic world have been needlessly orphaned - all because Muhammad's lustful desires for a married woman went beyond even what the other six wives that he possessed at the time and a multitude of slaves could satisfy.

 

Some Muslims deny that Muhammad was married to more than four women at a time, merely on the basis that the Qur'an only gives permission for marrying four.  Unfortunately, Muslims historians disagree.  Only one of Muhammad's last eleven wives died before him (Zaynab bint Khuzayma).  The rest outlived him by many years.

 

Muhammad forbade his ten widows from remarrying, even making sure that this "divine" order was forever preserved in the eternal word of Allah - Qur'an (33:53).  To add insult to injury, they were all summarily disinherited from Muhammad's estate by his successor (courtesy of another divine order "given" to Abu Bakr from Allah).

 

In summary, Islam's holiest texts portray Muhammad not as a perfect man, but as a sexual hedonist.  Not only did he become fat from indulging in food, but his pursuit of sex was no less gluttonous.  On top of it all, he used personal "revelations" from Allah to justify his debauchery to the gullible masses which, to this day, continue to be venerated and memorized as if they are the holiest of utterances.

 

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The Secret of Muhammad’s Success.  

Italian translation
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By Ali Sina

 

C

ults generally have limited influence. So, how could Islam have succeeded in becoming the world’s second largest religion? How could so many people, among them, countless intelligent people, fall so completely for it? To answer this question we must examine the power of lies.  Who knows more about lies than a master of lies? One of the great masters of lies and the uses of deception was Josef Goebbel, Hitler's minister for propaganda. He once said: “If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth.” 

Before getting into the discussion of how a lie can become a major world religion let us consider a few logical fallacies that surround this subject.

Argumentum ad antiquitatem:  This fallacy asserts that a belief must be true if it has survived a long time, or because “that's the way it's always been.” This fallacy is a favorite argument of Muslim apologists. In Arabic it is called Taqrir.  The fallacy states that Islam has lasted for 1400 year and therefore it must be true.

There have been many theses that were upheld for thousands of years that were eventually debunked. One such theory was geocentricity. Up until Galileo, the majority, if not all of mankind believed that the Earth is the center of the Cosmos. This belief was as old as mankind. The Sun the Moon and the entire firmament were believed to revolve around the Earth. Few challenged this thesis. Yet despite its long-held track record and antiquity, geocentricism proved to be false.

 

Argumentum ad numerum: Another logical fallacy that Muslims cling to is the claim that since a great portion of humanity believes in Islam it must be true. They argue: “How can so many people be wrong?”

Argumentum ad numerum asserts that the more people support or believe in a proposition, the greater is the likelihood that it is true.

Just as something true does not become untrue if no one believes in it, something that is not true does not become true if many people believe in it. Truth cannot be staked on the consensus of the majority. Facts exist independent of beliefs. We cannot decide on truth by running an opinion poll. The Earth was never flat, even when everyone believed so.

Argumentum ad populum: This is a variation of argumentum ad numerum. Argumentum ad populum asserts that something is true because it is appealing to a lot of people. You commit this fallacy when you try to win the legitimacy for an assertion by claiming it is liked by a large group of people. This form of fallacy is often characterized by emotive language. For example:  “Islam has existed for over 1400 years and has had billions of followers. Islam has had a great impact on people’s lives. It has given the world Algebra and many sciences. The streets of Baghdad were illumined when Europe was engulfed in Dark Ages. Islam is the fastest growing religion. Are you implying that all these people are mistaken fools?"

So, why has Islam succeeded? Paradoxically, Islam has succeeded because it is a big lie. Adolf Hitler, in his Mein Kampf, (1925) wrote: “The broad mass of a nation will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one”. If anyone should have known the power of the big lie and that the bigger the lie the more believable it sounds, it was Hitler. Another good statement is that of George Orwell, author of Politics and the English Language. He wrote: “Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.”[1] 

Why big lies are so convincing? The logic behind it is that an average normal person generally does not dare to tell a big lie. He fears that it would not be believed and that he would be derided. And, since everyone has heard or has said a few white lies, most people generally recognize them when they hear one. The big lies are so outlandish that they often startle the listener. Most people are not equipped to process them adequately. When the lie is colossal, the average person is left to wonder how anyone can have the audacity, the impudence to say such a thing. You are left with the difficult decision between two extremes: The person, who is saying this, must be either insane, a charlatan or he must be telling the truth. Now, what if for any reason, such as your reverence for this person, his charisma, or your commitment to him, you can’t bear the thought of repudiating him and accept that maybe he’s insane, a quack? Then you force yourself to believe in whatever he tells you even if what he says makes no sense at all. 

The big lie offsets the scale of our commonsense. This is like loading a scale that is made to weigh kilos with tons. It stops showing the correct weight. The indicator may even stop at zero. Hence, Hitler was right. The big lie is often believed better than a small one.

When Muhammad recounted his tale of ascending to the seventh heaven, Abu Bakr was at first taken aback. He did not know what to make of this. This sounded utterly mad. He had two choices. He had to either admit that his friend, whom he respected so much and by following him he had endured ridicule, was a crackpot and leave him or force himself to believe in his fantastical tales and whatever else he might say. There was no middle ground for him.

Ibn Ishaq says when Muhammad made his vision known, “many Muslims gave up their faiths. Some people went to Abu Bakr and said, ‘What do you think of your friend? He alleges that he went to Jerusalem last night and prayed there, and came back to Mecca !’  He replied that they were lying about the apostle, but they said that he was in the mosque at that very moment, telling people about it. Abu Bakr said, ‘If he says so, then it is true. And what is so surprising in that? He tells me that communication from Allâh, from heaven to earth, come to him in an hour of a day or night, and I believe him. That is more extraordinary than that at which you boggle!’”[2]

The logic is flawless. Basically what Abu Bakr was saying is that once you give up your rational faculty and believe in an absurdity, you might as well believe in anything. Once you let yourself to be fooled, then you should be prepared to be fooled ad infinitum because there is no end to foolishness. How many people would let a 54 year old man sleep with their 9 year old daughter?  This requires extreme foolishness. This much foolishness is only possible through blind faith.

We must also remember that Abu Bakr, by now had spent most of his wealth for Muhammad and his cause. This man had a lot at stake. At this stage, he had no other choice but to go along with whatever his friend told him. Admitting that he had been conned was too painful a thought to bear. How could he explain this to his wife? What could he say to the wise men of Mecca who had laughed at him and told him he is a fool? The doors of going back for Abu Bakr were shut. All he could do was to dig in deeper and blindly follow Muhammad to wherever he took him. He had to silence his conscience and believe in anything his prophet fancied. When you put your entire faith on someone and sacrifice so much for him, you give up your independence and become putty in his hand. This is what cult leaders want from their devotees. Only this kind of devotion satiates their narcissistic craving.  

Abu Bakr had a hard time believing in Muhammad’s tale of ascension to heaven and yet in the end he had no choice but to believe because renouncing him meant admitting that he has been a fool and that was a painful experience. Denouncing the person, whom you have come to accept as the messenger of God and believe in, is not an easy task. It is indeed a heroic decision, one well beyond the range of any feebleminded believer. The more you have given up your freedom, and the more you have sacrificed for this person and his cause, the more difficult it is to leave him. How would you face your friends and tell them you have been duped? How would you come to terms with your own conscience for all the years and money you have wasted on him?

What the average and normal person does not understand is that the fabricators of the big lies are not an average and normal but psychopaths. However, it is not easy to spot them. The narcissists often look not just smart, but geniuses. They are charming, delightful, amiable, intelligent and charismatic. Psychopathology has nothing to do with intelligence. What the psychopath narcissist lacks is conscience. It is the combination of a superior intellect and lack of conscience that makes him extremely dangerous. Hitler is a worthy example. A low witted psychopath that holds you at gunpoint to rob you is far less dangerous than the smart psychopath that seduces millions of people with grandiose talks and empty promises.

Hitler, Stalin and many other history's despotic leaders were also insane. Yet few suspected their insanity. Those who did could not whisper it to others. The superior wisdom of the despotic leader is the invisible cloak of the emperor. Everyone sees it and praises it. Those who are not in the immediate circle, become convinced by the conviction of others. Thus the big lie is perpetuated and no criticism of it is tolerated.  

Use of Violence  

Apart from being utterly convinced, the psychopath liar is ready to use violence to defend his lies. Appealing to force in order to support a claim is another logical fallacy that has often been successfully applied by dictators. This fallacy is called Argumentum ad baculum. It happens when someone resorts to force, or the threat of force, to push others to accept a conclusion. 

Muhammad attributed his victories to divine assistance. The truth is that he won because he played dirty. He did not win because God was on his side but rather because he was cunning, ruthless and bent on winning by any means, even through deceit and treachery. You do not need God to be on your side to kill unarmed villagers taken by surprise.

Argumentum ad baculum can be defined as “might is right.”  This threat could be direct like: 

 

  • Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5  

  • I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them  8:12,

Or indirect such as:

  • And as for those who disbelieve and reject Our Signs, they are the people of Hell 5:11

  • For him [the disbeliever] there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).  22:9,

  • (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allâh is Mighty, Wise. (Q. 4:56)

The threat gives the big lie a dramatic sense of urgency. The impact is so intense that one can't remain indifferent. “How can one be so certain that God would punish those who disbelieve in him?” or “How can one kill so many people for mere fact that they disbelieve in him?” You wonder and become more prone to believe, than if there were no such threats. Argumentum ad baculum works. Extreme violence is extremely convincing. The North Koreans literally worship the mad Kim Jung Il. This certainty comes to them through extreme violence and zero tolerance of dissent. When your life depends on believing, you will believe in anything.  

When the followers of Shoko Asahara, the Japanese leader of the cult Aum Shinrikyo, were ordered to release Sarin gas in the subways of Tokyo and murder many innocent people, they did not question the abhorrence of this order. They silenced their conscience and accepted it as the sign of the greater wisdom of their guru. They were faced with two choices. They had to, either accept that he is insane, that they have been fooled and admit that all their sacrifices have been in vain or convince themselves that this man’s wisdom is so great that they can’t fathom its depth and therefore should not question him. These people had given up everything to be with Asahara. They had broken all the bridges with their previous lives. They had nothing left to fall back on and nowhere to go if they decided to leave him. Since questioning Asahara or dissenting would not have been tolerated, they had no choice but to believe that whatever he said was right. They dismissed any doubt and forced themselves to have faith.

Dr. Ikuo Hayashi was a renowned doctor who had become one of Asahara’s zealous followers. He was one of the five persons who were ordered to plant the toxic Sarin gas in the subways of Tokyo . Hayashi was a trained physician and had taken the Hippocratic oath to save lives. At one point, before puncturing the packages containing the deadly liquid, he looked at the woman sitting in front of him and for a moment had misgivings. He knew that he was about to cause that woman's death. But he immediately silenced his conscience convincing himself that Asahara knew best, and that it would not be right for him to question his master’s wisdom.

Normal people would never want to kill others for no reason. Here is this man who has convinced you that he holds the key to hell and paradise. Your eternal destiny is in his hands. You trust him completely and believe in whatever he tells you to the extent that you even fear doubting him. He has made you believe that if you doubt him you would go to hell. You have two choices: denounce him completely as a mad man or do what he says without questioning. “What if he is telling the truth?” you think to yourself. “By disobeying him, I would be punished for eternity. Can I take that chance? Just look at how many people have accepted him. Many of them are smart. Can all these people be wrong?” You whisper to yourself these thoughts and silence your conscience. Then there is the question of where to go? This cult is all you have. So you silence your conscience and submit your intelligence and do whatever you are told. Your obedience is rewarded. Your fellow cultists cheer you and praise your faith, devotion and sacrifices. This makes you feel better even though your actions were originally against your conscience. Gradually you come to see evil as good and murder appears to be divine.

So when your guru tells you that by killing people you will go to heaven, you believe. When he tells you that you must sacrifice your own life, you happily do it. When he tells you to hand over your possessions to him or give him your wife or your under-aged daughter to have sex with, you do not hesitate to please him. You have submitted your will and intelligence to him. There is no point for you to think or question anything, only to obey. You strive hard to be obedient. You vie with other fellow cultists try to outdo them in service and sacrifice. You are told, and you have ended up believing that the bigger your sacrifice, the greater will be your reward. You see it as your privilege to serve this man, to sacrifice your possessions and your life for him and for his cause, and to fulfill his wishes.

Omeir was a 16 years old lad who accompanied Muhammad in one of his battles. Muhammad spoke so glowingly of martyrdom that this boy was kindled with zealotry. Throwing away a handful of dates, which he was eating, he exclaimed “Is it these that hold me back from Paradise ? Verily, I will taste no more of them, until I meet my Lord!” With such words, he drew his sword, and casting himself upon enemy's ranks, soon obtained the fate he coveted.

Once you become a believer you dismiss the thought that your beloved prophet may be lying. Psychopaths don't have a conscience. They can lie and they are capable of killing millions of people without any compunction. They feel entitled to do so. Hitler was convinced that he was doing the work of God. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear. In his book Mein Kampf, he wrote:                                                                           

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.[3]  

Ayatollah Montazeri, the man who was supposed to succeed Khomeini, until he fell from grace and because of his disagreements with him, in his memoir writes, that when Khomeini ordered the massacre of more than 3000 dissident boys and girls, he objected. Khomeini responded that he would respond to God for that and that Montazeri should keep his mouth shut and not interfere.

The narcissist psychopaths are charismatic leaders. They have grandiose ideas and great appeal. They may appear to be pillars of strength and born leaders. It is not just you; many other “smart” people have also recognized their “greatness.” How can all these people be wrong? You marvel at the absurdities that he utters and instead of using reason to dismiss them outright, you strive to find some esoteric and hidden meanings in them that might offer some justification. The more stupid the utterances, the more miraculous and divine they begin to sound to you.

Hitler attracted the support of many Germans merely by making them feel food with his big lies. He was a spellbinding speaker. When he spoke, he became louder and louder, as he vented his rage at the perceived enemies of Germany . He aroused the patriotism of Germans. His belief, that the bigger the lie the more believable it might become, proved true. Millions of Germans believed in his lies. They loved him and were moved to tears by his fiery speeches.

Ibn Sa’d reports a hadith that reveals more similarities between Muhammad and Hitler: “During the sermons, the eyes of the Prophet would turn red as he would raise his voice and spoke angrily as if he was the commander of an army warning his men ‘the resurrection and I are like these two fingers (referring to his index and middle finger). He would say ‘the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad and the worst thing is innovation and any innovation will result in perdition.”[4]

In the same place Ibn Sa’d says: “During his sermons, the Prophet used to wield a stick.”  (Perhaps to symbolize his dominance!)  

The art of manipulating others so brazenly is not an ability that you or I can learn, or easily master. Our biggest “handicap” is our conscience. Such ability comes naturally to psychopathic narcissists who have no conscience. Men like Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin and Muhammad were bereft of conscience.

Therefore there are four answers to the question “Why Islam succeeded”:

 

  1. Islam is the biggest lie.
  2. Muhammad was a ruthless tyrant.
  3. Islam is extremely intolerant of opposing ideas
  4. Islam is an instrument of power.  

Why Did Everyone Praise Muhammad?   

A question that boggles Muslims is why, if Muhammad was so evil, did his companions praise him so much? Why no one spoke opprobriously of him, even after his death?

The answer is that in a society that is based on a personality cult, speaking your mind is not always safe. Telling the truth could bring you ostracism or worse, it could cost you your life. People who may think differently know enough to keep their mouths shut and their head on their shoulders. Abdullah Ibn Abi Sarh, who was writing down the Quran for Muhammad and who realized there were no revelations and that Muhammad was making the Qur’an up, had to escape Medina and only in the safety of Mecca he revealed what he had found. However, when Muhammad conquered Mecca , he immediately sought Abi Sarh and ordered his execution. Abi Sarh was saved thanks to the intercession of Uthman who happened to be his foster brother.

Where critics are silenced, sycophants and bootlickers will try to endear themselves by eulogizing the leader with flattery and exaggerated adulation. After Muhammad’s death, the sycophants continued fawning over him, praising him to the skies, even attributing miracles to him, thinking that this would add to their prestige and make them look pious. There are many miracles attributed to Muhammad even though he confessed in the Qur’an that he could not perform any.[5]

Fourteen hundred years later, millions of Muslims behave in the same way they used to at the time of Muhammad in Medina . Those who dissent are afraid to talk, and if they do, they are silenced swiftly, while the lackey fawners are honored for extolling the Prophet and his “virtues”. How can truth triumph in such a repressive atmosphere so fraught with hypocrisy and sycophancy?

There are several stories about Muhammad ordering the assassination of those who criticized him and about Omar, as Muhammad’s right hand man, who was ever ready to draw his sword and threaten to slit the throat of anyone who dared to question his master’s authority. Muhammad encouraged sycophantism and punished independent thinking and criticism.

People trapped in such an oppressive atmosphere, eventually come to believe in the superhuman qualities of the leader and their faith in them becomes genuine and real.

Recently a team of eye surgeons went to North Korea to help people with cataracts. Thousands of young and old lined up and after they recovered their sights, the doctors were stupefied to see that the first thing these people did was to go to the large portrait of their dictator Kim Jung Il hanging on the wall to prostrate and thank him – not the doctors who help them, but the tyrant that had kept them blind for so many years.  

Muhammad’s mission flourished partly because he had appeared in a time and place where he was amongst an ignorant, superstitious, largely chauvinistic people. The qualities that he needed to bolster his marauding religion were already present in his early followers. Chauvinism, bigotry, haughtiness, arrogance, megalomania, stupidity, boastfulness, greed, lust for sex, disdain for life and other ignoble character traits that are the hallmarks of Islam, were already present as the materia prima in Arabia, where Muhammad launched his prophetic enterprise. These attributes were later imposed on other nations who fell prey to Islam. Those who already had these base attributes found in Islam a common ground to regroup and a “divine” validation for their deviant, criminal behavior. 

 


[1] Politics and the English Language 1946 http://www.resort.com/~prime8/Orwell/patee.html

[2] Sira Ibn Ishaq:P 183

[3] Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York : Mariner Books, 1999, p. 65.

[4] Ibn Sa’d Tabaqat, page 362

[5] The unbelievers repeated asked Muhammad to bring a miracle so they can believe (Quram 17: 90) and Muhammad kept telling them "Glory to my Lord! Am I aught but a man,- a messenger?" (Qur’an 17: 93)

 

A Few Influential Psychopaths

To understand the phenomenon of Muhammad we have to study modern cults and peer into the minds of their leaders. Cases abound. I only give a few examples:  

Jim Jones convinced normal decent people that he is the Messiah. He convinced them to leave their families and follow him to his “Medina” in the middle of the Jungles. He convinced the Government of New Guyana to give him 300 acres of land for free. He convinced his men to carry guns and kill anyone who dissented. These men shot and killed a senator and his guards and then he convinced his followers to drink a cyanide potion and 911 of them willingly did what he told them and died.  

How do you explain this magnetism on his part and this much loyalty and faith of those who believed in him?    

David Koresh gathered his followers in Branch Davidian compound outside of Waco, Texas. They were with him every moment of the day. They armed themselves because he told them so. They allowed their teenage daughters to sleep with him, much like Abu Bakr allowed Muhammad to sleep with his underage daughter. They shot and killed four ATF agents and booby trapped the compound and blew it causing their own deaths and the deaths of all their families rather than surrender. If that is not loyalty what it is? 90 people died in that incident.    

Order of the Solar Temple:This apocalyptic cult claimed 74 victims in three bizarre mass suicide rituals. Most of the members of the sect were highly educated and well-to-do individuals, much more intelligent than Abu Bakr, Omar and the kid Ali who was more fond of killing than thinking. 

The two known leaders of the group were Luc Jouret, a Belgian homeopathic doctor, and Joseph di Mambro, a wealthy businessman. They were like Muhammad and Abu Bakr of this cult. They too believed in their insanity and they too committed suicide.

The cult gave great importance to the Sun. Their fiery ritual murder-suicides are meant to take members of the sect to a new world on the star "Sirius." To assist with the trip, several of the victims, including some children, were shot in the head, asphyxiated with black plastic bags and/or poisoned.

Luc and Joseph wrote, in a letter delivered after their deaths that they were "leaving this earth to find a new dimension of truth and absolution, far from the hypocrisies of this world." Doesn’t this sound eerily familiar to what Muhammad preached? Except that he did not advocate suicide; there was no gain in that for him. He ordered his followers to wage war for him, kill and get killed in the cause of his imaginary Allah. Loot innocent people and bring wealth and power for him. He was much more pragmatic than these cultists and far less willing to put at risk his own life.   

How can you explain the devotion of these people to their sick beliefs? Do you deny the conviction of their leaders to their cause?    

Heaven's Gate:  On March 26, 1997, 39 members of "Heaven's Gate" decided to "shed their containers" and get on a companion craft hiding in the tail of the Hale-Bopp comet.

The Heaven Gaters died in three shifts over a three-day period after celebrating their last meal on earth. 15 cultists died the first day, 15 the second and the remaining nine the third day. As one set of cultist ingested the poison, a lethal dose of phenobarbital mixed in with pudding and/or applesauce and chased with a shot of vodka, they would lie down and another cultist would use a plastic bag to speed up the dying. A frighteningly anal-retentive mass suicide, the cultist would clean up after each round of killing. Before the last two killed themselves, they took out the trash leaving the rented mansion in perfect order. Wanting to be helpful even after dead, all bodies had some sort of identification. Strangely, though, they also had five-dollar bill and change in their pockets and small suitcases neatly tucked under the cots and beds. 

Also take a look at the story of John de Ruilter, the man whose followers believe to be greater than Jesus, allow him to have orgies with their daughters. One of his followers is a psychologist who swears in his thirty years of practice he has never come across such a “sane” man. 

We have thousands of cases such as these. The cult leaders are charismatic, they are persuasive and they are convinced of their own cause. They are not normal people, they are psychopaths. They are very different from ordinary people and that is why they stand out. They are often intelligent people, but their reality and fantasy are mixed up. They mystify others with their oomph, self assurance, single mindedness and unwavering resolution. That is because they can’t distinguish between what is real and what is imagined. They are the first to believe in their own lies. This conviction fools their close friends and relatives, making them believe that they must know something that others don't. 

Muhammad was no different. He was a psychopath. I have described his psychological profile in another article, titled The Force Behind Muhammad. Hitler, Stalin, or other charismatic cult leaders were not stupid. They were highly intelligent but they were insane.

More insane than that is the fact that a billion people follow a psychopath and all of them base their belief on a few logical fallacies. Each one of them bases his faith on the credulity of others and all of them, like sheep follow each other. If all the sheep go one way then that must be the right way to go. "After all not a billion people could be mistaken."  

 

The Sheep Mentality and Deindividuation

Muslims call themselves Ummah. This word is of the same root of Ummi. Ummi is how Muhammad referred to himself and it means unlettered, unschooled, uneducated.

Therefore Ummah means the community of the unlettered followers. In the case of Muhammad this implied that his knowledge was of a divine source. However that distinction does not apply to the Ummah. Hence Ummah, by definition means the ignorant mass of believers

The verse 3:20 reads: 

وَقُل لِّلَّذِينَ أُوْتُواْ الْكِتَابَ وَالأُمِّيِّينَ أَأَسْلَمْتُمْ

And say to the People of the Book and to those who are unlearned: (Ummiyeen) "Do ye (also) submit yourselves?" 

Here the word Ummiyeen الأُمِّيِّينَ which is the plural of Ummi is translates as:

Yusuf Ali: those who are unlearned:
Pickthal: those who read not
Shakir: the unlearned people

Let us take another verse (Imran 3:75): 

قَالُواْ لَيْسَ عَلَيْنَا فِي الأُمِّيِّينَ سَبِيلٌ

"They say, "there is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (Pagans).(Ummiyeen)"

Yusuf Ali translates this word in this verse as ignorant.
Pickthal translates it as Gentiles. 
And Shakir translates the word as unlearned people.

The noun "gentile" is generally applied to an individual who is ignorant of the Scriptures. In English the synonym for "gentile" is "pagan".

Historically, the term gentile was used by the governing Romans for the non-Romans (foreigners); it was adopted by the Jews to denote the non-Jews; in turn the Christians used it for the Pagans. In the Qur'an the term al-Ummiyeen, is generally translated as "the Unlettered folks". The verse 62:2 reads,

هُوَ الَّذِي بَعَثَ فِي الْأُمِّيِّينَ رَسُولًا مِّنْهُمْ

Yusuf Ali translates this thus: 
"
It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered an apostle from among themselves,"

And in his commentary he writes: "The Unlettered: as applied to a people, it refers to the Arabs, in comparison with the People of the Book..."

Verse: 2:78 

وَمِنْهُمْ أُمِّيُّونَ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ الْكِتَابَ

And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book,

The root of Ummi is "Um" (mother). A literal translation of that into English would be “Natural”, although the two words have taken different meanings in time. Etymologically, Ummi is the natural state of being ignorant and unlearned, as when born by mother.  

So Ummah is the uneducated and unlettered mass of people who are ignorant of the scriptures and hence unable to find their way. The Ummah is in constant need of guidance. Imam, also from the same root, is one who leads the Ummah. This is basically the concept of sheep and shepherd. The entire community of Muslims is deemed to be sheep in need of shepherd.

The believer is supposed to do whatever other believers do and all of them are to blindly follow what the Imam tells them to do, and he in turn is supposed to instruct them with what Muhammad used to do.  

Right and wrong, good and bad are not appraised based on their own merits. Right is what Muhammad said or did and wrong is what he prohibited. In other words Muslims are not to judge Muhammad by norms of morality and commonsense but rather the standards of morality and commonsense are to be measured by Muhammad's deeds and words.  

This attitude exonerates Muslims from thinking. By following a uniform behavioral and thinking pattern the individual finds safety and comfort in the group.

Conformity is encouraged and independent thought is severely punished. Disagreeing with the majority can bring immense pain and hardship to the independent thinker.

Muslims are kept in line by pleasure/pain stimuli. By conforming they get rewarded. Their sycophantism is prized and it helps them to be accepted and cling to their social status. On the other hand independence of thought has sever consequences.

On psychological level the believer is terrorized with the fear of hell and lured by the promise of paradise. This psychological pressure is intended to numb the rational faculty of the believer and discourage him from ever wandering his mind on things that may shake his faith in the big lie. 

This is another important factor that has helped Islam to survive for so many centuries. Muslims are discouraged and do not dare to think independently. Breaking that pattern and rebelling against the conformity is so painful that the thought of that sends shiver down the spine of the believer. By thinking differently the believer could lose his wife, his family, his friends, his job, his status, his respect, his property, his freedom and even his life.

The fear of the society and the fear of the afterlife are two main reasons Islam has endured so long. This lie has never been challenged and as long as it remains unperturbed, it will stay unscathed. The longevity of a lie is not a proof that it is true. Islam has survived because of the fear factor and not because it is true.  

Socially, Islam contributes to the deindividuation of the believer. Deindividuation is a technical term for sheep mentality. This is a psychological state where sheep mentality is aroused when individuals join crowds or large groups.

Deindividuation is characterized by diminished awareness of self and individuality. In Islam individuality is completely denied and the individual's life is fused with Ummah. He is not only reduced to a virtual slave, he is actually called by that name. People, are called Ibaad, which literally means slaves.

Deindividuation reduces an individual's self-restraint and normative regulation of behavior. It contributes to collective behavior of violent crowds, mindless hooligans, and the lynch mob. Such behavior is particularly noticeable when the Ummah gets into the mosque and is roused by red faced speeches of the imams and mullahs calling upon them to curse the Jews and the infidels for “oppressing” the Muslims.

The individual is not allowed to question why. What is the proof of that oppression and why he should hate the Jews and the infidels? If a child ask that question he will be slapped on the face so he can learn this is an inappropriate question, but if an adult asks that question he could be in big trouble. 

Deindividuation has been also associated with other social phenomena such as genocide, stereotyping, and disinhibition. This explains the behavioral pattern of the believing/practicing Muslims. The mob lynching of the American contractors in Fallujah and the evisceration of the Israeli soldiers and gnawing on their hearts in Ramala are just two cases that were brought to public light because the victims were Americans and Israelis. But this behavior is not uncommon in Islam. In Iran thousands of Baha’is lost their lives to mob lynching. In Pakistan the same happens to those accused of violating the blasphemy law and insulting Muhammad. Muslims are often roused to hysteric levels, after listening to the sermons in their mosques, and become ready to commit murder.    

Ironically it is the brutality and the repressive nature of Islam, in conjunction with its absolute irrationality that has made this doctrine a successful religion and has allowed it to survive this long.

Islam cannot stand scrutiny. Muhammad knew perfectly that he is unable to answer the questions raised by his critics. Therefore he saw to it so no one dare question him ever. 

Even in the West if someone pronounces something critical of Islam, Muslims protest en masse and murder the westerners in Dar al Islam, claming that their "sensibility has been hurt". The idea is to intimidate you from criticizing their religion next time. They are fully aware that they can't answer answer your criticism and that means the end of Islam.   

Why Everyone Praised Muhammad? 

One question arises in the mind of the Muslims: Why all Muhammad's companions praised him so much? Why no one spoke opprobriously of him even after his death?

The answer is that In a society that is based on personality cult, speaking your mind is not easy. Telling the truth could bring you ostracism and even cost your life. People who think differently keep their thoughts to themselves. Instead the sycophants try to endear themselves by eulogizing the leader through flattery and exaggerated adulation. After the death of the cult leader, the sycophants add to their charade to gain prestige.  Even today the situation is not changed. People who dissent are afraid to talk and are persecuted; while the toadies are honored for writing eulogies about Muhammad. How can truth come out in this repressive and deceitful atmosphere? 

We have many stories about Muhammad ordering the assassination of those who criticized him and about Omar who was ever ready to withdraw his sword and slit the throat of one who questioned Muhammad’s authority. Muhammad encouraged sycophantism and punished criticism.

Therefore the secrets of Muhammad’s success are no secrets anymore. He succeeded because he told the biggest lie ever and because he was extremely ruthless towards those who questioned him and disagreed with him.

Muhammad succeeded also because he appeared among the most ignorant, the most superstitious and the most barbarous people. The qualities that he needed to bolster his marauding religion were all present among his early followers and later were imposed on others who fell prey to his cult. Chauvinism, bigotry, haughtiness, arrogance, megalomania, stupidity, greed, lust for sex, disrespect for life and other ignoble qualities such as these, that are the hallmark of Islam were already present as the materia prima in the Arabia where Muhammad launched his prophetic career. All he had to do was to invent a big lie and add some intolerance and some violence to create the most perfect religion of hate.    

This is why Islam has survived so far and not because it is a true religion.  

 

 

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Realization of the "Self" is possible only when someone is free to think on his/her own and act accordingly. The most heinous and barbaric crime in this world would be to stop an individual to think freely. And when such a crime is legalised in the form of a religion, one can easily imagine how disastrous it can be. Islam is such a religion.

Islam imposes a threat to the whole world which is far worse than deforestation, nuclear destruction or AIDS. It is an insidious, devilish disease creeping into the veins of the world. Every individual must realise the destructive and evil nature of this religion, for it eats away at the very foundation of humanity which is an individual's ability to think individually and act accordingly. The following articles logically analyse different aspects of this so called religion and bring forth the true nature of Islam.


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  3. The Excessive Kindness Of Islam
  4. Mohammed's High Regard For Women
  5. Mohammed - "A True Saint"
  6. Taj Mahal - A Hindu Temple-Palace
  7. Destruction Of Hindu Temples By Muslims - Part I
  8. Destruction Of Hindu Temples By Muslims - Part II
  9. Destruction Of Hindu Temples By Muslims - Part III
  10. Destruction Of Hindu Temples By Muslims - Part IV (The Epigraphic Evidence)
  11. Koran - The Ultimate Truth
  12. The X-Rated Paradise Of Islam
  13. Islamic Hell - Torture Chamber for Unbelievers
  14. The Violent Truth Behind The Sufi Mask
  15. Islam-Terrorism, Inc. - Part I
  16. Islam-Terrorism, Inc. - Part II
  17. Prophet Of Terror and "Religion Of Peace"-Part I
  18. Prophet Of Terror and "Religion Of Peace"-Part II
  19. Prophet Of Terror and "Religion Of Peace"-Part III
  20. Prophet Of Terror and "Religion Of Peace"-Part IV

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Thursday, September 24, 2009

Mohammad and the 6th Commandment

The commandment "thou shall not kill" (Exodus 20:13; Deuteronomy 5:17), is better understood to mean "you shall not murder." Most modern translations of the Bible rendered it this way.

According to the Bible not all killing, the taking of a life, is murder. Murder is the unlawfully taking of human life. The command not to murder applies to human beings, not to killing animals or plant life for food. God gave animals to mankind for his use (Genesis 1:26-30; 9:1-4). But, this does not mean that humans have the right mistreat animals and the environment (Genesis 2:15; Deuteronomy 22:6-7; 25:4; Proverbs 12:10).

Mohammad (PBUH) easily broke this commandment several times. I found a website that broke down some of Mohammad's (PBUH) murders, as there are just too many to research, and as such, I will just be cutting and pasting from: http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html

Mohammed, Prophet of Islam is known as the "Apostle of Peace" by Muslims. Nothing can be further from the truth.
This article is just one of a series that I will be publishing regarding sadistic cruel nature of Prophet Mohammed. In this article I will prove once again, that Mohammed was in fact a terrorist, criminal and murderer whose entire life was based on victimizing innocents and indulging in mindless violence, carnage and massacre. He was a man who destroyed peace wherever he went, and in its place brought terror, carnage and death.
When Mohammed first started screaming from the rooftops that he alone had the divine word of God, the people of Mecca ignored him. However, when he started insulting and defaming the religion of the peace loving Meccans, they couldn't take it anymore and tried persuading him to stop. Mohammed the coward was too scared of the growing hostility against him and instead of calling upon his Allah to strike down the Meccans, he crept out one night and fled for his life.
Ever since that incident, Mohammed was determined to take revenge on the Meccans. He escaped to Medinah, which had a sizeable Jewish population, and started plotting his revenge with a small gang of criminals. This was the beginning of Mohammed's trail of violence, hatred and bloodshed that would soon destroy the once flourishing culture of Arabia. The story has been documented in detail by his biographers, - surprise raids on trade caravans and tribal settlements, the use of plunder thus obtained for recruiting an ever growing army of greedy desperados, assassinations of opponents, blackmail, expulsion and massacre of the Jews of Medinah, attack and enslavement of the Jews of Khayber, rape of women and children, sale of these victims after rape, trickery, treachery and bribery employed to their fullest extent to grow the numbers of his religion Islam which ironically was supposed to mean "Peace"! He organised no less than 86 expeditions, 26 of which he led himself.
The motives of the converts to Islam was never in any doubt. As D.S. Margoliouth states in his book Muhammad and the rise of Islam
"Of any moralising or demoralising effect that Muhammad's teaching had upon his followers we cannot say with precision. When he was at the head of the Robber community, it is probable that the demoralising influence began to be felt; it was then that men who had never broken an oath learnt that they might evade their obligations, and that men to whom the blood of their clan had been as their own, began to shed it with impunity in the "cause of god". And that lying and treachery in the cause of Islam received divine approval. It was then too that Moslems became distinguished by the obscenity of their language. It was then too, that the coveting of goods and wives possessed by Non-muslims was avowed without discouragement from the Prophet...."
The details of all his criminal onslaughts in the form of battles and assasinations are chronicled in this article in a chronological manner. One should note that everytime the "Apostle of Peace" committed one of his criminal onslaughts, he always justified the crimes by quickly claiming a "divine revelation" which conveniently removed the blame from his bloodied hands. These convenient Suras are detailed immediately below the description of the incident.

1) Massacre of unarmed merchants during sacred month Date: Late January(Rejeb), 623 A.D.Place: NakhlaVictims: 4 Merchants from Quraysh tribe of Mecca, the Tribe to which Mohammed himself belonged

Four UNARMED merchants were travelling to Mecca to sell their goods consisting of raisins, honey and animal skins. It was the holy month of Rejeb which was considered sacred for trade in Arabia. It was a point of honor that any form of warfare or violence was strictly forbidden in this month. Mohammed's gang attacked the helpless men from behind and stabbed two of them to death. They plundered all the goods as booty and Mohammed got one fifths of the share.
This shows the utter lack of morals or scruples on Mohammed's part. The Prophet of Islam did not possess a shred of pity or kindness, or the slightest sense of justice. He cold-bloodedly murdered two innocent people who had never done him any harm and did not even know him! All this was done in a month that the Prophet himself declared was a sacred month in which no warfare should take place. Mohammed was obviously motivated by nothing but hatred and greed.

Conveniently divine revelations came down from Allah that absolved him of all the guilt.
Koran 2:216 "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

Here Mohammed is completely removing all blame from himself, for having started the fighting. The most insidious and devilish implication of this verse is that Allah is completely justifying Mohammed's murder of the innocent Meccans. Over and above this Mohammed is conveniently implying that warfare is hateful to him, but he participated in it because it was ordained by Allah! What sacrifices the "Apostle of Peace" had to make!

Koran 2:217 "They question you (O Mohammed) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great transgression but to turn men from the way of Allah and to disbelive in Him and the inviolable place of worship and to expel its people thence is a greater transgression, for persecution is worse than killing"

Here Allah is clearly saying that to kill or create warfare in the sacred month of Rejeb is a very grave offence, but to justify his own violation of Allah's rules, Mohammed comes up with the idea that since the people killed were unbelievers, it was perfectly okay! The reason given for the horrific murder of the innocent Meccans, is the fact that they did not believe in Mohammed's version of God. How much more tolerant and kind could the "Great Prophet" be!

2) Slaughter of Meccans who came to defend their caravans Date: March (Ramadan) 17, 623 A.DPlace: The well of BadrVictims: 70 merchants from Quraysh Tribe of Mecca, The Quraysh army which came to defend them

The merchandise being carried by this caravan was worth more than 50,000 Gold Dinars. Mohammed ganged up all the criminals of Medina and set out to raid the caravan with 300 men. The Meccans got word of the raid and sent out an army to protect the caravan. Throughout the entire battle Mohammad cowered in a hut which his men made for him. There he cried and prayed with feverish anxiety. At one point he came out of the hut and threw pebbles in the enemy's direction, screaming "Let evil look on your faces!" and "By him who holds my soul in his hands, anyone who fights for me today will go to paradise!" The Muslims killed over two hundred and took seventy prisoners. All seventy of the prisoners were ransomed, and any prisoner who did not fetch a ransom had his head chopped off.

Mohammed was gratified at the sight of his murdered victims. After the battle, he sent his followers to look for the corpse of Abu Jahal, one of the Meccans who had criticised him openly. When his corpse was found,they cut off the head and threw it down at Mohammed's feet. The "Apostle of peace" cried out in delirious joy, "Rejoice! Here lies the head of the enemy of Allah! Praise Allah, for there is no other but he!" The Prophet then ordered a great pit to be dug for the bodies of the innocents to be dumped. The Muslims then proceeded to hack the corpses limbs into pieces.

As the bloodied mass of bodies was being thrown into the pit, a feverishly excited Mohammed shreiked, " O People of the Pit, have you found that what Allah threatened is true now? For I have found that what my Lord promised was true! Rejoice All Muslims!" One of the prisoners taken was the defiant Al Nadr Ibn al Harith, who had earlier taken Muhammad's challenge of telling better stories than him. Muhammad ordered Ali to strike off Nadr's head in his presence, so he could watch and exult in the pleasure of beheading the man who had insulted him. Another prisoner Uqba ibn Abi Muait was decapitated in front of the Prophet. Before being killed the prisoner cried out pitifully "O Prophet, who will look after my children if I should die?" The "Great Prophet of the Religion of Peace" coldly spat out "Hellfire", as the blade came down and spattered his clothes with Uqba's blood.

This time Mohammed needed a revelation that would not only absolve him of all the guilt for murdering so many innocent people, but also give him the "divine" right to get a huge share of the plundered booty. Quite a few revelations magically appeared after the battle of Badr.
Koran 8:65 "O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast,they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence"

This Sura clearly exposes Islam to be a religion that not only encourages violence but actually makes it a sacred duty for Muslims to kill anyone who does not believe in the Muslim version of religion. Not only is the "All forgiving Allah" exhorting his followers to kill anyone who is not Muslim, but he is also saying that all non-Muslims are so stupid that they will be unable to defend themselves and therfore deserve death!

Koran 8:67-68 "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."

This verse is in reference to the prisoners that Mohammed held for ransom after the battle. Allah the "Merciful" is saying that they should all have been killed! In addition, Allah is conveniently commenting that whatever loot Mohammed has plundered is "lawful and good" because it was done in service to Allah. So murder, rape, plunder and destruction are all perfectly fine with Allah as long as they are done in the name of Islam! Mohammed is also insidiously making himself seem very kind for having spared the lives of the prisoners, when in fact he only let them live so he could get more money from the Ransom for them. In today's world this is called "Terrorism" of the worst kind.

3) Assasination of poets who criticised Mohammed's murderous waysDate: Late
March-April, 623 A.DPlace: MedinahVictims: Two of the most famous poets of Medinah, who had the courage to criticise the murderous actions of Mohammed and his gang

After the battle of Badr, the people of Medinah were horrified that they had given refuge to such a blatant criminal and his followers in their city. Many began protesting the presence of such violent and murderous people in their city. In a free society like Pre-Islamic Arabia, the poets acted as society's conscience and were free to criticise, satirize and examine the actions of people. The two most famous poets of this kind were Abu 'Afak; an extremely old and respected poet and Asma bint Marwan; a young mother with the gift of superb verse.

Muhammad was enraged at their criticism. When he heard the verses composed by Asma Bint Marwan he was infuriated and screamed aloud, "Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan!" That very night a gang of Muslims set out to do the dirty deed. They broke into the poets' house. She was lying in in her bedroom suckling her newborn child, while her other small children slept nearby. The Muslims tore the newborn infant off her breast and hacked it to pieces before her very eyes. They then made her watch the murder of all four of her children, before raping and then stabbing her repeatedly to death. After the murder when the Muslims went to inform the Prophet, he said "You have done a service to Allah and his Messenger, her life was not worth even two goats!"

A month later the distinguished and highly respected Abu Afak, who was over a hundred years old and reknowned for his sense of fairness, was killed brutally in the same manner as he slept. Once again the Prophet had commented that morning "Who will avenge me on this scoundrel!"
This shows us exactly how much the tolerant and peace loving Prophet respected life. Muslims claim that Mohammed was extremely gentle and loved children. Indeed the horrifying way he had Asma Bint Marwan's five infants slaughtered certainly attests to this "loving" side of the Prophet.

4) The Siege of the Banu QaynuqaDate: April, 623 A.DPlace: MedinahVictims: The Jewish Tribe of Banu Qaynuqa

In order to get full control of Medinah, Mohammed needed to get rid of all his opponents. The strongest of these opponents was Abdallah Ibn Ubayy, a powerful chief who was allied with the Jewish Tribe of Banu Qaynuqa. This tribe was also the weakest, because they were made up of craftsmen, in particular goldsmiths. By attacking them, Mohammed knew he could plunder a huge amount of wealth and weaken Ibn Ubayy. Mohammed needed an excuse to attack them so he made a girl married to one of his followers, pretend that she had been teased by the Jews. The Muslims blockaded the fort of the Banu Qaynuqa for fifteen days until the starving Jews surrendered. Immediately, the Prophet was ready to kill them all, but Ibn Ubayy seized hold of Mohammed and protested. Mohammed's face became black with rage as he shouted "Let go of me", but Ibn Ubayy was adamant and shouted back "No, by God, I will not let you go until you deal kindly with my allies. 400 men without armour and 300 with, who have always supported me against enemies. And you want to slay them all in one morning! By God, If I were in your place I would fear a reversal of fortune"

At this threat, the cowardly Mohammed turned pale, as he realised that all the people of Medinah were against him. He hit Ibn Ubayy on the face and ordered that the Jews be kicked out of their own homes. All their property was seized and looted, many of the prettiest women were taken as prisoners to become sex-slaves. Mohammed kept one-fifths of the enormous booty for himself. This is the way he repayed the kindness of the Jews of Medina, who had given him shelter and a refuge, when Mohammed had run away from Mecca in fear.

The revelations in the Eighth Sura of the Koran were clearly in reference to the Banu Qaynuqa and anyone who opposed the Muslims.

(Koran 8:55-57) "Lo, the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful who will not believe." "Those of them with whom you made a treaty and then at every opportunity they break their treaty and they keep not duty to Allah, If you come on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, so that they may remember."

Here Mohammed's acts of planned terrorism against the Jewish Tribe is justified by Allah, because according to the "Merciful" Allah, Non-Muslims are the worst of BEASTS! So it is perfectly all right to murder, rape, torture and pillage the non-believers! Not only that but Allah is advising Mohammed and the Muslims that when anyone protests against the injustices committed by Muslims, the Muslims should make sure and deal with them with such violence, that it will strike fear among anyone who may think of supporting dissent. This proves that the Koran is nothing but a political manual for controlling people with terror. Not even the fascist armies of Hitler engineered such devilish ideas.

The above are just a few of the incidents that demonstrate the intolerant and merciless nature of the inhuman acts committed by Mohammed and the Muslims. Further articles in this series will reveal more of Prophet Mohammed's heinous, sadistic and cruel crimes against humanity.
In the second part of this article, let us continue with the chornological account of how Prophet Mohammed perpetrated the Islamic ideals of violence, destruction and terror. Again, all of the incidents that I have cited are not only supported by famous historians and biographers but also by the ultimate testament to Mohammed's crimes-- The "Glorious" Koran.

5) Battle of Uhud Date: 21 March, 625 A.DPlace: Mount UhudVictims: The Quraysh and their Allies

The people of Mecca were outraged at the massacre of their kinsmen in the Battle of Badr by Mohammed and his army. They had to fight back in order to defend themselves, so they gathered up an army and set out on the march to Medinah. Unlike the Prophet's terrorist methods, they adhered to their precepts of honrable warfare and forewarned Mohammed of their advance.

Mohammed set out with his motley crew of hundreds of murderers, rapists, robbers and sadists. When Mohammed tried forcing the Jews of Medinah to join him, they adamantly refused, knowing fully well the true character of the tyrant. Mohammed and his men camped on the slopes of Mount Uhud, above the camp of the Meccan Army. In his usual insidious manner, the Prophet was too cowardly to fight in an honorable manner and planned to attack before dawn as the Meccans were asleep. The Muslims were too incompetent to implement even this plan properly and ended up alerting the Meccans during the surprise attack.

At this point the Meccans gathered up their weapons and engaged the Muslims in full combat. Mohammed as usual cowered in the background surrounded by his bunch of bodyguards. From time to time he would scream out "Who will become a martyr for Allah" and "Which of you will sell himself for us", exhorting his army with promises of paradise if they fought for him. The Muslims however were no match for the Meccans. Most of them started running for their lives by clambering up the sides of Mount Uhud, at which Mohammed started swearing like a mad man. Mohammed's uncle Hamzah was killed and when the Prophet started backing away in fear for his own life, a brave Meccan charged forward and struck him with a tremendous blow to the head and shoulder. At the sight of his own blood, Mohammed began screaming hysterically and had to be carried away by his bodyguards.

It was only by a stroke of extreme luck that Mohammed survived. His Army was badly defeated and the people of Medinah started asking that if this man was indeed a Messenger of God, then why had God not given the Muslims victory.

To make up for the extreme embarassment of this defeat Mohammed came up with more "divine revelations" that were obviously excuses for the thorough thrashing that his men and ego had suffered at Uhud. In addition to this, the furious Prophet came up with revelations that were to threaten the Muslims who had fled the battle and left the "Apostle of Peace" to fend for himself. The man was so obsessed with his own ego that he made any action that went against his power a crime. Any Muslim who did not treat Mohammed like God would be punished severely. The Third Chapter of the Koran is full of these references to the Battle of Uhud:

Koran 3:140-1 "And if ye have recieved a blow, the disbelievers have recieved a blow the like thereof. These are the vicissitudes which We cause to follow one another for mankind, to the end that Allah may know those who believe and may choose witnesses from among you; and Allah loveth not wrong-doers. And that Allah may prove those who believe and may strike the disbelievers."

Here Mohammed's Allah is conveniently making excuses for the severe defeat of the Muslims, by saying that, although the Muslims suffered huge losses, the Meccans also suffered losses. It looks like Mohammed's Allah cannot count, because the Meccan deaths numbered less than 20, wheras the number of Muslims killed amounted to over a hundred. In addition to this Allah conveniently bails out Mohammed yet again, by explaining away the total decimation of the Muslim Army, with the excuse that it was a "Trial" for the Muslims. This Surah also makes very clear the reason why Muslims everywhere bring nothing but death and destruction. The Allah of Islam is asking his followers to PROVE their loyalty by going out and killing unbelievers. And who were those Unbelievers? Any innocent person who did not agree to Mohammed's twisted version of religion. Therefore this Surah is simply legalizing MURDER and even giving it Divine Justification. A religion based on such principles can only be embraced by people of the most inhumane, cruel and barbarous nature.

Koran 3:153 "When you climbed the hill and paid no heed, while the Messenger (Mohammed) in your rear was calling you to fight. Therefore he rewarded you grief for his grief that he might teach you, not to sorrow either for that which you missed or for that which befell you. Allah is informed of what you do."

Here Mohammed is lashing out at the Muslims who ditched him and ran up Mount Uhud for their lives. Mohammed is so deluded with his sense of self-importance, that in this Surah, he tells the Muslims that deserting "the Messenger" (Mohammed) is the same as deserting Allah! The "Great Prophet" is equating himself with the Supreme power itself. Allah is so furious at this crime of deserting the great Mohammed that he punished the Muslims by killing off so many of their kinsmen. This is indeed the most despicable form of blackmail that Mohammed used upon his followers.

In short, they were told that anyone who doesn't protect Mohammed with his own life, will be punished by Allah in the form of his family and tribesmen being killed by divine will. Here Mohammed is hitting two birds with one stone, in one single gesture, he threatens his followers with blackmail and removes the blame for the massive defeat, by claiming that Muslims died because Allah was punishing the ones who deserted Mohammed and NOT because the Meccans were far superior in warfare. There can be nothing more insidious than such type of deceit.

6) Murder of a Jewish poet Date: Late March 625 A.D.Place: Fortress of Banu-N-Nadir, outside MedinahVictims: Kaab Ibn Al' Ashraf

Among the Jewish tribe of Banu-N-Nadir, was an eminent poet by the name of Kaab Ibn Al' Ashraf. He was an extremely famous and cultured poet who was considered a genius of verse.He had composed a lament about the Qurayshites who had been so unjustly massacred in the battle of Badr. One day the Prophet proclaimed in his usual sweet manner " Who will rid me of the dog Kaab Ibn Al Ashraf?". A certain Muhammad Bin Maslama replied that he would do it, adding "We shall have to tell lies to do it".

Inevitably the Prophet immediately gave the divine authority to lie as necessary. Muhammad Maslama bribed the foster brother of Kaab, a man called Silkan, who was a Muslim. The following night Kaab was visited by his loving foster brother and spent a pleasant evening reciting poetry. Needless to say, after dark, Kaab was dragged out of his bed screaming, and stabbed repeatedly by Muhammad Maslama, Silkan and two other devout Muslims, in full view of his young wife to be. Indeed what a great example of kindness and tolerance, was the Prophet of Islam!

7) Invasion of Banu-N-NadirDate: May-June 625 A.DPlace: Fortress of Banu-N-Nadir, outside MedinahVictims: The entire Jewish tribe of Banu-N-Nadir

The Jewish Tribe of Banu-N-Nadir was outraged at the assassination of their greatest poet Kaab Ibn Al' Ashraf. The fact that one of the greatest literary figures of their Tribe had been mercilessly murdered, simply because he wrote some words that criticised Mohammed, was a cause of immense rage. Even then they were gracious enough to lend money to Mohammed when he came begging at their doors for financing of loans to be paid back. Mohammed the power crazed maniac however had many ulterior motives. The sight of the wealth possessed by the Banu- N-Nadir whipped up a frenzy of jealousy inside him. In his envious hatred, he devised a diabolical plot to get rid of the Tribe and rob them of their wealth. The Prophet claimed that Allah himself had come down and revealed that the Tribe of Banu-N-Nadir hated him and were hatching a conspiracy to assasinate the Prophet. The Nadir were amazed when out of the blue a Muslim messenger arrived at their oasis with the message from the "Holy Apostle of Peace" himself. The message was worded in the usual brutal manner: "Leave MY city and live here no longer after the treason which you have plotted against me."

The Nadir were outraged, but being a peace loving people they decided the best thing to do was to shut themselves up in their fortress and prepare to defend themselves. Immediately Mohammed surrounded them with his Army of murderers and sat down outside in the familiar wooden hut surrounded by his usual bunch of bodyguards. When the Nadir made no move to fight, the "All Benevolent Angel of Mercy" started cutting down every single palm tree in the oasis. In a desert environment like Arabia, this act was equivalent to Mass Murder, considering how hard it was to grow food. The Nadir could not bear to see their oasis destroyed so mercilessly and came out to surrender. Mohammed who was still cowering behind his bodyguards screamed out :

"Leave this place, you have your lives"

The Peace loving Tribe which had carefully tended their land and made it the oasis that it was, were thrown out at sword point, and stripped of all their belongings. They had to flee for their lives to Khayber another Jewish settlement, which in future course would also be destroyed by the "Apostle of Peace". All the rich booty and land was grabbed by the savage Muslims, but the largest amount of land and most of the loot went as always to the "Epitome of Justice" Prophet Mohammed.

As usual a stream of Divine revelations followed.

Koran 59:2-5
"He it is who hath caused those of the People of the Scripture (Jews) who disbelieved to go forth from their homes unto the first exile. You deemed not that they would go forth, while they deemed that their strongholds would protect them from Allah. But Allah reached them from a place whereof they recked not and cast terror in their hearts so that they ruined their houses with their own hands and the hands of the believers. So learn a lesson, O you who have eyes!

"And if Allah had not decreed migration for them, he verily would have punished them in this world and theirs in the hereafter is the punishment of the Fire!"
"That is because they were opposed to Allah and his Messenger ; and whoso is opposed to Allah (for him) verily Allah is stern in reprisal."

"Whatsoever palm-trees you cut down or left standing on their roots, it was by Allah's leave, in order that He might confound the Evil-Livers."

Here the Great Allah again comes to Mohammed's rescue and declares that ALL the crimes and atrocities that were committed against the innocent Tribe of Banu-N-Nadir were justified by the Divine word of the "All Merciful Allah". Not only that but Allah decrees that the Jews DESERVED to be thrown out of their homeland, simply because:

They were not Muslim

They were opposed to Mohammed (The fact that he mercilessly assassinated their innocent Poet for daring to criticise him may have had something to do with it!)
They were on Prime land and had a huge amount of wealth which the Prophet of Greed wanted.
Over and above this, cutting down Palm Trees was considered a capital crime by the Arabs, so Mohammed had to have Allah give him a nice and tidy excuse for having committed this atrocity.

Lastly the Prophet is making it very clear here as to who is the boss. If anyone opposed Mohammed, it meant he opposed Allah and all Muslims had to KILL anyone who opposed Allah.

So the Final Equation remained the same
Oppose Mohammed= Oppose Allah ==> Get murdered by Muslims .

Again we have come a full circle to the fundamental and central guiding principles of Islam : Intolerance, Hatred, Murder and Brutality.

Stay tuned for the next elaboration on how Mohammed spread the "Light of Peace" by murdering, torturing, looting and raping Non-Muslims in Arabia ; A Holy Example which to this day is followed piously by Devout Muslims all over the World.


In the Third Part of this series on Mohammed's life, I will be focusing on three events that define the nature of Islam's foundations. At this stage, Mohammed had gained power through his assassinations, looting, massacares and raping. The Jewish Tribes of Medinah had been inhabitants of that city for centuries before the Prophet decided to make it the headquarters of his criminal activities.

All the Jews were becoming increasingly dissatisfied and angered at the deeds of the Muslims. The Jewish Tribes were peace-loving, hard working tradespeople, whose purpose in life was to earn a decent living through honest means and hard effort. They were perfectly content with the religion of their forefathers and had never anticipated that the man to whom they had given shelter so graciously, would turn into the power crazed monster who was now turning around to attack them. Mohammed was in the position to carry out his hidden ambitions, which became clear soon enough.

With the utmost disregard for all human morality, ethics, or respect for human life, the Prophet of Islam systematically targeted and slaughtered the very Jews of Medinah who had helped him when everyone else in Arabia was kicking him like a dog. He was motivated by these primary reasons

His fanatic greed for all the wealth that had been created by the blood, sweat and toil of the Jews
His maniacal craving for power at any cost. The Jews were the biggest obstacle in his plan to subjugate all of Medinah, so they had to be removed, by any means possible
His fear of all other religions. Mohammed was a delusional Megalomaniac, meaning he believed that he was the Supreme Ruler of the world. Anything that threatened this sick fantasy of his, had to be exterminated. Since, the religion of the Jews rejected his pathetic claims to Divine rule, they were the targeted victims in Medinah, just as the Polytheistic Arabs had been his victims in Mecca.

The incidents narrated below demonstrate the horrific depth of Mohammed's atrocities. Keep in mind that Mohammed is the Model of Good Islamic behaviour and you will realise how Islam advocates genocide in the name of religion.

8) Murder of a Jewish Elder from KhaybarDate: Late April 626 A.D.Place: The Jewish Oasis of KhyberVictims: Abu Rafi

The Muslims who had murdered Kaab Ibn Al Ashraf the famous poet of the Banu-N-Nair (See Prophet of Terror & the "Religion of Peace"

Part 2) were considered as heroes by Mohammed and his followers. Murderers were considered as ideal Muslims. A group of Muslims from the Khazraj Tribe decided to prove their loyalty to their Prophet by killing off a respectable member of the Jewish Community. Abu Rafi was an elderly man who had never done anything against Mohammed or the Muslims. He just happened to be the unfortunate target of Mohammed's plot to terrorize the Jews.

The Prophet wanted to send out a message to the Jews, which spelt out clearly that Mohammed was in control of their lives. The "expedition" to kill the poor old helpless man had the specific blessings of the "Merciful" Prophet. About Six of them broke into the Old man's house in the middle of the night and slashed him to ribbons as he slept. The cowardly Muslims always assassinated people in this way, while the victim slept, obviously because they had neither the courage nor the strength to fight even a solitary, aged Jewish Man while he was awake. After their crime, the Muslims fled back home into the arms of their expectant Prophet. There was a fight among them as to who had actually killed Abu Rafi. At this, the Prophet smiled beatifically and started checking their swords.

Finally, it was decided that the person who owned the sword which still had traces of food in it, was the winner. Apparently Abu Rafi had just finished his dinner before falling asleep and the sword had slashed through his stomach spilling its contents. Indeed how Benevolent was the Apostle of Peace!

9) Massacre, Rape and Plunder of Banu-L-MustaliqDate: December 626 A.D.Place: The well of Muraysi near Red SeaVictims: The Tribe of Banu-L-Mustaliq

Mohammed attacked the Banu-L-Mustaliq because of their wealth. In a surprise raid, the Muslims drove them to the Sea. They slaughtered many members of the Banu-N-Mustaliq Tribe and looted away a booty of 2000 Camels, 5000 Sheep and 500 Women! 500 women were captured screaming and crying after they had watched their husbands and sons being slaughtered. The most beautiful captive was Juwayriyya, daughter of the chief of the Banu-L-Mustaliq. Mohammed snatched her to satisfy his own animal lust. The captured women were supposed to be returned by the Muslims upon payment of a ransom. But the night after the battle itself, Mohammed and his army raped each and every one of them. One of the men Abu

Sa'id Khudri of Mohammed's army reported :
"We were lusting after women and chastity had become too hard for us, but we wanted to get the ransom money for our prisoners. So we wanted to use the "Azl" (Coitus Interruptus- where the man withdraws before ejaculating)...We asked the Prophet about it and he said: "You are not under any obligation to stop yourselves from doing it like that.." Later on the women and children were given for ransom to their envoys. They all went away to their country and not One wanted to stay although they had the choice.."

So the Great Prophet of Peace told his men it was perfectly FINE to rape women as long as you didn't ejaculate inside them (which made them pregnant). What supreme logic! Any human being with the slightest shred of morality has to be nauseated by this Man and the religion he preached. Mohammed, the supreme religious figurehead of Islam sanctions RAPE, pure and simple. Not only did the Muslims commit this horrifying crime, they decieved the Tribesmen into paying Ransom for their womenfolk, who only paid the money in a desperate attempt to save their women's honor. To call such a Prophet and his followers the epitome of Evil is probably an understatement.

10) Massacre of the Banu -QurayzaDate: April-May 627 A.D.Place: MedinahVictims: The Last Jewish Tribe left in Medinah The Banu-Qurayza.

By this time, Mohammed had murdered or driven out all of the Jewish Tribes of Medinah, except the Banu Qurayza. It was time to eliminate this last thorn in his flesh. The Banu Qurayza had been reluctant in helping Mohammed against the Quraysh. Conveniently once again, Mohammed claimed that he had divine knowledge about a conspiracy by the Banu-Qurayza to kill him. He beseiged their fortress for Twenty-Five days. When the starving Tribe surrendered, Mohammed forced an old man from their own Tribe to pronounce Mohammed's sentence. The sentence was death to every male member of the Tribe, Slavery for every woman and child and Plunder of all their property.

The Prophet had an immense trench dug around the main market of Medinah. The men of the Banu Qurayza were rounded up & their hands twisted tightly behind them. Then one by one, they were shoved to the edge of the trench and forced to kneel. They were offered a last chance to convert to "The True Faith" and if they refused, had their heads chopped off. As soon as one head would roll off, the corpse would be kicked into the ditch, and so it went. By the time Dawn had colored the sky red in Medinah, hundreds of corpses piled up in a heap in a tangled cesspool of blood, hair and shreds of flesh. Despite the horrific end in front of their eyes, none of the Jews chose to convert to Islam and faced death valiantly. The blood of 900 innocent Jews stained Mohammed's hands on that black day.

Their only crime was that they chose to retain their fundamental human right, of choosing their own God and the religion of their ancestors. Hysterical women & children screamed as they watched their fathers, husbands & sons die. The majority of them were raped savagely and then bundled off to be sold as "used goods". The Prophet had the husband of the Jewess Raihana Bint Amr hacked to pieces before her very eyes, hours after he had murdered her father. No doubt this was the Prophet's perverted version of a wedding present, because after these atrocities he raped the mortified girl and tried to force her to convert to Islam.

Muslim historians still describe the savage rape of Raihana Bint Amr as her "willing submission to Islam and wifehood to the Prophet"

Apparently according to them it is very natural to imagine that a woman who has just seen her husband, father, brothers and Tribe slaughtered violently before her very eyes, would CHOOSE to convert to the religion of the murderer and marry him! In actual fact Raihana REFUSED to convert to Islam and also refused to marry Mohammed the murderer of her family. He kept her as a lowly concubine all his life. So much for the "Apostle of Peace" and his unbounded RESPECT for women. Mohammed was nothing but a serial rapist, who acquired his victims by killing their families first.

Allah as usual has provided yet another timeless Divine revelation which gives his Prophet the Right to rape and torture women of other religions.

Koran 4:24
"And all married women are forbidden unto you EXCEPT those captives whom your right hand possesses. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that you seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery..."

In short Allah the All Merciful is saying "Hey Muslims, it's a crime to go after married women, but IF they happen to be your captives (which obviously all the non-Muslim women were) feel free to indulge yourself in rape and sexual torture of them. "lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned" Allah is making it LEGAL for Muslims to go ahead and rape Non-Muslim women by Divine Law!

One shudders to imagine what kind of minds invented such utterly sadistic and disgusting ideas.
Mohammed justified all his crimes against the Jews with more of Allah's revelations. Although the following Surahs were not revealed at the same time as the Massacre of Banu Quraizyah, they nevertheless give a general idea of the Prophet's views on Jews and why it is perfectly fine to kill, loot and rape them.

Koran 5:51O you who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is one of them. Lo allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

Koran 5:64The Jews say: "Allah's hand is fettered." It is THEIR hands that are fettered and they are ACCURSED for saying so. Nay, but both his (Allah's) hands are spread in bounty. He bestoweth as he will. That which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and belief of many of them, And We have cast among them (The Jews) Enmity and Hatred till the day of Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for war, Allah extinguishes it!

The above verses clearly demonstrate the Muslim's hatred of Jews as prescribed by their Prophet. They also expose the hollow claims of Muslims, about Islam being a peaceful religion that always co-existed with Judaism and Christanity. The innumerable, unwarranted massacres of Jews by Mohammed, tell this story in the clearest terms. These historical events form the basis of the Islamic code of behaviour. Therefore the recent genocide of Hindus, Christians and Jews by Muslims all over the world should come as no surprise whatsoever.
Next week we will explore more such exploits of the "Apostle of Peace" and assess the depth of the darkness into which he had flung the Land of Arabia.


In my last article, I articulated the three main motivations of Mohammed's heinous actions. To reiterate, these reasons were:

His fanatic greed for all the wealth that had been created by the blood, sweat and toil of the Jews
His maniacal craving for power at any cost. The Jews were the biggest obstacle in his plan to subjugate all of Medinah, so they had to be removed, by any means possible
His fear of all other religions. Mohammed was a delusional Megalomaniac, meaning he believed that he was the Supreme Ruler of the world. Anything that threatened this sick fantasy of his, had to be exterminated. Since, the religion of the Jews rejected his pathetic claims to Divine rule, they were the targeted victims in Medinah, just as the Polytheistic Arabs had been his victims in Mecca.

As the frequency of his criminal raids and attacks on Jews, Christians and Pagan Arabs increased to a fever pitch, Mohammed's megalomania began evidencing itself more openly. He started implementing his systematic objectives of completely suppressing all opposition around Medinah and plundering as much wealth as he could get his hands on, in order to support his final thrust of attacking Mecca.

11) Massacre of Jewish TribesmenDate: February 628 A.DPlace: Outskirts of MedinahVictims: Banu Sa'd Tribe, Thirty Jews from Khaybar

Mohammed was forcing all the tribes around Medinah to make alliances with him and consider him as the primary power in the area. Any tribe who refused to bow down to the Muslim's terrorist tactics, was immediately subjected to extreme torture and death. Banu Sa'd was a peaceful tribe which was allied with the Jewish Tribesmen of the prosperous oasis of Khaybar. Mohammed was pathological in his fear of opposition. Having murdered all the Jews in and around Medinah, who could pose a potential threat to his rabid bid for power, the Prophet of Islam now was turning his attention to the only possible threat in the area, Khaybar. The Jews of Khaybar had remained neutral when the Meccans had planned a counterattack on Medinah. This enraged Mohammed all the more and fuelled his savage desire to destroy them and tribes like the Banu Sa'd that was linked to them. He sent out a terrorist group of assassins led by Ali. The expedition massacred hundreds of innocent Banu Sa'd tribespeople. They raped all the women and children and stole 500 camels and 2000 goats and sheep.

A unit of thirty murderous assassins were hand-picked by the Epitome of Mercy, to infiltrate the sorrounding areas of Khaybar as well. They disguised themselves as Emissaries of PEACE from Mohammed. The Jewish Leader, Usayr Ibn Razim agreed in the interest of peace to accompany them back to the Prophet. He set out with thirty of his men, following the Muslims. As soon as they were out of sight of Khaybar, the muslims fell upon the innocent and hapless Jews and chopped them into pieces. Upon returning Mohammed himself came out to greet his assassins. He embraced the leader of the expedition and exclaimed " It was Allah surely, who saved you from the company of the oppressive non-believers".

The above example should amply demonstrate what a man of honour, the great Mohammed was. Indeed it can only be a truly pious person who would trick people with an offer of peace and cold-bloodedly MURDER them. Mohammed's intense hatred for the thorns in his flesh, namely the Jews, began manifesting itself in the spate of vitriolic Revelations, that he conjured up to justify his atrocities on the Jews.

Koran 5:64
"The Jews say: "Allah's hand is tied up". Be their hands tied up and be they ACCURSED for the blasphemy that they utter. Nay, Both his hands (Allah's) are widely outstretched: He giveth and Spendeth as he Pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to Thee (Mohammed) from Allah increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them we have placed ENMITY and HATRED till the day of Judgement. Every time they kindle the fire of War, Allah doth extinguish it; But they ever strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not people who do mischief."

The bit about Jews saying "Allah's hand is tied up" is referring to their protest at the fact that Mohammed and the Muslims had taken control of all the wealth. The Jews who had initially helped the Muslims, when they had nothing, now had every morsel of food snatched from them. The sarcastic comment therefore referred to the fact that it seemed like Allah's hands were tied when it came to providing even a meagre sustenance for the starving, oppressed Jews, at the mercy of the pious band of criminals of Allah. But even more pathetic is Mohammed's claim that the reason the Jews were acting so damned rebellious and obstinately opposing the Muslims, was that they were JEALOUS that Allah had hand-picked Mohammed to get his murderous revelations. This is laughably incredulous and mortifying considering the fact that Mohammed pieced together so many of his Koranic revelations, by distoring and twisting parts of the Jewish and Christian scriptures. Even more repugnant is the fact that a Prophet claiming to be the Messenger of a supposedly all beneficient and Merciful God, wishes nothing but ENMITY, HATRED, EVIL and CURSES on the Jews. Do such emotions sound like the wishes of a religious figure that preaches PEACE??? The Prophet of Islam was nothing but a wellspring of malice, hatred and blind poisonous jealousy.

12) Murder of Bedouins in and Meccans on the road to SyriaDate: January- February 628 A.D.Place: Dumat-Al-Jandal, a trading center enroute to Syria, The Well of Qarda at Nejed

Victims: Bedouin women, Meccan Caravan

Zayd Ibn Haritha, the adopted son of the Prophet who divorced his wife, so that his Good Old Dad could have the pleasure, was sent to attack traders in Syria. The Bedouins who were also trading at the outpost, got wind of the Muslims nefarious plans, took up arms and drove away the would-be raiders. Zayd was furious that his plans had been foiled so successfully. He targeted an elderly woman of the same Bedouin Tribe, because she exerted considerable influence and wealth.

On a dark moonless night, the aged 90 year old woman was grabbed ruthlessly from her tent. She was tied up and trussed like a chicken and brought back to the Muslim camp. Upon arrival she was gang raped and molested by the pious followers of Allah. She was whipped and beaten to an almost lifeless pulp. The sadistic impulses of the Muslims however did not end there, the night's entertainment was not done yet. The eerie desert night, suddenly resounded with the cheers and throaty cries of bloodlust as the Bedouin matron's arms and legs were tied to four camels. Zayd and three others of Mohammed's select group, then climbed onto each camel and drove each one into opposite directions. As the wrinkled body was ripped apart in a blur of torn and bloodied flesh, cries of delight echoed all around. Such were the entertainment activities of the Peace loving followers of Allah.

Soon after at the Well of Qarda in Nejed, Zayd along with 170 men attacked a hapless trade caravan of Meccans who were returning from Syria. They massacred most of the traders and took two of the men prisoner. But most important of all, the Muslims grabbed a sizeable booty from this cold blooded massacre. They plundered more than a hundred thousand dirhems from this raid. It is no wonder then, that Zayd Ibn Haritha was an "Exalted Martyr". According to Mohammed himself "And Zayd, the Freedman of Muhammad, counted his freedom as naught compared with the service of Muhammad and Islam."

All of these activities, were of course, motivated by the divine words of Wisdom, spoken by the Messenger of Allah.

Koran 5:33
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land Is: Execution, or Crucifixion, or the Cutting and Removing Off of hands and feet from OPPOSITE sides, or exile from the land: That is their disgrace in this world and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter."
The gruesome spectacle of the Bedouin woman being torn apart, now makes sense. The act was DIRECTLY sanctioned by Allah himself in this Revelation. The plunder and and massacre of the Meccans too, were completely pious Islamic acts as the following verse evidences:

Koran 5:33
" And many gains will they (Pious Muslims) acquire besides, and Allah is Exalted in Power, full of Wisdom. Allah has promised you many gains that ye shall Acquire and he has given you these beforehand; and he has restrained the hands of Men from you; so that it may be a sign for the Believers and that he may guide you to a Straight Path. And other gains there are, which are not within your power now, but which Allah has compassed for you and Allah has Power over all things."

Allah is giving his kind blessings to the merciful and pure Muslims, to go out and PLUNDER and acquire as many "Gains" as their hearts desire. But Allah's bribes are far more quantitative, he is generous to a fault and will not stop there. Allah is giving his beloved Muslims assurance, that there will be Far more Wealth to plunder in the future. Not only that, Allah will "restrain the hands" of Men from harming the Muslims, so that they can keep on raping, pillaging and murdering throughout the land. Allah surely knows how to give Muslims a good deal in exchange for all the blood that they will shed for him and the messenger of Peace.

13) Slaughter of all Jews in KhaybarDate: September 628 A.DPlace: Khaybar and surrounding areasVictims: Over 500 Jews of Khaybar

Khaybar was the wealthiest Oasis in the Hejaz. The settlement of neutral Jews who inhabited the Oasis were known for their business acumen. Over the years, they had by their own efforts, sweat and toil converted the small Oasis into a flourishing Trade Center of agricultural goods.

They were renowned for their extreme generosity, good naturedness and peacability. In other words, the small jewel of a town was like the juiciest piece of meat, which a Vulture like Mohammed could never resist. Mohammed could no longer control his slavering desire to attack Khaybar. His immense greed for the fabulous wealth of the Oasis had overwhelmed him. He had been systematically eradicatiing all the potential tribes that could support Khaybar. Allies of the Khaybar Jews, like the Bedouin Tribe of Ghatafan and the Jewish Tribe of Banu S'ad had been cold bloodedly eliminated and exhorted so that Khaybar would be without friends. The Prophet set out with 1600 men and laid siege to the Oasis. Although greatly outnumbered, the brave Jews fought bravely and staved off the bloodthirsty Mob of Muslims, for over 14 days. In the end the sheer disadvantage of numbers and the starving state of their children forced the Jews to surrender.

They emerged with all their, weapons, foodstuffs and wealth, pleading only for the lives of themselves and their families. Instead the Exalted Messenger of Peace, instructed his army to do exactly as they pleased. The frenzied Muslims pounced upon the helpless Jews and murdered every man they could lay their hands on. Women and children were raped brutally and repeatedly . The Prophet led the way as usual. His eye had fallen upon the most beautiful captive in Khaybar, a Jewess called Safia Bint Huyay. As she stood there traumatised and anguished at having just witnessed her father and fiancee being hacked to pieces, the Prophet threw his cloak on her to claim as his booty. Minutes later he savagely consummated his "marriage" to her in a sand dune with the blood and gore of Jihad still covering him, even Saifya's father's blood, no doubt. There was no time for a sponsor, dowry, sending out invitations, or a wedding feast, in fact, Muhammed forgot his own law of waiting until her next monthly period had passed.

Today we call that rape, but according to the Prophet of Allah, he was just securing her with the bonds of "holy Matrimony". Indeed the Prophet had committed himself to saving widows in need by marrying them! The remaining women and children who were rounded up were traded in the slave market or retained to be brought up as brainwashed sex slaves, professing Islam.

Allah's Divine Injunctions had naturally preceded the carnage at Khaybar. As usual the Merciful Allah condoned the slaughter, plunder and rapine committed by Mohammed and his band. :

Koran 33:26
"And those of the People of the Book (Jews) who Aided Them (Meccans) - Allah did take them from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts, so that Some Ye Slew and Some Ye made Prisoners. And he made you heirs of their Lands, their Houses, and their Goods. And of a Land, which Ye had not frequented before (Khaybar) and Allah has Power over all things."

Koran 2:222
"They ask Thee concerning Women's courses. Say to them: "They are a Hurt and a Pollution: So keep away from women in their courses (menstrual periods) and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they are purified, Ye may approach them in any manner, time or place. Ordained for you by Allah, for Allah loves those who turn to him constantly and he loves those who keep themselves Pure and Clean."

As mentioned above, Mohammed himself had received this "Revelation" that Muslims shouldn't be having sex with women whose monthly period had not passed.
Mohammed of course had outright violated the above rule himself, when he raped Safiya in a beautiful Islamic Wedding ceremony at Khaybar. The Prophet of Wisdom was in a fix. He had no justification for violation of a rule, that he himself had claimed was set by Allah. The only solution was of course, the timely production of some Revelation that would save his ass. Allah in his typical meek and patient manner, was only too happy to oblige. Out spewed two Verses, directly from the quivering Holy Messenger's mouth.
Koran 66:1-2

"O Prophet! Why holdest Thou to be forbidden That which Allah has made Lawful to Thee? Thou seekest to Please Thy consorts. But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Allah has already ORDAINED for you (Mohammed), the DISSOLUTION OF YOUR OATHS, in some cases and Allah is your Protector; and he is full of Knowledge and Wisdom."
Not to mention Allah exhibits an unhealthy pattern of complying with Mohammed's wishes and providing verses that bail him out each time.

With the Conquest of Khaybar, Mohammed was now in exactly the position he desired. He had subjugated all the Tribes around Medinah. He had massacred any significant opposition that may have threatened him, and he had plundered enough wealth to win him hosts of converts willing to kill anything for Booty. He was poised at the threshold of carrying out his heart's dearest desire; that of attacking and conquering Mecca. But, he would learn his lessons before the realisation of those dreams. In my next article, I will expound further on these lessons and events.

Thursday, September 17, 2009

Mohammad and the 5th Commandment:

The Fifth Commandment: Honor thy Mother and thy Father

The case can be made that the Ten Commandments were listed in order of their importance. If that is true, then this is the most vital of the ones that govern relationships between people. The word for “honor” is the Hebrew kabad, which at its root means “to be heavy, or to make weighty.”

We are not to take our relationship with our parents lightly, but rather we are to respect them, hold them in esteem, and take their instructions very seriously. Paul provides the practical application when he simply instructs children to “obey their parents in (or “out of respect for”) Yahweh, for this is right.” (Ephesians 6:1)

A) Mohammad’s father Abdullah (Slave to Allah before Allah was Mohammad’s god):

1) Abdullah’s Childhood

Ishaq:67 "When Abdul Muttalib had ten sons grown to maturity and he knew that they would protect him, he told them of his vow, and called on them to keep faith with Allah in this matter. They expressed their obedience, and asked what they should do. He replied, 'Let every one of you take an arrow, write his name on it, and bring it to me.' They did this, and he went into the presence of Hubal in the interior of the Ka'aba. Hubal was the greatest of the idols of Quraysh in Mecca."

Ibn Ishaq, the earliest compiler of Muslim Traditions, just told us that the high god of the Ka'aba was Hubal - not Allah. Doesn't this make Allah (also the second god of the Qur'an following Ar-Rahman) a second rate deity? Abdul Muttalib started having second thoughts. So he went off and consulted with a sorceress, hoping to get the "right" advice.

Tabari VI:2 "By Allah! You shall never sacrifice him but you must get an excuse for not doing so." (This sounds innocent enough until you realize that the person swearing by Allah is a Devil worshipper.) "There is a sorceress who has a familiar spirit; ask her, and you will know what to do. If she commands you to sacrifice him, you will sacrifice him, and if she commands you to do something which offers relief to you and to him, you can accept it." (Sorceresses are occult mediums: in other words, witches. Their familiar spirits are demons.)

"So they went to Medina where they discovered that the sorceress had moved to Khaybar. They rode until they reached her. She said, 'Retire from me until my familiar spirit visits me and I can ask him. Abdul Muttalib stood and prayed to Allah… On the following day they went back. She said, 'Yes! News has come to me. How much is the blood-money among you.' They replied, 'Ten camels.' She said, 'Bring forward the young man and ten camels, and cast arrows. If they fall against the boy, add camels until your Lord is satisfied.'"

Tabari VI:5 "They returned to Mecca when they had all agreed on the matter, Abdul Muttalib stood and prayed to Allah inside the Ka'aba beside Hubal. The arrows fell against Abdallah, so they added ten camels, making twenty. With Muttalib standing and praying to Allah they went on this way ten times. Each time the arrows fell against Abdallah."

"Abdul Muttalib stood beside Hubal in the interior of the Ka'aba, calling upon Allah. The custodian of the arrows took and cast them, and the lot fell against Abdallah. So Muttalib took Abdallah by the hand. He grabbed a large knife. Then he went up to the idols Isaf and Nailah [the fornicating stones] who Quraysh used to slaughter their sacrifices, to sacrifice Abdullah…Your Lord is satisfied at last. The camels were slaughtered and left there. No man or wild beast was turned back from eating them."

2) Mohammad’s Conception:

"Abdul Muttalib took Abdallah by the hand. It is alleged they passed by Umm Qattal bt. Abd al-Uzza [Slave-to-the-goddess-al-Uzza], the sister of Waraqa [the Hanif]. She was by the Ka'aba. When she looked at his face she said, 'Where are you going, Abdallah? I have seen many camels slaughtered for you, so sleep with me now.'" Tabari VI:6 "It is alleged that he consummated his marriage to her there as soon as he married her, that he lay with her and that she conceived Muhammad; then he left her presence and came to the woman who had propositioned him, and said to her, 'Why do you not make the same proposition to me today which you made to me yesterday?'" To which she replied, "The light which was with you yesterday has left you, and I have no need of you today."

3) Ramifications of Mohammad’s father’s relationship with Mohammad

The story of Abdullah is not very flattering to Mohammad (PBUH) as it shows that a devil worshipper wanted to be impregnated with Mohammad (PBUH).

If the above is a fabrication in order to make Mohammad’s birth seem miraculous, (like that of Jesus), then it shows that Mohammad really did not respect his father all that much that he would have to lie about his origins in order to give Mohammad (PBUH) a noble birth.

It seems more likely than not that this story is made up. Both the Quran and hadith say that the only miracle associated with the Prophet (PBUH) was the revelation of the Surahs themselves.

Noble Quran 3:138

They (also) said: "Allah took our promise not to believe in an messenger unless He showed us a sacrifice consumed by Fire (From heaven)." Say: "There came to you messengers before me, with clear Signs and even with what ye ask for: why then did ye slay them, if ye speak the truth?" if you are truthful?

Sahih Bukhari 9:92:379 Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "There was no prophet among the prophets but was given miracles because of which people had security or had belief, but what I was given was the Divine Inspiration which Allah revealed to me. So I hope that my followers will be more than those of any other prophet on the Day of Resurrection."

In Qur'an 21:5 we find that one of the many arguments used by Muhammad’s critics at the time was that he couldn't do miracles, and would not believe in him until he did a miracle (Quran 17:90)

Noble Quran 21:5

Nay, say they, (these are but) muddled dreams; nay, he hath but invented it; nay, he is but a poet. Let him bring us a portent even as those of old (who were God's messengers) were sent (with portents).

Noble Quran 17:90
They say: "We shall not believe in thee, until thou cause a spring to gush forth for us from the earth,

As such, it leads one to believe that Mohammad (PBUH) made up this story about His (PBUH) father, and thus broke this Commandment all for His (PBUH) own devious purposes, and did not respect His (PBUH) father enough to tell the truth. However, if you want to believe that devil worshippers thought Mohammad (PBUH) was cool, please go right ahead. After all, in another hadith, we find that Mohammad (PBUH) was sick because his Satan abandoned him (http://muslimhadith.blogspot.com/2009/01/mohammad-sick-because-his-satan.html); and that a Satan was continuously living with him (http://muslimhadith.blogspot.com/2008/06/aisha-jealous-of-mohammed-womanizer.html).


B) The Quran on Family Relations:

The Quran also does not endorse this Commandment, and since Mohammad (PBUH) was the Messenger, he is vicariously liable for pushing his doctrine to break this Commandment:

9:23 O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.

In other words, don't be friends with disbelieving family members. Those who do so are wrong-doers.

9:24 Say: If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives, and your tribe, and the wealth ye have acquired, and merchandise for which ye fear that there will no sale, and dwellings ye desire are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger and striving in His way: then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass. Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

If you value your parents, wives, and children more than Allah and Muhammad, then just wait and see what Allah will do to you after you die.

9:113 It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin (to them) after it hath become clear that they are people of hell-fire

Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire.Hell and The Fire in the Quran

58:22 Thou wilt not find folk who believe in Allah and the Last Day loving those who oppose Allah and His messenger, even though they be their fathers or their sons or their brethren or their clan. As for such, He hath written faith upon their hearts and hath strengthened them with a Spirit from Him, and He will bring them into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide. Allah is well pleased with them, and they are well pleased with Him. They are Allah's party. Lo! is it not Allah's party who are the successful ?

On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters).


The Meccan response sums up how Mohammad’s (PBUH) message caused family enmity in order to break up the family unit, and thus breaking this Commandment.

Ishaq 121: "'The nearest thing to the truth is that he is a sorcerer who has brought a message by which he separates a man from his father, his brother, his wife, children and family.' They all agreed. Then, according their scheme, the men of Quraysh spread the word that 'this is nothing but ancient sorcer.' among the pilgrims in the hajj season. They warned everyone they met that Muhammad was a possessed sorcerer, stirring up divions in the families."


“Stirring up divisions in the family” says it all… Mohammad (PBUH) did not respect the family unit one bit.

Mohammad and the 4th Commandment

The Fourth Commandment

4) You shall keep the Lord's Day holyI am not going to engage in a dialogue about what the Lord's Day means in either Christianity or Judaism.

Rather, I will present it in terms of what Allah (not Yahweh) revealed in his Quran to be the most Holy of months - Ramadan.

(I am not going to discuss how Ramadan is of pagan origins, or other pagan practices which became incorporated into Islamic ritual like running around the Kabah seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down two hills, throwing stones at the devil are also of pagan origin, as this is not relevant to Mohammad (PBUH) breaking Ramadan, and thus NOT keeping his Lord's day holy)

So what does the Quran say about Ramadan?

Noble Quran 009.005 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill thedisbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, beleaguer them, and lie in waitand ambush them using every stratagem of war.Thus, the Quran and Allah clearly state Muslims can fight only when the sacred months are past. In other words, when those months have ended.

Here are two examples of how Mohammad acted during Ramadan:

1) Marrying a woman after his adopted son Zayd (the one whose wife he stole -see http://muslimhadith.blogspot.com/2009/09/mohammad-and-second-commandment.html - "2 Islam forbidding adoption")

"A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm's daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm's daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him." Tabari VIII:96

a) Does this mean acting holy during Ramadan is by getting your adopted son to carry out a raid, tearing old women apart by having camels walk in separate directions, and then marry that woman's daughter?
b) Or was Mohammad (Peace be unto him) not acting Holy?

2) Mohammad clearly breaking the Allah's order in Noble Quran 009.005

Mecca was conquered by the Muslims in January 630 AD (10th day of Ramadan, 8 AH (The Message by Ayatullah Ja'far Subhani, chapter 48 referencing Sirah by Ibn Hisham, vol. II, page 409)

Tabari VIII:160 “Allah’s Apostle set out on the expedition against the people ofMecca in the month of Ramadan.”

a) Why do Muslims follow a prophet who so blatantly ignored his god’s orders?
b) If the Quran tells you not to do something, and the Prophet breaks the Allah's orders, doesnt this mean he broke the Allah's orders in keeping Ramadan holy?
c) Therefore, he broke the third commandment.

Ashura Day

"When the Prophet came to Yathrib he saw the Jews fasting on Ashura day. He questioned them, and they told him that it was the day upon which God drowned Pharaoh and saved Moses from the Egyptians. He said, 'We have a better right to Moses than you do.' He fasted and ordered his fellow Muslims to fast with him. When the fast of Ramadhan was prescribed, he made Ashura optional." Tabari VII:26

I thought this might be interesting too. Apparently, Muslims have a better right to Moses than Jews. Yet Mohammad PBUH) seems to keep striking out with all the Commandments Yahweh gave to Moses. Better Right indeed!

Tuesday, September 15, 2009

Mohammad and the Third Commandment

The Third Commandment
3. You shall not take the name of God in vain. Exodus 20:7

Before I explain how Mohammad (peace be unto him) broke this commandment, I would like to first explain what this commandment means.

The Commandment as it was actually written in Hebrew says something that is vital to our very survival: "You shall not accept or advance in the name or character of Yahweh, your deity, anything that is deceptive or destructive." In other words, do not use Yahweh's name to advance things that are evil.

Assuming that Yahweh is actually Allah (Please see http://muslimhadith.blogspot.com/2009/07/mohammad-and-first-commandment.html; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkrgObVwTSc&feature=channel_page; and how Allah is actually a pagan god of the Arabs who had 3 daughters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO8De1-SZiE&feature=channel_page) I will explain how Mohammad (Peace be unto him) took Yahweh's name in vain.

1) Muhammad (PBUH) vs. the Nadir Jews

Tabari VII:158/Ishaq:437 "Muhammad personally led his men against the Nadir and halted in their quarter. The Jews took refuge against him in their homes, so he ordered their date palms to be cut down and burnt. They shouted, 'Muhammad, you have forbidden wonton destruction of property and have blamed those who perpetrated it. Why are you doing this?'"

Muhammad didn't answer the question directly. He delegated the excuse to his god. A situational scripture authorizing destruction was "handed down."Qur'an 59:5 "The palm trees you cut down or left standing intact was by Allah’s dispensation so that He might disgrace the transgressors."

I'll let you decide if the creator of the universe etched this line on an eternal tablet before the world was created or if Muhammad (PBUH) just made it up.

2) Islam forbidding adoption - In this part, Tabari presents how Mohammad (PBUH) outlawed adoption, then the second part confirms this story in the Quran, exposing how Mohammad (PBUH) used Allah's name in vain in order tof ulfill His (PBUH) carnal desires.

Tabari VIII:1 "In this year the Messenger married Zaynab bt. Jahsh. "Allah's Messenger came to the house of Zayd bin [son of] Muhammad. Perhaps the Messenger missed him at that moment. Zaynab, Zayd's wife, rose to meet him. Because she was dressed only in a shift, the Holy Prophet turned away from her. She said: 'He is not here. Come in, you are as dear to me as my father and mother!' Muhammad refused to enter. Zaynab had dressed in haste when she heard that the Prophet was at her door. She jumped up eagerly and excited the admiration of Allah's Messenger, so that he turned away murmuring something that could scarcely be understood. However, he did say overtly, 'Glory be to Allah Almighty, who causes hearts to turn!'"

Tabari VIII:2 "When Zayd came home Zaynab told him that Muhammad had come. Zayd said, 'Why didn't you ask him to come in.' Zaynab replied, 'I asked him but he refused.' 'Did he say anything.' 'Glory be to Allah Almighty, who causes hearts to turn.' So Zayd went to Muhammad. 'Prophet, I have heard that you came to my house. Why didn't you go in? Perhaps Zaynab has excited your admiration, so I will leave her.'"

Tabari VIII:3 "Zayd left her, and she became free. While the Messenger of Allah was talking with Aisha, a fainting overcame him. When he was released from it, he smiled and said, 'Who will go to Zaynab to tell her the good news? Allah has married her to me. Then the Holy Prophet recited [Qur'an 33] to the end of the passage. Aisha said, 'I became very uneasy because of what we heard about her beauty and another thing, the loftiest of matters - what Allah had done for her by personally giving her to him in marriage. I said that she would boast of it over us.'"

The above story is confirmed in the Quran, and thus sent down by Allah!

33.037 YUSUFALI: Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled.

In the same surah, Mohammad outlawed adoption:

033.004 YUSUFALI: Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way.

As well, Zaynab was Mohammad's cousin, and the same Surah makes it lawful for Mohammad to marry his cousins: "We have made lawful to thee ... daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts"

033.050 YUSUFALI:

O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.Once again, I will let you decide whether Allah gave Mohammad (PBUH) permission to have sexual relations with his son in law's wife, or if he used God's name in vain.3) Order to potentially replace all Mohammad's (PBUH) wives

Noble Quran 66:5

It may happen that his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your stead wives better than you, submissive (to Allah), believing, pious, penitent, devout, inclined to fasting, widows and maids.What this Surah means - Muhammad's wives need to be careful. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones.Once again, Allah comes to Mohammad's (PBUH) defence in the form of a Quran surah to shut his wives up, lest they be replaced. No one else heard these responses, yet for some reason, Allah needs to make sure that Mohammad's (PBUH) wives behaved themselves.4) Aisha (The mother of all believer's) response

Bukhari - Volume 6, Book 60, Number 311: Narrated Aisha:I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." http://muslimhadith.blogspot.com/2008/08/allah-works-to-make-sure-mohammads.html

Even Aisha figured out that Mohammad's (PBUH) lord always comes to Mohammad's (PBUH) rescue to allow him to have sex with whomever he wants. Interesting that the Quran, the supposed word of Allah (not Yahweh), a book that is to shed light on all that exists in the universe, focuses so much on Mohammad's (PBUH) own temporal and carnal desires...These are just some examples of Mohammad (PBUH) breaking the Third Commandment. More will be necessary upon request.

Friday, September 11, 2009

Mohammad and the Second Commandment

You shall not make Any Idols

As already discussed in the First Commandment, Mohammad (PBUH) broke the Second Commandment when he made an idol out of the Black Stone. As such, I will just repeat what I wrote:

Ishaq:530 "The Prophet stroked and kissed the Black Stone. Then he went out trotting around the Ka'aba as did his Companions. When the Temple concealed Muhammad from the Meccans and he had "istalama" (which means to embrace, stroke, and kiss) the southern corner of the Ka'aba, he walked to "istalama" the Black Stone a second time. Then he "harwala" (which means to trot or prance swinging the shoulders side to side in a gloating manner) similarly for three circumambulations. He walked the remainder of them. The Apostle only did this to show off in front of the Quraysh.

Mohammad's (PBUH)actions are also confirmed in the Hadith, where Muslims, following Mohammads (PBUH) perfect example, by praying to the Black Stone of the Kaba (which is an idol):It is reported in Bukhari (1520), Sahih Muslim (1720) that Umar approached the Black Stone and kissed it. Then he said: “I know that you are a mere stone that can neither harm nor do any good. If I had not seen the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) kissing you, I would have never kissed you."SO Mohammad (PBUH) did not pray to the Moses' God, performed all of these pagan rituals and misrepresented that it was from Moses' God, and thus ultimately, broke the Second Commandment.
 

Why Aisha Likely Poisoned Muhammad, Not a Jewish Woman, Part 1

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In this article, I tried to present my analytical view about the followers of Muhammad and the tradition about Muhammad’s death, widely propagated by Muslims that a Jewish woman at Khaibar had poisoned him. The story goes like this: a Jewish woman, captured in Muhammad attack of Khaibar, was put on the duty for preparing the meal, and she had put poisoned meat in Muhammad's and his companions' meal to take revenge for the murder of her husband, sons and brothers by Muhammad and his Jihadi companions.

This study will reveal that the truth about Muhammad’s murder may be different; his own wife Aisha might have had killed him.

Abu Hurraira, a companion of Prophet Muhammad, entered the fold of Islam after his conquest of Mecca in 630 C.E., and became very close to Muhammad. He is well known for narrating many sayings of Muhammad, who shared with Abu Hurraira many confidentialities, which he had kept hidden from his other companions and dear ones. For example, there is a famous incident regarding the confiscation of the state of Fadak by first Caliph Abu Bakar, allegedly gifted by Muhammad to his daughter Fatima. Soon after the prophet died, Caliph Abu Bakar confiscated the state of Fadak from Fatima and her husband Ali. When Fatima came to know about it, she quarreled with Abu Bakar, but Abu Hurraira informed that he learnt from her father that Prophets do not enjoy inheritance by law. This story tells us that Muhammad, the founder of Islam, kept many things hidden from his closest beloveds.

There's another incident in Shia tradition, also recorded by Abu Hurraira (father of cats, who narrated many Hadiths that are not verifiable through any means). A Shia scholar narrating the story that goes as below:

In the open market, a poor Muslim was trying to sell his onions, but no passers-by were buying his merchandise. This made the poor Muslim vender worried. He found his way to Abu Hurraira, as he was considered very pious and literate amongst Muhammad's companions. He told Abu Hurraira about his business situation; and that he was worried that his onion might start rotting if not sold.

Abu Hurraira said, “It’s not a problem; if you agree to share half of your profit with me out of your business, I can make your onions sell.” Poor vender had to agree to his terms.

Soon after, Abu Hurraira started to speak out loud in street to catch people's attention by saying: “O people, do you know what our master Muhammad said?

People in astonishment looked at each other and said, “No.”

Abu Hurraira replied, “Our master said that anyone who will eat onions today, he will be the first to enter heaven.”

All onions were quickly sold and the vender was very happy.

When Aisha, Prophet Muhammad's child-wife, came to know about this matter, she called Abu Hurraira and asked him, “When Muhammad said that on the day any who eat onions will go to heaven?”

To puzzle her, he retorted, “Prophet didn’t claim either that prophets don’t have their heirdom”, and added, “this is our wish wherever we navigate the sail or drag it to any direction”, puzzling her further.

This is a very old, nasty and deceptive tactic, which Muslims use to cover up their tarnished actions; they hurl their lies and irrational reasons to others, especially non-Muslims. Muslims thought that they will hide the real facts forever and their made-up history will be played out on the world-stage; they think others are stupid and would not be able to get the facts. Muslim historians had no clue to the fact that the history they left behind itself is not good enough to fool others. Muslim historians and hadith compilers themselves made problems for their own selves.

Treatise on Islam by many Muslim scholars raises too many problematic questions in the mind of rational readers to which Muslims have few answers. The list of such problematic questions keeps growing larger as Islamic historical and theological texts are being investigated by meticulous researchers.

The incident of Muhammad's massacre at Khaibar of many innocent Jews of Banu Nadir tribe, whom he had earlier deported from Medina, is undoubtedly true. Muhammad's biographers and hadith collectors narrate that he surrounded the Jews at Khaibar and besieged them. When they were defeated and surrendered, he ordered killing of the captured Jewish men above the age of puberty. At dinner time, a Jew woman, who was given the responsibility of cooking food, added poison in the meal. Muhammad and his companions started eating their meal. Soon one of his companions collapsed and died on the spot. Muhammad had eaten only a small part of the poisoned morsel. He threw it away and grabbed the Jewish woman, and asked if she had added poison in the food. She confessed and was put to death by Muhammad.

The event occurred in 629 C.E., but Muhammad died in 632. No history book gives any evidence that Muhammad fell sick or his health deteriorated from the day he consumed the poisoned food until his death. In these 3-4 years, Muhammad was in his good health, leading many Jihad wars. He fell seriously ill only during the last few days of his life, which eventuated into his death.

It is also ridiculous of Muslim historians to suggest that their master would give the responsibility of preparing the meal to a person, whose husbands, sons, brothers and fathers had been killed a while earlier by him.

Aisha and Muhammad

Both the Quran and Islamic history give strong evidence that Aisha, who was married to Muhammad at the age of 9, was never happy with her husband---over 8 times older than her at the time of contracting the marriage. There are evidences that Aisha and Muhammad both quarreled with each other over many issues so much so that Muhammad was on the verge of divorcing all his wives, just because of Aisha and Hafsa, who had shared the truth about Muhammad's lecherous habit with their co-wives. On another occasion, Muhammad had separated himself from Aisha on the suspicion of sleeping with another young disciple of his.

As Muhammad was very old and a fatherly figure to Aisha, the young and immature Aisha certainly could never like and love him in a romantic way. When young Aisha was dreaming for her charming prince of her age, with whom she could play, do emotional talking and share jokes---she had sleep with a stinky old man. She probably was not happy of her parent’s decision either that they arranged her marriage with the person nearly of her father’s age. For about nine years, she bore Muhammad’s presence and sexual oppression.

So, it is possible that when Muhammad had become too much of annoyance and even older, she planned to get rid of old Muhammad, nearing death. Murdering Muhammad was only way Aisha could get rid of him. Her plans for killing Muhammad, however, might have been instigated when Muhammad was showing greater interest in Maria, a Coptic slave of exquisite beauty. The fact that only Maria amongst his dozen wives had borne him a child named Abraham—this might have had made Maria a favorite to Muhammad. He started cheating his wives, whereby he would send them away so that he could go to bed with Maria in their absence.

Muhammad's accusation on Aisha of adultery

Aisha's hatred and bitterness of Muhammad had certainly intensified after he accused her of adultery---a story, supported by both the Quran and historical texts. Aisha, a young and immature girl, was certainly easy to be manipulated by Muhammad's young companions. When a rumour about her sleeping on one occasion with a young companion of Muhammad became popular in Medina, he lost his interest in her. He sent her back to her parent’s house. Ali, the close cousin and husband of Muhammad's daughter Fatimah, had eagerly advised him to divorce her.

Allah (aka Muhammad) maintained silence for about a month as the scandal kept on spiraling. It was important for Muhammad not to alienate Abu Bakar, who had many trusted friends and a strong power-base. At the same time, he had to somehow prove that Aisha was innocent, not to tarnish his prophetic credential. So, only after about a month had passed and Aisha's menses returned, proving that she hadn't fallen pregnant from the alleged adulterous affair that Allah sent down verses to declare that the rumour was false and Aisha was innocent. Thus, she returned to Muhammad's house (see the story: Rumors of Aisha's Adultery and Allah's Silence and  Muhammad's Capture of Beautiful Slave-girl Juwairiya & Aisha's Adulterous Night-out).

Nonetheless, Aisha's father Abu Bakar, the first caliph of Islam, grew a grudge against Muhammad, because he brought shame and insult to his daughter and family by accusing her of adultery. Muhammad's absolving Aisha of the accusation was not good enough to assuage Abu Bakar's hatred toward him, not enough to pacify him. He certainly wanted to take revenge of this humiliation from Muhammad, whom he had supported utmost in his darkest hours. For this reason, Abu Bakar also probably encouraged Aisha to murder her husband, and also that he confiscated the state of Fadak from Ali and Fatimah as revenge.

A 'cold war' between Muhammad and Abu Bakar began to appear after the incident, and he perceived that some confederations had developed between Abu Bakar and his associate to conspire against him. So, he stopped trusting Abu Bakar, Umar and others, who were close associates. Then on, he adopted a new strategy and started focusing on and supporting his son-in-law, Ali.

Umar bin Al-Khatab

Umar, the second caliph of Islam, was well-known for his rowdy and arrogant behavior, and often disagreed with Muhammad’s close companions and stayed besides Abu Bakar. It is well known that Umar behaved in a very rude manner with Muhammad when he signed the Treaty of Hudaybia with the Quraish.

The reason Umar got infuriated with Muhammad was because his daughter Hafsa, one of Muhammad's wives, caught him red handed with his slave-girl Maria in her Hafsa's bed, after he had sent Hafsa to her father Omar's house that he wanted to see her. Despite Muhammad’s best efforts to calm Hafsa down, she started shouting and went back to her father’s house; she told everyone about his lecherous husband.

When she told Aisha of Muhammad's lechery, they ganged up and started insulting Muhammad. Muhammad, though guilt-stricken, took a macho approach by refusing to sleep with his wives for their berating of him. However, the truth was probably that he quit sleeping only with Aisha and Hafsa, who had shown strong displeasure with him over the incident, and he might have feared threats or physical on his life from them.

Accordingly, an anti-Muhammad pact was formed, comprised mainly of Abu Bakar, Umar, Uthman, Talha and Saad bin abi Waqas. Muhammad knew he had been trapped, thanks to his ridiculous and lecherous actions; he could only prolong the drama to drag on, but could not find a way out of it. The silent breach between the two Muslim camps kept growing deeper and deeper with every passing day, but its control was neither within the power of Muhammad nor his alter-ego Allah.

Given that Muhammad led a healthy and able life for three years after the Khaibar attack, carrying no disability or ailment from the alleged poisoning incident there by the Jewish woman, it is very likely, given the enmity that existed between Muhammad and his opponents, including some of his wives---that if Muslim historians' claim of Muhammad death from poisoning is true, then it was done by someone closer to him and just before his death, not by the Jewish woman three years earlier. And we can only point fingers at Aisha, given her personal unhappiness and angst, plus her father's enmity against Muhammad.

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Ex- Muslim
written by Maya , February 17, 2011
Wow, I never knew that he died by poision, I thought he had normal death.
every day i found out new thing about this killer, lunatic.
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2 M. A. Kan
written by Machmoed , February 17, 2011
Great story M. A. Khan, the lies are been uncovered! This could not be the messeneger of the truth/souce/God/Allah.
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written by Abu Taleb , February 17, 2011
I think, most of the stories about Muhammad are lies. It is stupid if we try to uncover the truth from lies.

We should use the stories of Muhammad just to show the muslims who believe the stories that the Muhammad character they believe was evil and Islamic teaching is evil and stupid, not to "analyze" and make as if it really happened.
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Who done it ?
written by balam , February 17, 2011
To malign the Jews,the Muslims could have made up a lie as many other lies.Mr.Khan's story is more believable.According to one Hadith,Aisha claims that it was her ignorance and her youth that contributed to his death while having sex with her.She blamed herself for not stopping him for reaching the climax which caused his cardiac arrest.The poisoning by Aisha along with errotic sex was a good allibi.
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After years of being sex-slave to and raped by Mohammed - should we be surprised?
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , February 17, 2011
If the unfortunate Aisha who was raped from 9 years old (but wed to Mohammed at 6 years old) did not go feel anger towards this old Arabic sexual pervert rapist Mohammed (he was 50); I would find that unnatural! But I suspect, Mohammed, who keep on raping so many women/girls including conquest captives, finally was punished with sexually transmitted disease, SYPHILIS - thus is why he's visual image prohibited; he probably looked like a ravaged wild Satanic beast near the end of his life! And I thank Our Lord Jesus Christ for that punishment to this wild Satanic beast rapist and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, if it's true!
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written by Machmoed , February 17, 2011
It's about understanding and acknowlodging the truth.
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Reasonable explanation!
written by Guy Macher , February 17, 2011
This analysis sounds reasonable. However, Mo did not wait to have sex until Aisha was 9! That is lunar years. In solar years, it is only 8 years 8 months and 3 weeks. Just want to set the record straight.

Mohamed was a criminal psychopath. Islam: pure evil.

Great article.
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written by duh_swami , February 17, 2011
Maybe he was not poisoned at all...maybe he died of an ill spent youth...It would seem he was an epileptic...I'm not sure when the symptoms were first noticed...of course his companions would not know about epilepsy...If they did they thought the afflicted person was possessed by gods or devils...It's possible that Mohammad had a slow developing brain disease (tumor?) that eventually killed him...Epilepsy was an early symptom, as well as his delusional mental deterioration that caused Aisha to exclaim that Mohammad saw things she did not see...and in another place where it is claimed that Mohammad said he did things that he did not...It's also possible that Aisha or someone did poison him to speed up the process of his demise...Did he get poisoned twice, one by a 'Jewess' that didn't work, and later another by his wife Aisha that did work? I don't know, I wasn't there, but something unusual happened to cause Mohammads death...
Mirza Ghalib
WELL DONE MR.KHAN FOR REVEALING THE TRUTH
written by Mirza Ghalib , February 17, 2011
The various biographies of Muhammad, what we heard from the victorious muhammadan’s are full of Taqiyya and confusing. But if one can READ the AHADITH (Specially the SAHIH AL-BUKHARI, which the muslim considered very authentic, next to the Quran) page by page, it is crystal clear that out of two camps ( Ayisha’s camp & Ali’s camp) to succeed Muhammad, Ayisha’s camp was the best in plotting and achieved their targets easily.
After reading these ahadith one can come to an easy conclusion that Muhammad was murdered by Aisha and her gang, simply just to grab his throne, (for the same reason Muhammad killed thousands of innocents). Tit for tat.
One of such ahadith which brother BALAM had revealed about Aisha’s statement that “It is her ignorance…………..which killed Muhammad”.
Similar to the above hadith, here are few more hadiths out of several, which requires the reader’s attention. Aisha, (Ummul momineen/mother of believers) explains about the last few minutes of Muhammad:-
1/ Muhammad’s head was in-between her bosom .
2/ Her saliva was in Muhammad’s mouth.
3/ The refusal of pen and paper by Umar, Ayisha and her gang to Muhammad to write the name of his successor (Probably, Ali – his son-in-law).
4/ Muhammad doubted and got wild about the medicine(Probably the poison), which they(Aisha’s gang) put in his mouth without his consent by force.
THE BEST AND THE ONLY WAY TO COMEOUT FROM ISLAM IS TO STUDY THEIR OWN AUTHENTIC BOOKS:- THE QURAAN AND AHADITH.

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No miracles...
written by duh_swami , February 17, 2011
One thing that is not recorded about Mohammad's death was the conspicuous absence of both Allah and Gabriel...They didn't show up to give him a grand send off or even just to say good-bye...No golden chariot no miracles, nothing...After all they meant to each other, you would think Allah would at least send flowers...After a few days of waiting for a miracle of some sort, and nothing happened, the corpse was getting a little odorous, so they buried him...Under his bed, in his house, according to one source...The house has been destroyed by the Saudi's but the body is probably still there...
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Nice article again!!
written by Reed Wilson. , February 17, 2011
Mohammad Khan. Your article provides nice reading.
You write "The story goes like this: a Jewish woman, captured in Muhammad attack of Khaibar, was put on the duty for preparing the meal".
You are right Mr. Khan it nothing more than a story. We dont find reliable history of 7th century.
The Jewish literature is almost silent about Khaibar and the war.
According to Jewish encyclopedia," Khaibar was the name of entire province those days. a Jewish tribe, the Banu Naḍir, deserted the muslim camp and sought refuge in the town of Khaibar. This warlike tribe exhorted its coreligionists there to resist in the event of his besieging them".
"Mohammed invaded the district in 628, and the Jews retreated to their fortresses, where they bravely defended themselves. Their leaders were Kinanah ibn Rabi', a Naḍirite, and Marḥab, of Himyarite origin. Finally, the Jews capitulated, but they were allowed to remain on paying a certain tribute".
I didn’t find the name of most sought after Safiya, the name of her father Hyye and the name of her husband who was allegedly murdered.
Abu Taleb is absolutely right in saying "I think, most of the stories about Muhammad are lies. It is stupid if we try to uncover the truth from lies".
Since it is all fiction I consider any harm in discussing it like we discuss various aspects of 'Murder Gonzago' in Shakespeare's Hamlet.
She might have had poisoned him.
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Correction in above post.
written by Reed Wilson. , February 17, 2011
Please read as:
Since it is all fiction I don't consider any harm in discussing it like we discuss various aspects of 'Murder Gonzago' in Shakespeare's Hamlet.
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To balam
written by Archpagan , February 17, 2011
In the act of attaining orgasm Aisha squeezed life out of Muhammad's. It is quite possible. I have wife who is 10 years younger but 20-Kg heavier than me. I know what it can be.
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To MA Khan
written by Usman , February 17, 2011
You kuffar will have to answer Allah for spreading lies about his most beloved Prophet and the person Prophet loved most Hazrat Ayesha.
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Where's the treasure?
written by duh_swami , February 17, 2011

Kinanah ibn Rabi'...That's right, he's the fictitious character who buried a fictitious treasure that the fictitious Mohammad dug up a fictitious part of it and then tortured the fictitious Kinanah for the rest, then had a fictitious fire built on his fictitious chest, and later had him beheaded fictitiously...Isn't this story just a little toooo fictitious?
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Hey usman, don't threaten us with your god, the Devil!
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , February 17, 2011
Hey usman, don't threaten us with your god, the Devil! You expect us, civilized beings to kneel down like SLAVES to your creator of Islam, the Arabic Pedophile rapist (Aisha was a nine year old girl when your pervert rapist over 50 year old Mohammed raped her, for goodness sake!), robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, in order to construct pure Arabian kingdom and legitimize his and his tribe’s evil Arabic socio-cultural practises?! Thus only the Devil can be Mohammed's god!
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written by Reed Wilson. , February 17, 2011
To Usman. In your post to Mr. Khan you write "You kuffar will have to answer Allah for spreading lies about his most beloved Prophet and the person Prophet loved most Hazrat Ayesha".

Who is your 'most beloved prophet'? Allah tells and ask believers to declare that we do not differentiate among messengers. Did he tell you that he was his most beloved? Do you have some other book, other than Quran which you follow?

Who is loved most Hazrat Ayesha? Do you know the names of his wives and the rating of their love with messenger of Allah? Will Allah ask we 'kuffar' about H.Ayesha also?

Usman if you know that he was most beloved of Allah and she was most beloved of the messenger of Allah, please tell me how you know that; From Quran or from where?
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M.A. Khan
written by fineliving56 , February 17, 2011
Please ...there is any way you could give names or numbers of the Haddeeth or sunna that tells about Abu Hurayrra ...I do not think you mentioned them unless I missed it ….just to not to give someone like Reed and Uthman an excuse to call it lies ….which they thinks it is all lies anyway …but no matter ...
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Reed Are u among the kufar Usman is refering here?
written by Clement- Islam-Watch Pastor , February 18, 2011
Reed I don't think it is proper for you to begin to attack your prober publicly here. Or have you join us in the attack of Islam? I know your own version of Islam is not yet in this world. But Usman is simply defending his prophet and Islam just as you are doing here. What is the difference?
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Reed" correction please
written by Clement- Islam-Watch Pastor , February 18, 2011
Sorry Reed I mean to say your brother in the Post above which should read thus :"Reed I don't think it is proper for you to begin to attack you brother publicly here"
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Mohammad's Mental Capacity
written by Amboyduke , February 18, 2011
Has anyone ever heard that Mo died of advanced syphilis?
I read that somewhere?
It would also explain some of his rantings and ravings as insanity takes hold as big chunks of his brain are hollowed out as the syphilis goes about it's business?
Just wondering.
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Storehouse of all sicknesses
written by non believer , February 18, 2011
Muhammad was a storehouse of all sicknesses. He was mentally sick, Epileptic, Sex maniac, war monger and what not. He left behind a tumor called Islam which has grown like cancer. It has to be Gammaknifed to save the world.
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Muhammed was the poison
written by logic , February 18, 2011
even if the poor child poisoned him ........wats the big deal ......believe me ....a 54 old leacherous Muahmmed screwing a poor child Aisha ........was a poison bigger and now it .......is the biggest the POISON .....because it is the sunna ......and muslims should be ashmed of themselves .........yes ASHMED .....this is what they speak of as a prophet ............my dog is better ........oh yes he is .....ACTIONS COUNT not WORDS
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2 Clement + Reed
written by Machmoed , February 18, 2011
You're both right. You just have to believe and understand. Jesus was sent by God, like Muhammad. It's the same. What is not the same is what people think they understand of it. Now the truth has come to both of you. Won't you not believe in what is right?

Helleluja/Subhana Allah!
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@Machmoed
written by logic , February 18, 2011
Respectfully we cannot ........compare A JESUS and A MUHAMMED in the same category. JESUS, even stripped of all his divinity still can stand tall on the basis of his actions ..........but MUHAMMED absolutely depends on his divinity to justify his actions ...............its a BIG difference ...its HUGE ..........i am not a christian before you accuse me of being one ......and biased ......but ...christ inspires ..and muhamed is just so full of yuk ....BIG difference
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written by vbv , February 18, 2011
Islam is just a fabrication , a pack of lies , no evidence can be ascertained for any of its holy shits... Muhamad was a clever goon, a gangster who knew that if you use religion and put the fear of 'god' , most human-beings would easily succumb to it. He and his other goons took the arab deity Allah and fashioned him after the jewish monster "Yahweh" and copied the jewish barbarity from the Old Testament ,especially the Exodus and Duetronomy , which preaches slavery of non-jews, eye-for-an -eye and tooth-for a- tooth ,extreme intolerance of non-jews,right to murder and loot and rape any non-jew with impunity,etc kind of idealogy. Infact Muhamad claimed 'prophethood' based on such idealogies. He falsely claimed to be an illiterate ,while he was supposed to be handling the business of his first-wife 'Khadijja'. Infact, the whole of this barbaric cult is based on lies .Nothing but lies. Why so much animosity against the jews? Simple, because the jews called Muhamad's bullshits and scoffed at it . Further ,Muhamad will stand exposed if jews were to survive after him , so he has sowed the pison that exhorts muslims to exterminate the jews. The whole concept of 'prophethood' is a fraud because you have to blindly believe in those charlatans about their so-called communication with the so-called "god" or his "angels". "God","Angels" ,"Devils","Jinns",absolute bullshits from the imaginations of these scoundrels and charlatans who made a good living out of the fears and gullibility of the masses without having to work honestly ,living off others' hard labour. Take the bullshit of religion out of this world and you will definitely have a saner and peaceful existence.
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Of what can you be sure? Let Reed question and contradict fellow-Muslims!
written by Demsci , February 18, 2011
Usman, when you were a child, and were taken care of lovingly by your parents, you believed the Islamic stories and they were buried in your subconscious.

But can you be sure your loved ones and revered imams did not lie to you then? Perhaps because they were being lied to before and were as uncritical as you appear to be to the official version of Islam? You don't have a personal communication with "Allah", you can't be sure what he'll do or even whether the very plausible speculation of Mohammed A. Khan is NOT the real truth.

Clement, I think it's great when Reed Wilson questions and contradicts fellow-Muslims! Countless times Muslims have told US how wrong we were when we discussed Islam's laws, tenets, meaning and influence. Like explaining to us that death-penalty for apostasy is not really Islamic.

But all the time we were showing them that our interpretations of Islam were exactly the same as those of countless Islamic scholars, leaders and followers. But Islam-apologists do not DARE to question and contradict them!!! Because of the difference in reaction coming from Islam-critics and Muslims to questioning and contradiction.

So let Reed Wilson do it as he much as dares!!! Let everything he doubts and contradicts about what our side writes, but also is believed by countless of his fellow-Muslims, be used by him to question and contradict THEM, not US.
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Logic you are right and can see why your name is logic
written by Clement- Islam-Watch Pastor , February 18, 2011
There are people come here and claim that they are logical but you when you examine them you discover that they are not rational. Logical people are suppose to be rational and objective in their assessment of things. Tell me on what bases can somebody compare Jesus and Mohammed, Or Allah and Yahweh even when it was clared that Muhammad drafted Yahwah into the scam because Yahweh was known to purnish evil doer there and then even physically, just to compel obedience to his command. Yet not even one example was ye able to demsotrate the divine power of his Allah. Thanks for your defence of Christ even though you are not his disciple but can use your brain right.
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to fineliving
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , February 18, 2011
there are countless hadiths that narrated by abu Hurraira and chose by Sahih Bukhari and other prominent hadith compilers.
I couldn't understand your message, either you are asking me about the conversation between Aisha and Huraira which I posted in my article, or other recorded sayings of Muhammad which narrated by huraira.

Have a good day!

Mohammad.A.Khan
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written by Reed Wilson. , February 18, 2011
Clement. I hope Usman will answer me.

Kuffar are the people who reject. I am a servant who obeys.

What if there is no difference?
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@clement
written by logic , February 18, 2011
Clement ...christ is natural ..muhamud is enforced ...............thats my logic ..........i am no christian believe me ...but ..if i want be with some good people i will want christ as my brother ..........and sorry muslims but you muhammed ........................................................................he is so mad mad mad .........muhammed is mad ....thats it ........how dare this puke of devil even try to preach about god ............muhammed ...was okay till one point of time but the pressure of mecca got to him and he became a super maniac ....and believe 1.4 billion muslims are not normal if they believe in muhammed ...yes 1.4 billion or 1 muslim or 100 muslims or even 1.4 trillion muslims are JUST A NUMBER ..............TRUTH IS ...and thats it
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To Muhammad A Khan
written by Archpagan , February 18, 2011
Perhaps, she wanted to know the number and names of Hadithis which quote or mention Abu Hurraira as an authority.
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2 Logic
written by Machmoed , February 18, 2011
That is indeed logical. These Person's cannot be the same.
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2 Clement
written by Machmoed , February 18, 2011
Clement, you say, you believe in Christ. Would you recognize Him when he arrives? How?
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Reed, Usman cannot answer you. You are the only come here and staput in IW even when all your arguement and ports are crushed
written by Clement- Islam-Watch Pastor , February 18, 2011
How many Islamist that do come here do stayput to answer kufar questions and objections to the cult religion? You only remain defiant and compromising at times to your faith just to see if someone will agree with you but none. Usman like the likes of Fatima,etc who come to cry faul and run away because they cannot stand the humuliation of their prophet and the Quran which they cherish so much as to lay their lives for it. But treat Usman gentlely because not every Muslim can have your own kind of heart that dont take offence even when your prophet and Quran are rubished.
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written by duh_swami , February 18, 2011
Reed does not contradict, he attempts to correct...The problem is that he does as Jesus accused the Pharisees of doing... 'straining the gnat while swallowing the camel'...The camel in this case is the Quran...You can discard hadith and you still end up with an evil abusive religion, based on a evil abusive book...
Allah orders Muslims to suspend everything that makes a human noble, especially when applying punishments, or conducting jihad...Allah destroys conscience...an example...

Quran 24:2 Yusuf AliThe woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, - flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment

'Let not compassion move you'...What is the condition of a human mind that has no compassion?

This comes from the book of Allah that Reed advocates, with his corrections...But if he believes in Allah, he can't correct him...Allah destroys human conscience, as shown above... Reed cannot fix that, and neither can repeated doses of the substance that made them mentally ill in the first place...The Quran...
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Hey Machmoed, don't twist so cunningly as if the evil Mohammed is the same as our God, Jesus!
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , February 18, 2011
Hey Machmoed, - you're so cunning by trying to claim Mohammed and Jesus were sent by the same God, and yet claim to be an atheist! The Arabic Pedophile rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, in order to construct pure Arabian kingdom and legitimize his and his tribe’s evil Arabic socio-cultural practises, was sent by 'God'?! No, Mohammed was sent by the Devil, who is really Mohammed's god! And if you want to know how we would recognize our Christian God, Lord Jesus Christ when He comes again, read the NT, because it's our God who will make that decision and judgement who will recognize Him, not us! In Revelation 19:9 Then the angel said to me, "Write this: Happy are those who have been invited to the wedding feast of the Lamb". And the angel added, "these are the true words of God."

Amen to that.
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Hey vbv, between God-hating Socialists Hitler, Stalin and Mao, they've butchered around 30 million innocent human beings especially Jews and Christians!
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , February 18, 2011
Don't lie as if Islam and Judeo-Christianity are founded by the same God! No, Islam is created by the Arabic Pedophile rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, in order to construct pure Arabian kingdom and legitimize his and his tribe’s evil Arabic socio-cultural practises; whilst Judeo-Christianity is founded on our shared God's SALVATION for all humanity from all kinds of evilness! Evil people have hijacked Judeo-Christianity but our God did not teach us to love evilness unlike in Islam! And our God of the Old Testament was a very angry God at evilness especially at the continuous persecution and slavery of the Jewish people especially of His righteous believers since Abraham’s days; thus He allowed self-defence by the freed Jews against evil PREDATORS but our same God in the new covenant in the New Testament is being forgiving and wants all His mankind creation to be saved but with the condition that they repent from committing evil because He still hates evilness. By the way, another lie from you; here's the real truth instead - between God-hating Socialists Hitler, Stalin and Mao, they've butchered around 30 million innocent human beings especially Jews and Christians!
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written by Reed Wilson. , February 18, 2011
Demsci. You write "Clement, I think it's great when Reed Wilson questions and contradicts fellow-Muslims."

I just wanted to know from Usman that from where he got 'most beloved' prophet of Allah and and most 'beloved wife'. You are over too generous in calling it great.

On his answer depends his status of 'fellow-Muslim'.

If he tells me the source I will consider him most belovedest prophet and the most belovedest wife. I will make superlative if I dont find.

But Demsci, people come and go. I cannot forget Shibli Zaman, Navid Anjum and Mukhtar Naeemi. I wish if they were here.

You write "Like explaining to us that death-penalty for apostasy is not really Islamic".

Isn't it happy situation? There is no death penalty of any offense in Quran. I have not seen. If it escaped my attention, its a different thing. Those stupids who invented DP didn't realize the fate of non-muslims accepting Islam. They are also divorcing their religion!!

I am not the one who can accept, reject or contradict about Islam. I just match with Quran and tell that it is according to Islam or other wise. I have limits.
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Machmoed: Yes I will recognise christ when he comes
written by Clement- Islam-Watch Pastor , February 18, 2011
My friend let me tell you what the scriptures says about Christ return in 1Thes 4:16-18“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”
Matt 24:30-31 “30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other”
1Cor 15:52 -57 “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ”.
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2 Khatarina
written by Machmoed , February 18, 2011
I'm not an Atheist. I'm a pandeist.

I meant something else. How can you compare light with shadow. What do you know of Jesus Katharina? Tell me.
Will you Recognize Him, cause everybody sais he knows Him. You tell me, Who is Jesus?
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hey machmeod, I sugget you educate yourself, reading both whole bIble and books!
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , February 18, 2011
So now you claim to be a pandeist or whatever - but don't try to equate that most evil Mohammed with my Lord Jesus Christ! You see machmed, if you had read the whole Bible and with rational mind, you will find out who my Christian God, our Lord Jesus Christ is. And Jesus is definitely not the God of Islam which is created by the Arabic Pedophile rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, in order to construct pure Arabian kingdom and legitimize his and his tribe’s evil Arabic socio-cultural practises - the Devil is Mohammed's god! I suggest you start with these two fundamental verses, for your real education on shared Judeo-Christianity foundation, where my God of the OT is the same God of the NT as in "before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58). In Genesis 26:24 "I am the God of your father, Abraham," he said. "Do not be afraid, for I am with you and will bless you. I will multiply your descendants, and they will become a great nation. I will do this because of my promise to Abraham, my servant."
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Sin was a great invention...
written by duh_swami , February 18, 2011
Sin...Without sin I don't know where I would be today. Sin is very important, we have to have it...because without sin we don't need a savior nor big expensive buildings called Churches, or mosques...Sin keeps carpenters employed...It is great for the liquor and sex industries...A sinless world would put a lot of people out of work...The first to go would be priests, Imams, ayatollah's, reverends and anyone who preaches against sin, because they are no longer needed...Without sin, religion as we know it would disappear...The priests could no longer raise money by preying on the guilt of the sinners...They would have to get legitimate jobs...So while all these religious people call for an end to sin and sinning, they profit from it...their world would be turned upside down without it...
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Machmoed. Leave Kathrina out of your Pandeism
written by Clement- Islam-Watch Pastor , February 18, 2011
Machmoed here you come again you to tell kathrina your version of whom Jesus was according to that Archaeologist called Acharya, S and her company who said Jesus was a recreation of the Egyptians the ancient sun-god called Horus. And that the virgin birth, two fishes’ feeding miracles, working on water, 12,tribes,12 Apostles, death and resurrection are not peculiar to the Bible and Christian faith alone. That they all have astrological and mythological definition. That the Bible after all was not the truth but myth, the pigment of human imagination, a fairy tale and a creation of man. That the creation story, Abraham, Noah, Moses, was some fables, folklores, or at best they never existed including Jesus. I think that is the “gospel” you want to preach to Kathrina we are sick and tired of it. Hold your peace. I have told you that Jesus is a living legend and not only a historical figure known only in history or fiction and myths which only existed in the imagination men but alive even today changing lives for good and performing miracles as of old. So tell that to the marines. I have given you some verses above on how we Christian will recognise Jesus when he comes. Leave my sis alone
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to Duh_Swami (I liked your last comment)
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , February 18, 2011
you said, "...Sin is very important, we have to have it...because without sin we don't need a savior nor big expensive buildings called Churches, or mosques..."

It is very intelligent quote by you. I also agree with you but my concept about sin is little different. First of all, what is sin? In my opinion, our negative thinking or action has been called sin. when someone try to steal something, the first action is that they plan for it and that plan is his/her negative approach. After this, action has to take place.

My opinion is that, since I became atheist, I call it Good or Bad. I thought too much about it and finaly came to conclusion that Good is impossible without bad. Because if for example, we remove bad entirely from this world and let the Good be here, eventually, People will try to find more little bad points within the Good. Thus, Good is impossible without bad. if anyone whether prophet, god, allah no matther who, they can never bring goodness to anyone without badness. Bad is very important for the good.

Have a good day!

Mohammad.A.Khan
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Provision in Immigration Laws.
written by Reed Wilson. , February 18, 2011
Our Immigration laws should be so designed that there is a clause for Jesus Christ. Otherwise, these kings men don’t even recognize their fathers.
Even if they recognize, which they might, they will say “We respect you”. “Please sit in the lounge, have drinks or tea or coffee, but we can not allow you entering in country or leave the premises unless you show us the documents. We hope you will appreciate our limitations”
It is serious issue and should be taken up with the law makers. Christians and Muslims believe in his second or third coming. I am not sure of Hindus, Jews Buddhists etc. Jesus himself might not like to break the law of land.
It triggers me that Archpagan once contributed about descending Jesus Christ. He thought he will come at Rome. Rome or wherever, there must be proper legislation.
Our recognizing will only be an issue if we were alive on his coming. Clement may be there.

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to Reed
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , February 18, 2011
You said, "...Please sit in the lounge, have drinks or tea or coffee..." Thank you, I totally forgot to have a cup of tea before your reminder. I am going to have a cup of tea.

Have a good day(but after leaving Islam and saying Muhammad is not prophet but pretender)

Mohammad.A.Khan
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I feel sorry for Christ
written by fineliving56 , February 18, 2011
I guess a lot of people going to be disappointed when Christ does not show up….is it not enough what happened to him when he left this cruel …cruel world [if he ever excited ]…I mean the most violent death any humen could imagine ..I agree ...Christ was nothing like Muhammad ….of what we have read about him from all sources we have available he is peaceful humen being who never killed any one ...Now Muhammad on the other hand …he not only killed his enemies in his time …no he is still killing in the name of him …he left a manuscript [Quran]to who,when,where,how to kill directed to his followers …so for 1400 years this has been happening …so how many he killed directly and indirectly ? … countless ….Muhammed In my book ,is the worst mass killer in the world and Hitler is a light weight in comparison .
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I have some question?
written by fineliving56 , February 18, 2011
Why of every religion we had …the story goes like this : A MAN GOES IN TO A CAVE / MOUNTAIN …etc ….so in every case Why he stays for a while and comes out with a new religion ? why is it always A MAN ? why is he always alone ? why this MAN always expect people to take them on their word and their word only ? Why these men think [ and that exactly what happen ] that we the people [well some of us any way ] are dumb enough to believe what he said ?
Why these men think that we are dumb enough to believe this clear illogical idea : the prophet will verify the teachings [ later became books written by yet more men, it came from God and the teachings from God will verify the prophet that he is a prophet ?
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Duh-Swami, brilliant observation
written by Demsci , February 18, 2011
I also liked what you wrote Duh-Swami, a brilliant insight.

Perhaps something like that could also be said about the police really needing a certain amount of crimes to hold on to their jobs. And many docters needing a certain amount of illnesses so that they all can keep earning their salaries.

The question it seems, is; what constitutes success for clergymen, police and docters? Is it jobs well done only? Or a drastic decrease of sin, crime and illnesses?

And we can ask them all: What will you DO when you are successfull in diminishing sins, crimes and illnesses dramatically? And so many of you become superfluous? Do you even desire such a success?

Or do you perhaps subconsciously really desire the continuation of this level of sins, crimes and illnesses??? Do you perhaps fear such a success? Do you perhaps fear boredom, superfluousness, lack of work and income the most? And does this influence your performance? And who and what you really support?

Perhaps we should present mankind with a blueprint of what we could and would do with the huge resources we would free up when sins, crimes and illnesses really dramatically went down. Showing clergy, police and docters what mankind could do with real success achieved by them.
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Du_swami and Others I like your thought provoking questions and logic
written by Clement- The Islam-Watch Pastor , February 18, 2011
You could as add the following questions in probing logics what if the creator of this universe had no provision for night and day or only day or night only, what if man is made with only one leg, one hand,one eye, one ears, one man no woman or vice vissa? Have you ever imagine a world without water or land? What if in the wisdom of creator these things were necessary for the total wellbeing of man including good and evil and the right and freedom to make choice between these alternatives. what if there is no place call hell for evil doers or heaven for the righteous? What if in the wisdom of the creator the ability of man to make right decision between good and evil determines whether or not man is going live with him eternally? I could go on and on. It is because of these God revealed himself to man through the scriptures of the Jews his chosen people of revelation where he explained the origin, the purpose of his creation, his plan of redemption and the end of all things. Is it not logical that if this world has a creator, then the onus of explanation and redemption lies with him ?. He will not be a just God if we have to pay our way or work our ways back to him or to be saved because in the first place none of us had choice of coming into this world why should we be responsible for action or inaction if we are not given the opportunity to do so? But God said we can have choice of where we want to go or be in the hereafter. That is why salvation is free. God Himself pay the price he bore the consequences of our wrong choice and invites us to a free gift of salvation to be received through genuine repentance and faith in Christ whom God sent to be the propitiation for our sins (sins means our wrong choice among better alternatives). Cheers
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Sin personified.
written by Reed Wilson. , February 19, 2011
Cardinal Sin, also Jaime Lachica Sin, was a Roman Catholic Archbishop of Manila known for his instrumental role in the People Power Revolution, which toppled the regime of Ferdinand Marcos and installed Corazon Aquino as president of the Philippines.

During his reign, he was considered an influential and charismatic leader of the Filipino people having led another "people power" in 2001.

He died at the age of 76 on 21 June 2005 due to complications to the kidney as a result of diabetes.
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To duh_swami
written by Archpagan , February 19, 2011
I can not fully agree with your last post. Conceiving of the idea of sin should not be considered as the 'Original Sin'. Ancient people could not separate sin from crime. But we modern people are able to do so. A world without the concept of sin and crime would be anarchy. There is no need for a savior or deliverer, law of the Karma always takes its own course. If people understand that there is no need for saviors or deliverers.
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written by vbv , February 19, 2011
Harharharharhar...! What is sin? To the monotheististic nuts the greatest 'sin' is the first of the ten commandments: "Thou shalt not worship any other 'God'". This imaginery spook created by a bunch of crooked charlatans made sure that people are suppressed from questioning and logic. For the Abrahamic "god" ,be it Yahweh or Allah , the greatest sin is recognizing that there can be other "gods". Why? Because this monotheistic cults are extremely intolerant and exclusivist by nature and they do not understand the democratic or secular values but just cruel oppression. No wonder 'islamic' countries are ruled by despots because they still stick by this rotten doctrine while the jews and christians have become more secular and tolerant. In islamic countries ,'sharia' rules the roost , but ofcourse to suit the needs of the despots/mullahs who apply it where it suits them. Monotheism is irrational,fanatical ,brutally oppressive and a very convenient tool in the hands of despots/mullahs/ayatollahs,etc. In short abrahamic cults are the cause for all the wars and sufferings around the world because of their inherently immoral and barbaric nature.
Katherina Sri (ex Noor Aza) Hitler was not a socialist but a fascist, Mao and Stalin were communists ,so also PolPot,Che Guevera,,etc. These people were driven by another 'religion' called communism. They wer not rationalists like Richard Dawkins,Christopher Hitchens, George Bernard Shaw, Bertrand Russel,Sam Harris, Dan Dennet, Steven Weinberg, Richard Feynman,or even Percy Bysse Shelley who were all atheists and great humanists. And there are thousands more like them who are afraid to come out because of persecution by religious fanatics, especially the monotheistc cults of the west Asian origin or the Abrahamic cults. These people have not harmed anyone,far from murdering any other human being,unlike mullahs and imams who call for the blood of anyone who dare criticise their barbaric cult. Ofcourse christianity and judaism have reformed a great deal ,unlike in their past during the dark ages in Europe when it would have been indistinguishable from islam. Mind you more than 80 million hindus have been slaughtered by the muslims who ruled India for almost 900 years. This far outweighs anything else in the history of humanity .
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I like Satan
written by non believer , February 19, 2011
Though I believe man created both God and Satan, I think without Satan creationists wouldn't have a ground to stand on. If he had not enticed Adam, these blokes would not be here at all. Instead of worshiping Satan, they are worshiping God who prevented Adam and Eve copulating. But for Satan they would still be going round trees like a Hindi movie. Thank Satan they ate the apple(me not believing the cock and bull story is another matter). I wish I go to hell if there is one, so that I don't meet Muhammad,Osama and others. Sin is great so is hell. Logic is right. Both Muslims and Christians are brain washed zombies. Katherina Sri is an example. She is verbally violent like Muslims. But Christ was a good man. He had morals which Muhammad lacked. But the whole concept of prophets going to mountains/caves and then telling they are messengers of God is Bullshit.
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written by vbv , February 19, 2011
There is no "god" because this spook does not exist. No godman/saint/prophet/messenger could give any evidence of this male chauvinistic ,megalomaniacal and imaginery creature called 'god' ,except in tales ,unsubstantiated 'miracle tales' that no one has ever seen. Be it Muhamad splitting the moon or Moses splitting the Red sea,or Noah building a boat big enough to accommodate all specimens of the animal kingdom(which is indeed a very , very tall order ,indeed). All of them are far worse than any stupid fairy tale ,be it Rumpelstiltskin, Cindarella, Snowwhite and the seven dwarfs,etc. Atleast most fairy tales are far less malevolent and have some moral behind them . Religious fairy tales are irrational , only inspire awe and fear from a socalled spook called "god" who is cruel, sadistic and with a never-ending bad attitude, self-seeking, craving for adulation, narcissistic,selfish, brutally intolerant.... infact all the attributes of a human despot - and the biggest laugh is that this spook with all this extremely negative traits of a despot is supposed to be "all-merciful". Hahahahahahahaha!.. Some mercy indeed ,this spook has!
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2 Reed
written by Machmoed , February 19, 2011
You wrote: It is serious issue and should be taken up with the law makers. Christians and Muslims believe in his second or third coming. I am not sure of Hindus, Jews Buddhists etc. Jesus himself might not like to break the law of land.
It triggers me that Archpagan once contributed about descending Jesus Christ. He thought he will come at Rome. Rome or wherever, there must be proper legislation.
Our recognizing will only be an issue if we were alive on his coming. Clement may be there.


Thank you, you are a believer, one of the Moettaqoon! Tell me Reed Am i telling the truth?

You know religion sais they will be blinded and He will come as a thief in the night!

Tell me Reed, Am i telling the truth?

Thank you
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written by vbv , February 19, 2011
Monotheistc spooks are immature , given to throwing tantrums like a demented child, and they are reclusive. They are afraid to come out and face intelligent humans, instead their adherents carry out dreadful acts of terror,murder,massacreand plundering to inspire fear and submission. It is the fanatical adherents who do all these barbaric acts ,supposedly at the behest of these superspooks. Why can't these superspooks show their power directly? They cannot because they do not exist ,or they are plainly impotent. Ofcourse fanatics of these cults would come to the rescue of this non-existing impotent "god" and point out natural disastewrs, earthquakes as the "punishments" meted out. That is indeed a very big joke! What about nuclear bombs? or chemical weapons , aircrafts,missiles etc. ? Did these spooks have any knowledge of them. No , otherwise these spooks would have been the firsty to use it on "their own 'creations'". They did not have mobile phones, CDs,DVDs, automobiles,electronic gadgets,computers,internet,etc. These spooks are the products of the charlatans of their times ,be it Moses in the 11 century BCE, Christ, or Muhamad in 7th century CE and that is what they best exemplify: they had no knowledge of what was to come in the 20th,21st. century CE and thereafter. This certainly shows that to believe in such bullshits,trashy craps is an insult to human intelligence, insul;t to knowledge and science and progress.
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written by vbv , February 19, 2011
Above all it is an insult to human civilisation -Continuing from the above posting.
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Mr.
written by 3X , February 19, 2011
written by Usman , February 17, 2011

You kuffar will have to answer Allah for spreading lies about his most beloved Prophet and the person Prophet loved most Hazrat Ayesha.

Hi Usman, you are wrong. Am I answerable to the boss in the company you work ? No because I dont work there.

So stupid Allah sure doen't have authority over me as I dont believe him, get it ?
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written by Reed Wilson. , February 19, 2011
You write "You know religion sais they will be blinded and He will come as a thief in the night! Tell me Reed, Am i telling the truth?

I dont know so many things. This is one thing I dont know. I said 'muslims believe'. I am not among them. So sorry Machmoed.

If he comes, laws should not stop him. Make welcoming laws.

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2 Reed
written by Machmoed , February 19, 2011
What is a muslim Reed? The exact meaning?
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VBV
written by duh_swami , February 19, 2011
Your comments are grounded in reality...I had Hindu Vedanta book called Viveka Chudanami (not sure of spelling) also called 'The Crest Jewel of Discrimination', or 'how to tell the real from the unreal'...You must have read that book, or one like it...or maybe you are a rare person to whom reality comes naturally...
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Thou shall not question...
written by duh_swami , February 19, 2011
From Vbv above...This imaginery spook created by a bunch of crooked charlatans made sure that people are suppressed from questioning and logic.

Questioning and logic lead to true knowledge...The self serving priestly types who made most everything up by misrepresentation, cannot afford questioning and logic...'The Church' called it heresy and persecuted people who strayed from the path set for them...Islam invented sharia for the same purpose, to keep the slaves and serfs in line (Thou shall not question)...The motivation? Personal power and profit...Not for the slave, but for the myth makers...Myth making for profit, by preying on the insecurity of humans...The most profitable and longest running scam in world history...If Allah is real, he must be turning over in his grave over what those charlatans have done...
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Any of Quran worshipers can answer my Questions PLEASE ...
written by fineliving56 , February 19, 2011
Especially this one [I am dying to know]….LOGICALLY.. HOW CAN MUHAMMAD SUPPOSED TO VERIFY THE QURAN AS TRUE BOOK OF GOD ,AND QURAN SUPPOSED TO VERIFT MUHAMMAD AS THE TRUE SPEAKER OF GOD ??????? I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION ..MY ENGLISH DOES NOT HELP ME MAKE MY SELF CLEAR ……………. PLEASE I WANT AN ANSWER I CAN SINK MY TEETH IN TO …NON OF MY ISLAM LOVERS AROUND ME CAN ANSWER ME LOGICALLY .
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To Katharina Sri
written by Healer_999 , February 19, 2011

Why do you append your name with Sri? That too when you claim you are a Christian!

I have no problem of whether you are a Christian or Buddhist. For me any religion is better than Islam.

Another point is you are too jealous and one can see this in your posts. But, there was a time when I too was like you. It will be good if we can be more diplomatic and political.

Lastly, this website is not for glorification of Jesus or any religion. It is strictly for spreading awareness on Islam.
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To Reed
written by Healer_999 , February 19, 2011

Why don't you quit this website?

I have one suggestion for you.

Open a blog of yours and write your s**t on that blog.
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Who is a Muslim.
written by Reed Wilson. , February 19, 2011
Machmoed. So you don't agree with RW that we need a legislation for second coming.

You are asking who is a Muslim. I know you know it and just want a drill from me. I quote some verses:

3:67 Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian but he was true in faith and bowed his will to Allah's which is Islam and he joined not gods with Allah.

Abraham - who preceded Muhammad by some twenty five centuries - is the best example of a Muslim in that he totally surrendered to the will of God.

2:128 "Our Lord! make of us Muslims [Muslimeen] bowing to Thy (Will) and of our progeny a people Muslim [ummata Muslimata] bowing to Thy (Will) and show us our places for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning Most-Merciful.

2:131 "Behold! his Lord said to him: "Bow (thy will to me)" [aslima] He said: "I bow (my will) to [aslamtu] the Lord and Cherisher of the universe."

The Quran only asserts, that Abraham and Ishmael were Muslimoon/ Muslims and as such, the FATHERS of Islam but NOT of the Arabs.
(part 2 follows)


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For Machmoed.
written by Reed Wilson. , February 19, 2011
Part 2 contd. from above.

2:133 Were you witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold he said to his sons: "What will ye worship after me?" They said: "We shall worship thy Allah and the Allah of thy fathers of Abraham Isma`il and Isaac the one (true) Allah to Him we bow (in Islam) [Muslimoona]"

2:134 "That was a People that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did and ye of what ye do! of their merits there is no question in your case!

2:135 "They say: "Become Jews or Christians if you would be guided (to salvation)." Say thou: "Nay! (I would rather) the religion of Abraham the true [Hanifan] and he joined not gods with Allah."

2:136 Say "We believe in Allah and the revelation given to us and to Abraham Isma`il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes [Israelites] and that given to Moses and Jesus and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord we make no difference between one and another of them and we bow to Allah (in Islam)[Muslimoon]"

Hence, according to the Quran, it should be obvious to anyone reading the above verses, that the personalities named such as Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Tribes, Moses, David, Solomon, the Prophets, Zakharia, Yahya, Jesus and the Apostles were either Hebrews, Israelites or Jews; all of whom believed in the one and only Allah and hence were MUSLIMS.

Most important of all is the fact, that they were ALL Muslims centuries BEFORE Muhammad and his Quran. Hence being a Muslim does not require believing that Muhammad was or is the messenger of Allah, but only that the person believes in the One and Only God.

3:64 Say: "O people of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not from among ourselves Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims (bowing to Allah's will) [Muslimoona]."

Above verses were isolated by Dr. IQ Rasooli for his outstanding article 'Who is a Muslim. It includes his commentary.

My keyboard is not typing C without pressing hard. It needs blow.

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verification …related to my earlier post
written by fineliving56 , February 19, 2011
I mean …can a man accused of a crime, write a letter of his innocence and the court supposed to except it as a proof of his innocence with no witnesses to verify it ????? is it not similar to the story of Muhammed with his Quran …….. Muhammed is the man accused and the letter is Quran …..Islam idealizers please do not ignore my Question .
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written by Reed Wilson. , February 19, 2011
To fineliving 56. Your question is for Quran worshiper. I follow Allah through his message contained in Quran. If you consider me competent, I say it is Allah in Quran saying that I am God, Quran is my message, originally in Arabic language which was delivered through my messenger Muhammad.

Muhammad did not verify Quran. Quran verifies itself. It is addressing mankind.


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Reed ..fine ...Allah follower…. if you want to split hairs
written by fineliving56 , February 19, 2011
who is verifying Muhammed's authenticity …he is the one who told the word of Allah and it is Quran ..right …only him was in the cave right …no witnesses right ….how do you know that Allah said that Quran saying that he is God like you said ?????…..only Muhammad is the witness …he brought the Quran and he said I am his prophet ….do you see what I am saying……I mean ...it is very clear is it not ????
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Does it not comes down to ONLY MUHAMMAD CREDIBILITY …right
written by fineliving56 , February 19, 2011
no going around it ….you trust Muhammad [ and by the way ,you Reed ,the Muhammed that we all know about from Hadeeth and Suna is not the real Muhammed …right ]……..only Muhammad that Quran is the word of Allah ..right….no one else around to verify Muhammad …right ….that is not good enough for me Reed …you answer was not satisfying in fact you did not answer the heart of the Question
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written by Reed Wilson. , February 19, 2011
To fineliving You write "He is the one who told the word of Allah and it is Quran ..right …only him was in the cave right …no witnesses right".

Where he 'told' all that? Where cave? We have the book right in our hands. We dont require any witness telling that it is a book. The book has several claims. One can either accept or reject them.

It is believing that matters. Muhammad was messenger as Quran says. Messengers come and go. The message remains. Now it is up to the recipients of the message to treat the message as they like.

This is not my theory. I am writing on basis of Quran finving.

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Hey machmoed, don't try to equate that most evil Mohammed with my Lord Jesus Christ!
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , February 19, 2011
So now you claim to be a pandeist or whatever - but don't try to equate that most evil Mohammed with my Lord Jesus Christ! You see machmed, if you had read the whole Bible and with rational mind, you will find out who my Christian God, our Lord Jesus Christ is. And Jesus is definitely not the God of Islam which is created by the Arabic Pedophile rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, in order to construct pure Arabian kingdom and legitimize his and his tribe’s evil Arabic socio-cultural practises - the Devil is Mohammed's god! I suggest you start with these two fundamental verses, for your real education on shared Judeo-Christianity foundation, where my God of the OT is the same God of the NT as in "before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58). In Genesis 26:24 "I am the God of your father, Abraham," he said. "Do not be afraid, for I am with you and will bless you. I will multiply your descendants, and they will become a great nation. I will do this because of my promise to Abraham, my servant."
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2REED.The Quran has lied in Q3:67
written by Clement- Islam-Watch Pastor , February 19, 2011
Q3:67 says "Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian but he was true in faith and bowed his will to Allah's which is Islam and he joined not gods with Allah." This is a lie, if Abraham was not a jew who was he an Arab? The Bible says in Gen 14:13 " ¶ And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram." Hebrew is the language of the Jews upto today If Abraham was not a Jew why did the Bible call him Abraham the Hebrew? If Q3:67 is true then the Jews are the true Muslim because they did not join true worship of Yahweh the true God with Kaaba worship which is the idolatry of the Arabs which Mohammed join in his worship of the moon god call Allah worshipped by the Arabs long before Muhammad islamised it.

Reed you can see that there is nothing true in that verse but deceipts and lies.
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bvb, here's the proof Hitler is a God-hating Socialist! And that's the truth!
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , February 19, 2011
hate the truth do you vbv! Hitler was a Socialist/Communist Left - The Arab-led Muslim fanatics have always, and still is, using Socialism and Nationalist struggle to hide its Islamic-Arabic agenda, especially in the West now; see http://constitutionalistnc.tri...t/id9.html

HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST
John J. Ray (M.A.; Ph.D.)

....The Demand for Explanation The fact that so many young Germans (particular from the formerly Communist East) today still salute his name and perpetuate much of his politics is also an amazement and a deep concern to many and what can only be called the resurgence of Nazism among many young Germans at the close of the 20th century and onwards would seem to generate a continuing and pressing need to understand the Hitler phenomenon....
And let us listen to Hitler himself on the matter:
"There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, genuine, revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communists always will."
Another quote:
"Of what importance is all that, if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the Party, is supreme over them regardless of whether they are owners or workers. All that is unessential; our socialism goes far deeper. It establishes a relationship of the individual to the State, the national community. Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings."
(Both quotes above are from Hermann Rauschning in Hitler Speaks, London, T. Butterworth, 1940, also called The Voice of Destruction. See e.g. here........
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Reed says it is a matter of believing that is blind faith right?
written by Clement- Islam-Watch Pastor , February 19, 2011
Because the Muhammad says he was the messager Allah and the Quran says so that settles it. No question no confirmation required. That is what is call circular reasoning. No proofs any Dick and Harry can claim that he too was a prophets of God as long as he can back it up with a recitation or a book that will also pass as a messager of Allah for Reed Wilson. Reed has a 21st Century Brain but retained the features and the reasonings of a brain that is of the 7th Century Deserts Beduine Arabs of the Saudi Arabia. Fineliving56 you must be careful trying to reasons with such a person.
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Clement …THANKS
written by fineliving56 , February 19, 2011
CIRCULER REASONING ….THAT THE WORD BEST DESCRIBE WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY TO REED ….HE STILL DID NOT GET IT ….YES .WE ARE ASKED TO BELIEVE IN MUHAMMAD JUST ON THE BASE OF MUHAMMAD WORD AND THAT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH ….NOT IN THE 21 CENTURY ANY WAY .
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Reed
written by fineliving56 , February 19, 2011
You said I do not have to believe ..I can reject ..right…..you bet your life I am rejecting it …because it a lie …because Muhammad is a lier ….because all his followers are liars ….because Quran is a lie …..because Muhammad character is in question ….I rejected as the truth as in every fiber in my being …by the way …if you say take it or leave it…. why you are trying to defend Quran and advertise about it if you do not want us to buy …reed you have spoiled goods you are trying to sell to us and we are not buying .
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Mr.
written by Truth Seeker , February 19, 2011
Shias believe that Muhammad was killed by Aisha and Hafsa. A Shia Cleric declared this in a series of videos. These are worth watching to learn about Mo's death.
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Hitler read Islamic History and Quran
written by vishunath , February 20, 2011
Hitler must have read Islamic History and Quran, and it would have instigated him that this is the only way to gain powers as Muhammad did.
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written by Reed Wilson. , February 20, 2011
Clement. You write "Q3:67 says "Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian but he was true in faith and bowed his will to Allah's which is Islam and he joined not gods with Allah." This is a lie, if Abraham was not a Jew who was he an Arab?

I dont see Arab in the verse 3:67. I give the text:
مَا كَانَ إِبْرَاهِيمُ يَهُودِيًّا وَلَا نَصْرَانِيًّا وَلَـٰكِن كَانَ حَنِيفًا مُّسْلِمًا وَمَا كَانَ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ

So pls. dont get exited and jump on wrong conclusions.

Believing is not blind faith Clement the Pastor. You didnt tell me your belief about the sinners if they will be consigned to flames?

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written by Reed Wilson. , February 20, 2011
vishunath. You write "Hitler must have read Islamic History and Quran, and it would have instigated him that this is the only way to gain powers as Muhammad did".

He mistakingly relied on unreliable 'Islamic History' and was misguided.

History should be history, not Islamic or Christian. Have you ever heard Islamic Physics and Islamic Chemistry?

We very well know that world so far has no reliable history of 7th century AD. What we have is nothing more than conjecture and fiction. He may not have read Quran which says:

وَمَا لَهُم بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ ۖ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا الظَّنَّ ۖ وَإِنَّ الظَّنَّ لَا يُغْنِي مِنَ الْحَقِّ شَيْئًا

"They only follow mere conjecture which can never be a substitute for the Truth". (53:28)
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To duh_swami
written by Archpagan , February 20, 2011
It is Viveka Chudamani meaning 'heights of conscience' not Viveka Chudanami
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To fineliving 56 & Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , February 20, 2011
To put it in legal terms, to the Muslims Koran and Muhammad have power of self attestation. However, the concept of divine Revelation is not unique to Islam. Hindus have God-incarnates, concept of which is not very different from the messenger of God. But, what sets apart Islam from others is the concept of the ever-latest messenger of God, an honor awarded unilaterally to Muhammad, effectively preventing any scope for reconciliation, synthesis and assimilation with other faith systems. Once I asked Reed about its authority. He gave some verse No. only not quoting the same. Because, I think, it was difficult even for a word-spinner like Reed to overstretch the meaning of that verse to mean that Muhammad is the ever-latest Messenger of God. Isn't that Reed?
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Fineliving, you are right!
written by Demsci , February 20, 2011
Fineliving, you are right about Circular Reasoning and Reed selling spoiled goods!

As I have said before; Reed doubts and rejects so much, tirelessly showing the burden-of-proof is on the maker of claims, even ordinary logical ones.

And yet, here he is, with circular reasoning accepting the most extraordinary claims possible, made in the Quran. And corroborated by none else.

Would we admire scientists who brilliantly used their minds on every conceivable theory but ONE, which he accepted without real proof, that was very unsure, contested, ill-supported, unproven, just because he liked that one so much?

Look, it took me a long time too, to no longer cling to the comforting thought of at least having a God and some kind of eternal afterlife, which I craved so much, and which I dreaded to lose so much.

Perhaps Reed can admit as much; that he just NEEDS his "fairy-tale" although he admits it's a gamble with low (minute to me) chances. And he has no alternative for this for him necessary hope and comfort.
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2 reed
written by vishunath , February 20, 2011
read, Hitler was not fool enough just by reading, as you said, "He mistakingly relied on unreliable 'Islamic History' and was misguided." He also would have read and got fascinated by the quran and the verses killing ex muslims (Munafiqoon) and Non muslims, repeated over and over again, in the quran.

By the way, how the hell you are denying your history of Islam? Is it because spreading truth about Islam and conflicting with quran? how did you condemned Tabri, ibn ishaq and others, that they wrote history on Islam? what do you have proof of your statment?

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Reed. The point is not about Arab but that Muhammad had lied and his Quran agreed?
written by Clement- Islam-Watch Pastor , February 20, 2011
Reed I want to assume that you have agreed that the Quran is wrong this time around on Q 3:67
You want to brush it aside by asking me about hell,Why?

Reed I have already answered you and given you my view on Hell and eternal punishment of sinners in the flames of fire of Hell. I referred you to What Muhammad or Quran said about the subject. I thought you will be excited about it at least for once I agreed with Muhammad and his Quran on a subject. The only unfortunate aspect of it all is the truth that If what he said about Hell is true then he would be the first person to be there to be followed by all those who believe and follow the teaching in his book. How do I know that? Because he said the idolaters, the polytheists will go there but he was No 1 Idolater and he instituted Idolatry to all his followers and all those worshipping Blackstone at Keaba on a daily basis even up today. He said fornicators and adulterers, murderers, terrorist and liars will be there but he instituted prostitution and multiple marriage, terrorism and tagiya as a holy thing and do you think he and his followers will escape Hell? He said the infidels will be the faggots and the firewood and fuel of Hell and that boiling hell water will be the abode and are made for the entertainment of disbelievers which I believe he must be the first partaker of such entertainment.

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to all respected readers, except reed wilson
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , February 20, 2011
it is my advice for all respected readers that they should stop corresponding with reed as he has always been trapped many times before and couldn't answer properly to the question. Hence, it is his device to jumble and switch words from here to there just to prove himself a clown.

This clown aka reed will never accept the bitter truth whatsoever. He really come to the point that Quran is changed and Muhammad was liar and pretender, through us. Now he has lost his mind and couldn't see other way than Islam which will, according to his own wit, will take him to the hell.

This loser is still appearing on this website even after he failed to answer my one question, when I asked him if abraham was muslim according to quran, then how allah claimed Muhammad as the first muslim in the quran. he confessed that this question is unanswerable. After that, he is really worthless person for me on this website, and I don't talk with him any further on Islam.

Have a nice day!

Mohammad.A.Khan
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To Mr. vishunath.
written by Reed Wilson. , February 20, 2011
Dear vishunath.I dont know Adolf much. It is all 'may be'.
Munafiqoon are not muslims and p'haps they (ex muslims) were not found. Quran says:

وَقَاتِلُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ الَّذِينَ يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ وَلَا تَعْتَدُوا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمُعْتَدِينَ
"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, and do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors" 2:190.(Dont fight for socio economic reasons)
لَيْسُوا سَوَاءً ۗ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ أُمَّةٌ قَائِمَةٌ يَتْلُونَ آيَاتِ اللَّهِ آنَاءَ اللَّيْلِ وَهُمْ يَسْجُدُونَ
"Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration". 3:113
إِلَّا الَّذِينَ يَصِلُونَ إِلَىٰ قَوْمٍ بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَهُمْ مِيثَاقٌ أَوْ جَاءُوكُمْ حَصِرَتْ صُدُورُهُمْ أَنْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ أَوْ يُقَاتِلُوا قَوْمَهُمْ ۚ وَلَوْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَسَلَّطَهُمْ عَلَيْكُمْ فَلَقَاتَلُوكُمْ ۚ فَإِنِ اعْتَزَلُوكُمْ فَلَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ وَأَلْقَوْا إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَمَ فَمَا جَعَلَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ سَبِيلًا [٤:٩٠]4:90 "Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).

وَقَفَّيْنَا عَلَىٰ آثَارِهِمْ بِعِيسَى ابْنِ مَرْيَمَ مُصَدِّقًا لِمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ ۖ وَآتَيْنَاهُ الْإِنْجِيلَ فِيهِ هُدًى وَنُورٌ وَمُصَدِّقًا لِمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَهُدًى وَمَوْعِظَةً لِلْمُتَّقِينَ [٥:٤٦]
And in their footsteps I sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah".
وَلْيَحْكُمْ أَهْلُ الْإِنْجِيلِ بِمَا أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ فِيهِ ۚ وَمَنْ لَمْ يَحْكُمْ بِمَا أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ [٥:٤٧]
Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

You write "By the way, how the hell you are denying your history of Islam? Is it because spreading truth about Islam and conflicting with quran? how did you condemned Tabri, ibn ishaq and others, that they wrote history on Islam? what do you have proof of your statment?

Because there is no reliable history of 7th century. The names you mention are all late comers and they lack sources. Informed people know that.

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written by duh_swami , February 20, 2011
Archpagan ,
It is Viveka Chudamani meaning 'heights of conscience' not Viveka Chudanami

Except for the spelling error, I quoted the title of the book...
I didn't write it, but I did read it...It was a long time ago...I think the commentary was by Swami Chinmayananda...I knew Swami Chinmayananda in person...He used to come to America to conduct spiritual camps that I attended...He would have individual conversations in private where he would answer the inquirers questions before they asked him...He once sent me a thank you for some small thing I did, it was his booklet, titled, 'I love you', which was an in depth discussion on love...I still have it...
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Mohammad.A.Khan
written by duh_swami , February 20, 2011
Thank you for the compliment the other day about 'sin'...Your observations about Reed are correct in my opinion...I don't mind him too much because he gives posters something to post about...My objection is too much of him...He dominates this site...As I have said numerous times, this is Islam-watch, not Reed Wilson-watch...His Islam is not the Islam we should be watching, so most of the time, he is a distraction...
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historians
written by fineliving56 , February 20, 2011
If Tabari and Iben Isha'k and others are all not reliable …so what makes one person alone like Muhammed ,reliable and others all put together ,not …is that logical ….to me I will believe people who never killed or did a crime in there lives comparing to one who's character in question and proven a killer from the lie of a book[ Quran ] it self that he wont us to follow ….
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Demsci
written by fineliving56 , February 20, 2011
thank you for saying that …I have come to the conclusion that Reed and people like him muslim idealizers , have a gloss on there eyes they do not see clearly…. similar to a couple who just fell in love they do not see the flaws of each other even when it clear to others and they worn them of the flaws but still give all kind of excuses to stay in the relation ship

I have to tell you I still cling to the idea of God …it is sort of soft blanket that a child likes to cling to when worried and need comforting …it is hard for me to admit that ,but that exactly what happen to me when my brother died early in his life and I remember clinging to the idea I am going to see him in the after life ,even when I was not sure about heaven and hell and thought it was just a scared tactic brought by God in Quran for people to stay in line .
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reed
written by vishunath , February 20, 2011
reed, you said, "Because there is no reliable history of 7th century. The names you mention are all late comers and they lack sources. Informed people know that. "

Now you tell me, how do you pray and how many bows and prostration you do while you pray? because in my information, there is nowhere in the quran that explains about the mehod of Muslim prayer. I want to know what is the method of Muslim prayer. it is in Ahadiths and seera of muhammad that you totally reject.
answer my question please.
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to fineliving (sorry for you)
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , February 20, 2011
Fine living, i am sorry to tell you that you will never see your siblings or beloved ones after this life. neither you nor anyone else. this is the bitter truth which took a long time to me to accept. All i can say, I am sorry.

have a nice day!

Mohammad.A.Khan
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Allah is not perfect,according to Allah
written by lw1 , February 20, 2011
2.106 Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause to be forgtton, but we bring (in place) one BETTER or the like thereof.
Allah is admitting here that he always does not get it perfectly right.

More than 60% of Quran is threats and hatred, why should anyone trust it,except for selfish personal reasons?
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Mohammad. A Khan
written by fineliving56 , February 20, 2011
Yes I feel sorry too ..we can not help it …if there is a merciful God he/she/it will never be cruel enough to take our loved ones, the ugly way it always happens ….you feel your heart just ripped out right form your chest …someone told me once …we better off not to cling to anyone so deeply...we should always have it in mind we might loose them at any moment and we should except death as part of live like eating and drinking and instead , work on the quality of the time you spend with them to make good and happy times and memoirs that will last after they leave us .
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To Mr. Vishunath.
written by Reed Wilson. , February 21, 2011
vishunath. In your Feb. 20, post you raised two points.

1.Hitler was fascinated by the Quran where there are verses killing ex muslims (Munafiqoon) and Non muslims, repeated over and over again.

2.Islamic history is spreading truth about Islam and conflicting with Quran and Tabri, ibn ishaq and others, were the reliable historians of early Islam.

In reply I submitted following:

1.There were no ex muslims.
2.Munafiqoon are not non muslims.
3.Quran 2:190 saying fight only those who fight with you and do not fight on socio economic issues
4.Quran 3:113. Saying there are nice people among people of book.
5.Quran 4:90. Saying that do not fight with people with whom you have agreement and those who don’t want to continue fighting. You have no right to continue hostility with them.
6.There was no reliable history of 7th century. The names you mention are all late comers and they lack sources. Informed people know that.

Now you are asking:
“Now you tell me, how do you pray and how many bows and prostration you do while you pray? Because in my information, there is nowhere in the Quran that explains about the method of Muslim prayer. I want to know what the method of Muslim prayer is. It is in Ahadiths and seera of Muhammad that you totally reject”.

I am happy that other issues pointed by you earlier are settled.

Method of prayer is given in Quran. It is given in great detail. You cannot find method of prayer in Hadith. It is nowhere in hadis.
Whenever I tell my friends to reject hadis, method of prayer is their first reaction. It is because they have neither read Quran nor hadis.


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written by Reed Wilson. , February 21, 2011
Duh-swami. You write "His Islam is not the same Islam we should be watching".

Which Islam you like; one presented by RW or the one you should be watching?

Reed-watch: Did you notice that if RW doesn't answer one question, the poser froths at his mouth with anger, severs all terms and considers him worthless? Now there are many posters asking him questions.
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non-believer - you can worship Satan all you want!
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , February 21, 2011
So, you called me as being verbally violent; for criticizing the extremely Satanic violent Arabic Pedophile rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, who craeted Islam, in order to construct pure Arabian kingdom and legitimize his and his tribe’s evil Arabic socio-cultural practises?! Yes, we can figure out why you love Satan allright!
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TO REED WILSON
written by steadyfriend , February 21, 2011
TO REED WILSON

fineliving56 writes

Does it not comes down to ONLY MUHAMMAD CREDIBILITY …right
written by fineliving56 , February 19, 2011
no going around it ….you trust Muhammad [ and by the way ,you Reed ,the Muhammed that we all know about from Hadeeth and Suna is not the real Muhammed …right ]……..only Muhammad that Quran is the word of Allah ..right….no one else around to verify Muhammad …right ….that is not good enough for me Reed …you answer was not satisfying in fact you did not answer the heart of the Question

Reed, fineliving56 has a point, you know !

I mean, Mohammed proclaimed himself as the last Messenger of God, because the Quran says so. And the Quran was entirely what Mohammed said ! This is Circular Reasoning !

Mohammed thought of all the things said in the Quran, which “lacked sources”, as you say in your most recent comment. How reliable then, are the ayats in Quran, especially when the finalised version of the Quran was compiled from disparate sources, many years after Mo’s death ? By then, many of the persons who had heard Mo speak had either forgotten or had died ?

Upon reading the Quran, it dawned on me that at least on THREE occasions, whenever Mo landed in a sticky situation, the following morning he proclaimed a new verse ( he said he had received from Allah), WHICH FAVOURED HIM ! How very convenient ! A more plausible explanation is that this guy had thought over the matter overnight and produced a verse which would favour him, knowing the gullible masses would believe him !

What fineliving56 says below is true !

written by fineliving56 , February 20, 2011
If Tabari and Iben Isha'k and others are all not reliable …so what makes one person alone like Muhammed ,reliable and others all put together ,not …is that logical ….to me I will believe people who never killed or did a crime in there lives comparing to one who's character in question and proven a killer from the lie of a book[ Quran ] it self that he wont us to follow ….

Given these conditions, why do you and other muslims believe the Quran to be God’s words ? And why do you state “Quran verifies itself. It is addressing mankind.” ?
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TO REED WILSON
written by steadyfriend , February 21, 2011

In particular, I mean Tabari, Ishaq and all the other commentators are all WRONG, while Mohammed alone, without any proof or evidence and " lacking in sources", is all RIGHT ? So, the Quran, spoken by Mohammed alone, is all right, is this what you say ?

In that case, Tabari, Ishaq and others too are all sound, for they have some corraborating evidence in support.

Your total belief in the Quran (dictated by Mo) being true, verifying itself and addressing mankind is illogical and nonsensical.
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Mr. Khan, God is not our Nanny!
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , February 21, 2011
The Bible taught us that Adam and Eve, living in a sinless paradise, decided out of their free will as graciously given by God, due to arrogance, to follow evil. Thus, due to this 'Fall', out of that free will, God let human beings live freely in the world - but He will judge at the end of the world as we Christians believe, as no evil will go unpunished. Most of wickedness are human-made including diseases, such as from smoking and environmental pollution and so on. As Pastor Willhelm Busch (who was jailed a few times by the Nazis) argued, "From its very first chapters, the Bible states that man has separated himself from God. And at the fall, he dragged all of creation with him. It is as though a lock-gate had been opened. Suffering, death, distress, and injustice all flooded the world.
The Bible affirms clearly that the world we live in is not the way God wanted it. We live in a fallen world where sin reigns and where the devil, the "murderer" and "father of lies", holds such power that he is called the "god of this world". (Busch, W. Jesus: our destiny, Basel, Brunnen Publishing, 2005, p. 72).
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Correct reference
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , February 21, 2011
Busch, W., Jesus: our destiny, Basel, Brunnen Publishing, 2005, p. 72.
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Katharina Sri/Reed
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2011
I don't think you are verbally violent, but you are enthusiastic...That's not a criticism, enthusiasm is actually required, and everyone has their own style of it...

Reed...
Which Islam you like; one presented by RW or the one you should be watching?

I don't like either...The lessor of two evils is still evil...I'm waiting for you to acknowledge the evil in the Quran, but you never will...You just try to explain it away...I'm sorry to tell you that your attempts to explain away the evil of Quran and it's child Islam are not working...the evil is still there...It's been there for 1400 years...there is no sign that the evil is going away any time soon...
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reed
written by vishunath , February 21, 2011
read you write, "2.Munafiqoon are not non muslims."
however, your quran states in chapter 63, which goes as

When the hypocrites come to you, they say: We bear witness that you are most surely Allah's Messenger; and Allah knows that you are most surely His Messenger, and Allah bears witness that the hypocrites are surely liars. Quran 1:63

They make their oaths a shelter, and thus turn away from Allah's way; surely evil is that which they do.
Quran 2:63

Now ever after this you claim that Munafiqs or hypocrites are not no muslims?

reed, whether you pray or not, how many Muslims, according to islam, should prostrate in the dawn's prayer and how many rakaats in the same prayer?

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to Katharina
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , February 21, 2011
My dear Katharina, I respect your ideas and believes that you are following. Atleast I am happy that Christianity do not teach hatred as far as Quran does. And we are seeing this practically in the Muslim-world, how they are brutals not only to non-muslims but also to other muslims too.

like you said that we live in the world of sin, which was not supposed to be as your god wanted. like i said in my one of the post to Duh Swami, that he presented a wise quote that sin is very important, which I further shared a little part of my thoughts.

you very well aware of me that I keep saying here that I am atheist, is just because I have already experimented the religion, regardless Islam, christianity, Judaism or any, which made me very cautious. I got deceived by religion once, why should I go for another deceive.

I wish that you get from what you believe in your religion and hereafter. on the other hand, I don't have any god, only i am the god of myself and I am happy with it. I know what i am doing, and what I have to do.

have a sweet day!

Mohammad.A.Khan
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To Mr. Muhammad. A. Khan.
written by Reed Wilson. , February 21, 2011
Dear Mr. Khan. Please realize that I don’t know everything and may not be able to answer every question.
•Some questions are too simple to reply.
•Some questions are not answered as they demand too long reply and research to accommodate in these pages.
•Some questions are answered but are considered as unanswered due to sift software of this site.
•Some not answered due to lack of knowledge of both the questioner and respondent.

Once a high school girl sent problem of solving her quadratic equation to Albert Einstein. Prof. wrote her that it took him very long to solve that equation. At another occasion he replied “Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you mine are still greater”.

You write “when I asked him if Abraham was Muslim according to Quran, then how Allah claimed Muhammad as the first Muslim in the Quran. He confessed that this question is unanswerable”.

Since you are saying, that I ever answered like that, I will not contest. I quote the verses you are referring:
لَا شَرِيكَ لَهُ ۖ وَبِذَٰلِكَ أُمِرْتُ وَأَنَا أَوَّلُ الْمُسْلِمِينَ
وَأُمِرْتُ لِأَنْ أَكُونَ أَوَّلَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ

In both places (6:163 and 39:12) the translation is “And I am commanded that I
shall be the first of those who submit. No such claim.

When he invited people to Islam, he naturally said I already believe what I am asking you to believe. We know that Allah himself has said in Quran that Abraham and his followers were Muslims. Do you refer to any other verse?

You know clowns are to entertain people. They don’t hurt. Losers should be appreciated by winners. How could they be winners if there were no losers?
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To Steadyfriend.
written by Reed Wilson. , February 21, 2011
steadyfriend. Thanks for directing question to me. You ask "In particular, I mean Tabari, Ishaq and all the other commentators are all WRONG, while Mohammed alone, without any proof or evidence and " lacking in sources", is all RIGHT?

My friend many a times I have proved that Tabri Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Hisham and others have no moorings.

You know that they are not contemporary of Muhammad and their sources are not sources. In short I tell you that Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hisham are found in Tabri only. Tabri refers to Ibn Hisham and he to Ibne Ishaq and no published work of Ibn Ishaq is available to mankind.

It is a truth that history of 7th century is not available so far.

Muhammad is right or wrong I am not saying that. Nor it can be proved with that logic. You are the one who will judge.

If you are basing your research on Tabri/Hisham/Ishaq or Bakaka, you are doing so at the risk of quality of your work.
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To Mr. vishunath.
written by Reed Wilson. , February 21, 2011
vishunath. Yes you are right. You quoted:

"When the hypocrites come to you, they say: We bear witness that you are most surely Allah's Apostle; and Allah knows that you are most surely His Apostle, and Allah bears witness that the hypocrites are surely liars". (63:1)

Where non Muslims? It is a separate category. There can be munafiqoon among any denomination of religion.

Pls appreciate they saying "We bear witness that you are most surely Allah's Apostle" they should have rather been Muslims. Allah says they are liars.

I enjoyed and appreciate your curiosity. Your sincerity will lead you to the truth.

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steadyfrind
written by fineliving56 , February 21, 2011
True , logical and making sense sadly , are not words could describe religious people …we could be posting here and talking ,until we are blue in the face [ or perhaps develop hand nerve tic from writing here …lol ] …..the questions I presented earlier are Questions I ask moderates muslim some times and no satisfying answers comes my way ….I remember one muslim woman I know said to me : Are you a Muslim or not ?...you have to take Quran as it is or you will go to Jahannem ..Questioning is in its self is HARAM ,Quran is true BECAUSE MUHAMMAD SAID SO AND THAT ALL THE PROVE I NEED AND THAT WHAT YOU SHOULD DO …WE HAVE NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER …I remember saying I do have a choice and I am sorry my friend , I am not nor will ever leave my brain at the door when it comes to Islam or Quran or Muhammad …..apparently I am no good friend any more to her anymore ,she cut off friendship with me and that no loss to me .
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reed
written by vishunath , February 21, 2011
reed you write, "When the hypocrites come to you, they say: We bear witness that you are most surely Allah's Apostle; and Allah knows that you are most surely His Apostle, and Allah bears witness that the hypocrites are surely liars". (63:1)

Where non Muslims? It is a separate category. There can be munafiqoon among any denomination of religion."

so it means that it doesn't matter if your allah sent curses on any, so they remain Muslims and those cursed ones will goto heaven. My goodness. If those cursed ones will go to heaven, then why Shaitan will go to hell. he was also cursed ones. Did allah say about shaitan he was non-Muslim? Now be specific reed, as you asked me
"Where non Muslims?" now prove from quran that Shaitan is Non-Muslim. I believe that shaitan is cursed one in the quran, then why he will go to hell for eternity?

And by the way, you completely skipped the part of prayers that I asked you. hahahahaha!
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Pandeism fully accounts for all theistic myths
written by Pandeism , February 21, 2011
Pandeism is a theological system which combines reconcilable elements of Pantheism with Deism, attempting to answer open questions left by each with aspects of the other. Deism proposes that God created the Universe and then left it to operate and develop by it's own governing dynamics. Pantheism proposes that God is equivalent to a Universe which has always existed, and that God exists and operates as those governing dynamics. Pandeism concludes that elements of both are correct, that God did create our Universe, but that it did not "leave it" but instead completely became the energy of which all things are made and the unconscious governing dynamics by which all things operate. Such a model was first proposed by the Milesian School of Ancient Greece. The modern name of the theory was coined in 1787 by a German bookseller annotating the Natural History of Pliny the Elder.

The great benefits of this pandeistic model are:

It accounts for the state of our Universe with the fewest assumptions required of any theological model. The whole of the set of assumptions necessary for Pandeism are:

-- that ours may be a Created Universe, and if this is so, then our Creator necessarily possessed these characteristics:
-- sufficient power to set forth the forces of which our Universe is composed
-- sufficent intelligence to set forth the governing dynamics guiding those forces into the states which we observe
-- rationality, for ours is a rational Universe, consistent in the application of those governing dynamics
-- a rational motivation to create such a Universe as ours.

Under the pandeistic model it need NOT be assumed that our Creator is a conscious and active deity who chooses to act or not act, and is opposed by some evil entity presumed to have been created by it as well. It does not continue to interfere in our Universe, judge or condemn, send seeming conflicting messages to prophets of various faiths, or create or permitted any other spiritual forces to contend with man.

Pandeism fully accounts for ALL claimed miracles, revelations, scripture, prophecy, egrigori, spiritual activity, spiritual emotion, etc, and it does so for ALL faiths. It explains that if any of these occur at all, then they are simply manifestations of the power of our Creator unconsciously underlying our Universe, as unwittingly misread through the biased minds of human observers.
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written by Reed Wilson. , February 22, 2011
To vishunath. You asked me "Now you tell me, how do you pray and how many bows and prostration you do while you pray? because in my information, there is nowhere in the quran that explains about the mehod of Muslim prayer. I want to know what is the method of Muslim prayer. it is in Ahadiths and seera of muhammad that you totally reject".

vishunath, this was taken up by me. Method of salat is given in Quran. I did write that method of salat is not given in hadis either. I did not skip.

On this site, at times, I have given the entire configuration of salat. Verses relating wuzu, timings of slat, ingredients of salat, tone in slat etc were given. I can repeat all that if you want.

Method of slat is always advanced in support of hadis whereas it is not in hadis either.
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reed
written by vishunath , February 22, 2011
reed, simply answer me how many prostrations are in one rakaat of a prayer. this is my final question I am asking you, while you are trying to tell rubbish and talking out of context. Just tell me how many prostrations are in one rakaat. you can simply answer me by saying, None, or can say 1, 2, 3 or 4 or more, rather than talkin illogical. i am not interested when, where you posted about the configuration of salaat. if this time you fail to reply me properly and in a simpler way, I will understand you are piece of garbage.
and yes, also don't forget to prove from quran that Shaitan is non-Muslim.
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TO REED WILSON
written by steadyfriend , February 22, 2011
Reed, you have to explain why you take the Quran, dictated solely by Muhammad, to be TRUE & THE WORDS OF GOD !

Despite the fact that it contains so many ayats which go against women and against non-muslims, particularly against the Jews.

Can't you see that the Quran is a catalogue of hatred, violence and terrorism ?

How do you explain Allah splurting threats, violence and terrorism (in the Quran) against non muslims ?

If it was truly the words of God, it would be loving, caring and compassionate for EVERYONE, including NON-MUSLIMS !

After all, many of the holy men who appeared before Muhammad, e.g. Buddha, were kind, compassionate and endearing to everyone. Even the Persian emporer, Cyrus the Great was more humane than Muhammad, proclaiming a Human Rights Charter and equality for all, even those who were not of his faith. THESE ARE SIGNS OF HOLINESS & GREATNESS !

With Muhammad, you had none of these. The choice he gave the non-muslim Arabs (often called pagans) was Islam or death. Can this be right ?

And what about his pathological hatred of the Jews ? Clearly, Muhammad did not believe in 'multicultural society' ! In his last sermon, he instructed his followers to cleanse Arabia of all non-muslims, which was implemented by one of the later Caliphs. Is this truly the sign of a great religious leader and prophet of God ?

The only explanation can be that the Quran was conceived and thought up by the lunatic and despotic tyrant Muhammed, he wanted a book which would favour him and cover up all his misdeeds, you will agree, won't you ?

To cap it all, you disbelieve in all the other writings (Ahadiths & Sunna) put together, simply because small parts of these went against Muhammad, or showed him in a bad light.

Your staunch defence of the Quran beggars belief and throws serious doubts on your rationality and judgement.
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written by Reed Wilson. , February 23, 2011
steadyfriend. Thanks for the post.

I am sorry, all your claims are unfounded.
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written by Reed Wilson. , February 23, 2011
vishunath. Thank you for allowing me "You can simply answer me by saying, None, or can say 1, 2, 3 or 4 or more, rather than talking illogical".

"I don't know" is no option there. I am sorry I don't know. I don't even know what a rakat is. Do you know?
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reed
written by vishunath , February 23, 2011
reed look at your own contradiction of your words as you wrote in one of your blog:

"vishunath, this was taken up by me. Method of salat is given in Quran. I did write that method of salat is not given in hadis either. I did not skip.

On this site, at times, I have given the entire configuration of salat. Verses relating wuzu, timings of slat, ingredients of salat, tone in slat etc were given. I can repeat all that if you want.

Method of slat is always advanced in support of hadis whereas it is not in hadis either."

And in the last post you wrote:

"I don't know" is no option there. I am sorry I don't know. I don't even know what a rakat is. Do you know? "

reed do you see the contradiction in your own words. I dont understand, how the hell you configured about salat and prayers showing to otehrs, while you himself is illeterate about salat and rakat? this proved that the follower of the quran is always a liar but not trusted one. Look you confessed yourself. you are a liar reed. how people can trust you. I am done with you and I don't like liars. I got it now, that is why you were trying to waste my and others time. good luck reed, stick with quran, which teach you to tell lie and reject truth.
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written by duh_swami , February 23, 2011
steadyfriend. Thanks for the post.
I am sorry, all your claims are unfounded.

No they are not unfounded...It is your version of Islam that is unfounded...There is evil expressed in the Quran which you neglect to explain...I have asked you about this before and you didn't reply...

Do you support the evil in Quran? If you claim there is none, you are lying and ducking reality...
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written by Reed Wilson. , February 23, 2011
vishunath. "reed look at your own contradiction of your words as you wrote in one of your blog".

You are right vishunath. I dont disown. I cannot disown.

I did not say that I know what is one rakat is equal to. Rakat is not in Quran. Rakat is not defined in Haidis even.

It is a practice vishu. I also follow that. I dont know where it came from.

I follow because I dont reject it. I have accepted it. It is my decision.

Dont entertain misgivings about RW. There is communication gap and we both are on different planes.
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i am a true muslim
written by ibraheem , March 05, 2011
islam shall rule all
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written by Reed Wilson. , March 07, 2011
ibraheem. You write "islam shall rule all". How you say that Ibrahim? Do you find this kind of promise in Qruan? Allah says:

وَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ فَيُوَفِّيهِمْ أُجُورَهُمْ ۗ وَاللَّـهُ لَا يُحِبُّ الظَّالِمِينَ

You will have to qualify for the reward. The condition is given above.

Quran does not say وَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا فَيُوَفِّيهِمْ أُجُورَهُمْ ۗ وَاللَّـهُ لَا يُحِبُّ الظَّالِمِينَ

This وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ is repeated many times. No people will have any preferential treatment.

If you have any other logic, please inform.

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Good question. No, Christians who understand the historicity of the Bible do not credit Mohammed with anything other than writing the Qur'an, which became the holy book of Islam. I, as a Christian, am reading the Qur'an myself to contrast it to the Bible. Honestly, the Qur'an borrows heavily from the Bible but ultimately distorts many of the historical facts. (For example, The Qur'an hijacks characters from the Bible including Abraham, Jesus, and Moses and makes them Islamic. All of history shows that Abraham, Jesus, and Moses were Jewish. The Qur'an speaks out against Jews and Christians repeatedly.)

The Qur'an was written by ONE person, in a 23 year period, over SIX CENTURIES after the last book of the Bible. The Bible was written over a 1600 year period, by over 40 authors, which included contemporaries of Jesus Himself. Which is more credible? The books that were written by those that included Jesus' followers and contemporaries. They who had personally met Jesus (including Matthew, John, Peter, and then Paul by a post-ascension appearance) wrote the New Testament. Six centuries later, Muhammad had no direct contact with Jesus.

When you read the Bible, you will see a lot of internal references to other works in the Bible. This proves consistency because the people who were documenting the history, were validating the other historical figures in Scripture (e.g., Jesus referred to Moses, Jonah; Peter referred to Paul; David who wrote the Psalms was the same David described in 1 and 2 Samuel). There are internal consistencies in the Bible, not the Qur'an-- except that the Qur'an was written by only one person.
The 40+ authors of the Bible described lands and peoples that could be validated by archaeology. the Qur'an, at best borrowed from the Bible, second-hand, and drew its own isolated conclusions.

In summary, Christians recognize the Bible as THE authentic message from God and the Qur'an as a second-hand, man-made borrowing from the Bible. No true prophet would borrow from another source, he would get his message straight from God. The Qur'an (which I am reading for myself), does not evidence anything more than a measure of (with all due respect) plagiarism from the Bible. Muhammad is a false prophet.
Muhammad accepted Jesus as a prophet, so he claimed , but he did not accept Jesus's words. Jesus prophesied that he was going to be killed but Muhammad said Jesus was never killed.
Muhammad accepted Isaiah and Daniel as prophets, so he claimed, but he did not accept their words. Both Isaiah and Daniel said the messiah would be killed but Muhammad said Jesus was not killed.
Muhammad could not differentiate Satan from God.
Muhammad says Ishmael was a prophet. What did Ishmael prophesied?

Islam is the Catholics of the east. They plunder and killed people who opposed them. After Jesus came and established peace to mankind, then came Muhammad telling Muslims to kill the people of the book (Jesus's people) During the Dark Ages the catholic church came in the name of Jesus ( using Jesus as a facade )to deviate from the truth, and to prosecute YAH's people.

The burden of proof is upon Muhammad not on Jesus. Jesus didnot believe in Muhammad, Muhammad believe in Jesus.
December 6, 2009 - Sunday
Black people, Muhammad is a false prophet.
Category: Religion and Philosophy

Stop trying to teach the people that 2+2= 3.

It just doesn’t add up.



Many Muslim scholars, when asked why Jesus did not speak about Muhammad if he (Muhammad) is such a significant prophet, used the book of John chapter 14 verses 16 and 17 (John14:16-17) in their defense; claiming the Comforter (The Spirit of truth) is Muhammad.

My fellow Africans, brothers and sisters, our ancestors fought for physical freedom, but now we are called to stand up for our right and emancipate ourselves from mental slavery; none but ourself can free our mind.

Muhammad accepted Jesus as a prophet, so the burden of proof lies on Muslims to prove that Muhammad is a prophet of God, using the bible and not the quran.
Muslim scholars want us to believe that the burden of proof lies on Christians and Jews to prove from the quran that Muhammad is a false Prophet. Neither Christians nor Jews accept Muhammad as a prophet of God, but Muslims accept Abraham, Isaac, Moses, Jesus, and the other bible prophets as holy prophets of Allah. The bible is the prototype not the quran.

Just like some, no good, greedy, money hungry, preachers who use a few verses from the bible to get into people pockets; these Muslim scholars use a few verses to get into our minds.

Now African people, great and wise people, let see if 2+2=3

According to Sura 61:6, Jesus mentioned Ahmed (Muhammad). This is fabrication. It also Quote Jesus as saying he’s the messenger of Allah. Allah is no where mentioned in the scriptures.


John 14 (Is Muhammad the Comforter)
Verse 6 – No man comes to God but by Jesus (not Muhammad) Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light.



Verse 12 – If you believe in Jesus you would do the works of Jesus. Did Muhammad have the same occupation as Jesus? NO. Muhammad was a murderer, Jesus is a healer.



Verse 15 – If you love Jesus keep his commandments. “Love thy enemies and do good.” Did Muhammad love Jesus? I leave you to answer this for yourselves.



Verse 16 – The Comforter will be given. Who did Muhammad comfort? Muhammad and his cronies savagely ravaged whole communities, murdering men and raping their wives (this include both Jews and Arabs).



Verse 17 – The Spirit of truth, the Comforter, was with the disciples of Jesus hundreds of years before Muhammad. Was Muhammad the Spirit of truth. NO. According to Surah 10:94-95: “And thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which we reveal unto thee, then question the people who read the scriptures (that was) before thee. Verily the truth from the lord hath come to thee, so be not of the waverers. And be not thou of those who deny the revelation of Allah…”



Muhammad message was supposed to be consistent with the prophets before him, but is it. The prophet Daniel and the prophet Isaiah foretold the crucifixion of Jesus but the “prophet” Muhammad said he was not crucified.



Verse 23 –To love Jesus is to do what he (Jesus) says. To love Jesus is to be loved by God. Now here is the question again: Did Muhammad love Jesus? NO. “Love thy neighbor as thyself.” Muhammad murdered his neighbors. Does God love Muhammad? I leave you to answer this for yourselves.



Verse 24 –Jesus did not speak his own words. Why would God be telling Muslims to be enemies and to fight with his own people who follow his prophets: Surah 5:51 – “Believers take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” Surah 9:27 – “fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given (Jews and Christians)… until they pay tribute out of their hand and utterly subdued.”


Verse 26 – The Holy Spirit is the Comforter (the Spirit of truth) "He will bring to your rememberance all that I said to you." What did the Holy Spirit bring to the remenberance of the disciples and the apostles? : Peter - “do not repay evil for evil or insult for insult” Paul –“recompense to no man evil for evil”
Steven- "Lord do not hold this sin against them" John- “do not believe every spirit, but test the spirit to see whether it is from God (this is how we recognize the Spirit of truth) because many false prophets have gone out in the world." Jesus actually said all these things that the disciple and the apostles said years later; "But I tell you: love your enemies and pray for them who prosecute you," Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gather from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they?" But what did Muhammad say?: "Prophets make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home."-Surah 9:73. Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them."- Surah 9:121-



What does Jesus think of Muhammad? : “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand for the truth because the truth is not in him…”




to be continued...
In answer to Jesus- is- a- Muslim

“You are in error because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God" - Matthew 22:29

Luke 12:49-51 interprets Matthew 10:34-36. The sword mentioned in Matthew 10:34 is a metaphor for conflicts. The disbeliefs of many will cause conflicts, division and persecution. Guess what? That's exactly what happened: Early Christians were killed for their beliefs at the hands of both Jews and the Roman Empire. Even today Christians are persecuted in the Muslim world because of their faith.

Luke 19:27 is a verse from a parable (a story) this is not about Jesus (read previous verses)

Jesus did NOT kill anyone or teach his disciples to kill, instead he teaches:
Luke 6:35 "But love your enemies, and do good,..."
Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the peace makers, for they will be called sons of God"
Mark 12:31 "...thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself"

John 2:15 - Jesus was vexed with the people in the temple but he did no harm to them. What he did was for their own good.

Luke 22:36 - The sword is a weapon of combat. Jesus was telling his disciples it was time to fight the fight of faith; armed themselves for the war ahead, not physically but mentally and spiritually. Noticed when Peter drew his sword Jesus told him to put it back (Matthew 26: 52). The war is not physical because we are not up against human beings, but against spiritual wickedness in high places. The same disciple who drew the sword later admonished, “Do not repay evil for evil or insult for insult, but with blessings”
Ephesians 6: 11- “Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wile of the devil”
1 Peter 5:8- “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.”


According to Quran, Muhammad, when in doubt, was to turn to the people who read the scriptures, that was, before him. His message was supposed to be consistent with the message of the prophets before him, including Jesus- S.10:94-95, S.42:15, S.43:43-45, S.6:89-90.

While Jesus told us to “turn the other cheek,” Muhammad was telling his followers to kill people.
Muhammad’s biggest mistake is his acceptance of Jesus as a prophet.

What did Jesus say about Muhammad?
John 8: 44- “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him…”

A GOD OF ALL PEACE, LOVE, MERCY AND GOODNESS (A GOD OF MORAL PERFECTION™) OR AN EVIL ALLAH (the ANTI GOD) OF EXTERMINATION, GENOCIDE, ASSASSINATION, MURDER, HATE, TERROR, TORTURE, BRUTALITY, SLAVERY, RAPE.

HITLER/NAZISM AND COMMUNISM WERE THE LIFE AND DEATH DEFINING ISSUES OF THE GREATEST GENERATION.  ISLAM IS THE LIFE AND DEATH DEFINING ISSUE FOR THE SECOND GREATEST GENERATION AND THEIR CHILDREN.

DESTROY THE QURAN OR BE DESTROYED BY IT

 

 

         VIOLENCE COMMITTED FOR GOD                      

 

Qur'an:8:72

"Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave them shelter and aided them are your allies. You are only called to protect Muslims who fight."

Qur'an:8:73

"The infidels aid one another. Unless you do the same there will be anarchy in the land. Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause are good Muslims."

Ishaq:451

"Among us was Allah's Apostle whose command we obey. When he gives an order we do not examine it. The spirit descends on him from his Lord. We tell him about our wishes and our desires which is to obey him in all that he wants. Cast off fear of death and desire it. Be the one who barters his life. Take your swords and trust Allah. With a compact force holding lances and spears we plunged into a sea of men.... and all were made to get their fill of evil. We are men who see no blame in him who kills."

Ishaq:414

"If you kill us, the true religion is ours. And to be killed for the truth is to find favor with Allah. If you think that we are fools, know that the opinion of those who oppose Islam is misleading. We are men of war who get the utmost from it. We inflict painful punishment on those who oppose us.... If you insult Allah's Apostle, Allah will slay you. You are a cursed, rude fellow! You utter filth, and then throw it at the clean-robed, godly, and faithful One."

Tabari VIII:153

"I ask the Merciful One for a pardon and for a sword blow that makes a wide wound that shoots out foaming blood. For a deadly thrust by a thirsty sword, and a lance that pierces right through the guts and liver. People shall say, when they pass my grave, 'Allah guided you the right way, O warrior.'"

Tabari VIII:141

"We gave them some time until their herds had come back from pasture. After they had milked their camels and set them out to rest, we launched our raid. We killed some of them, drove away their camels, and set out to return. Meanwhile, the people appealed for aid from the rest of their tribe. But we moved quickly. Reinforced, the villagers were too powerful for us. But Allah sent clouds from out of the blue, and there was a torrent that no one could cross so we eluded the tribesmen with what we had taken. The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: 'Kill! Kill! Kill!'"

Tabari VIII:117

"The next morning Allah opened the township of Sa'b bin Mu'adh for them to conquer. There was no stronghold in Khaybar more abounding in food. After the Prophet had defeated some of their settlements and taken their property, they reached the communities of Watib and Sulalim, which were the last of the Khaybar neighborhoods to be conquered. Muhammad besieged the inhabitants between thirteen and nineteen nights."

Tabari VIII:133

"A raiding party led by Bahir went to Yumn. The Muslims went out and captured camels and sheep. A slave belonging to Uyaynah met them, and they killed him."

Tabari VIII:149

"Abdallah married a woman but couldn't afford the nuptial gift. He came to the Prophet and asked for his assistance. He said, 'Go out and spy on the Jusham tribe.' He gave me an emaciated camel and a companion. We set out armed with arrows and swords. We approached the encampment and hid ourselves. I told my companion, 'If you hear me shout Allahu Akbar and see me attack, you should shout Allah is Greatest and join the fighting.'"

Tabari VIII:150

"When their leader, Rifa'ah, came within range, I shot an arrow into his heart. I leaped at him and cut off his head. Then I rushed toward the encampment and shouted, 'Allahu Akbar!' The families who were gathered there shouted, 'Save yourself.' They gathered what property they could, including their wives and children. We drove away a great herd of camels and many sheep and goats and brought them to the Messenger. I brought him Rifa'ash's head, which I carried with me. The Prophet gave me thirteen camels from that herd as booty, and I consummated my marriage."

Tabari VIII:151

"The Prophet sent Ibn Abi out with a party of sixteen men. They were away for fifteen nights. Their share of booty was twelve camels for each man, each camel was valued in the accounting as being worth ten sheep. When the people they raided fled in various directions, they took four women, including one young woman who was very beautiful. She fell to Abu Qatadah. The Prophet asked Qatadah about her. He said, 'She came from the spoils.' The Messenger said, 'Give her to me.' So he gave her to him."

Ishaq:538

"Allah bless the martyrs lying dead at Mu'ta. Refresh their bones for they fought for Allah's sake like good Muslims, stallions clad in mail. We are a people protected by Allah to whom he has revealed His Book, excelling in glory and honor. Our enlightened minds cover up the ignorance of others. They would not embark on such a vicious enterprise."

Tabari VII:19

"They plucked up courage and agreed to kill as many as they could and to seize what they had with them. Waqid shot an arrow at Amr and killed him. Then Abd Allah and his companions took the caravan and the captives back to Allah's Apostle in Medina. This was the first booty taken by the Companions of Muhammad."

Ishaq:289

"Our lances drank of Amr's blood and lit the flame of war."

Ishaq:288

"The Quraysh said, 'Muhammad and his Companions have violated the sacred month, shed blood, seized property, and taken men captive. Muhammad claims that he is following obedience to Allah, yet he is the first to violate the holy month and to kill.'"

Qur'an:9:23

"Believers, take not for friends your fathers and your brothers if they love disbelief above belief. If you do, you do wrong. Say: If your fathers, your sons, your families, your wives, relatives and property which you have acquired, and the slackness of trade which you fear and dwellings which you like, are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger and striving hard and fighting in His Cause, then wait till Allah brings about His torment."

Muslim:B19N4395

"I said: 'Should I tell you a Hadith from your Traditions?' He gave an account of the Conquest of Mecca, saying: 'Muhammad advanced until he reached Mecca. He assigned Zubayr to his right flank and Khalid to his left. Then he dispatched the force that had no armor. They advanced to the interior. The Prophet was in the midst of a large contingent of his fighters. Allah's Messenger said: 'You see the ruffians and the lowly followers of the Quraysh?' He indicated by striking one of his hands over the other that they should be killed. So we went off on his orders and if anyone wanted a person killed; he was slain. No one could offer any resistance. Then [the recently "converted"] Abu Sufyan said: Messenger, the blood of the Quraysh has become very cheap. The Prophet said: 'Kill all who stand in your way.'"

Tabari VIII:171

"Muhammad said, 'Woe to the Quraysh! If Allah's Apostle surprises them in their territory and enters Mecca by force, it means the destruction of the Quraysh.'"

Ishaq:570

"The Messenger turned to Abu Sufyan, who stood fast fighting that day. He had become an excellent Muslim after embracing Islam."

Ishaq:576

"Allah's Apostle said, 'If you get hold of Bijad, don't let him escape for he has done something evil.'"

Tabari IX:18

"While fighting the Banu Sa'd, Muslim horsemen seized Bijad. They herded his family around him like cattle, and they treated them roughly."

Ishaq:558

"Allah said, I have sent an army. Every day they curse, battle and lampoon."

Ishaq:560

"We expelled the people and smote them with our swords the day the good Prophet entered Mecca. We pierced their bodies with cuts and thrusts. And we shot them with our feathered shafts. Our ranks went in with lances leveled. We came to plunder as we said we would. We pledged our faith to the Apostle on this day of fear."

Ishaq:561

"The Apostle sent out troops to the territories surrounding Mecca inviting men to Allah. Among those he sent was Khalid. He was ordered to go as a missionary. Khalid subdued the Jadimah and killed some of them."

Tabari VIII:189

"Alas for you, Banu Jadimah! It is Khalid. By Allah, after you lay down your weapons, it will be nothing but leather manacles, and after the manacles nothing but the cutting off of heads.' After they had laid down their arms, Khalid ordered that their hands should be tied behind their backs. Then he put them to the sword, smiting their necks, killing them."

Ishaq:564

"One of the Banu Jadimah [who had been victimized by Khalid] said, 'God take reprisals on the Muslims for the evil they did to us. They stole our goods and divided them. Their spears came at us not once but twice. Their squadrons came upon us like a swarm of locusts. Were it not for the religion of Muhammad, their cavalry would never have attacked."

Ishaq:580

"Our strong warriors obey his orders to the letter. By us Allah's religion is undeniably strong. You would think when our horses gallop with bits in their mouths that the sounds of demons are among them."

Bukhari:V5B59N702

"I heard Kab bin Malik narrating the story of the Ghazwah of Tabuk in which he failed to take part. Kab said, 'I did not abandon Allah's Apostle in any Ghazwa he fought except the Tabuk raid. I failed to take part in the Ghazwa of Badr, but Allah did not admonish anyone who had not participated in it, for in fact, Allah's Apostle had only gone out in search of the Quraysh caravan. I witnessed the night of al-Aqaba with Allah's Apostle when we pledged [to war against all mankind] for Islam, and I would not exchange it for the Badr battle although Badr is more popular among Muslims than the pledge. As for my news in this battle of Tabuk, I had never been stronger or wealthier than I was when I was with the Prophet in Ghazwas.'"

Tabari IX:64

"Hatim said, 'Adi, whatever you were going to do before Muhammad's cavalry descended upon us, do it now, for I have seen the banners of his army.' When the Islamic cavalry left the settlement they took Hatim's daughter along with other captives. She was brought to the Messenger with slaves from Tayyi. He put her in an enclosure by the door of his mosque where the captives were detained."

Ishaq:601

"The best men launch spears as if they were swords. They peer forward unweariedly. They devote their lives to their Prophet. In hand-to-hand fighting and cavalry attacks they purify themselves with the blood of the infidels. They consider that an act of piety."

Tabari VIII:87

"The Companions of the Prophet had set out not doubting that they would conquer, because of a vision Muhammad had seen. Therefore, when they saw the negotiations for peace, the retreat, and the obligations the Messenger agreed to - the Muslims felt so grieved about it that they were close to despair. Some were depressed to the point of death."

Ishaq:131

"Hamzah came with his bow slung over his shoulder. He was a great hunter, the strongest man of the Quraysh. A woman rose up and said, 'If only you had seen what your nephew Muhammad had to endure just now before you came. Abu Jahl spoke to him offensively. Hamzah was carried away by a fury, as it was Allah's will to honor him this way. [In Islam, it is an honor to be furious.] He went off quickly, not stopping to speak to anyone. Instead of circumambulating the Ka'aba, he was ready to attack Abu Jahl when he saw him. When he entered the mosque, he saw him sitting among the people. Hamzah raised his bow and gave Abu Jahl a blow which split his head open in an ugly way. He said, 'Do you insult him when I am a member of his religion? Hit me back if you can.'"

Tabari VI:103

"Hamza's Islam was complete. He followed the Prophet's every command. The Quraysh recognized that by Hamzah's acceptance of Islam Muhammad had been made strong. Hamzah would protect him."

Tabari VI:103

"Umar bin al-Khattab [the Caliph who ruled during Islam's bloodiest conquests] was a staunch and mighty warrior. He accepted Islam, as had Hamzah before him. The Messenger's Companions began to feel stronger."

Ishaq:155

"Umar became a Muslim, he being a strong, stubborn man whose protégés none dare attack. The prophet's companions were so fortified by him and Hamza that they got the upper hand on the Quraysh. 'We could not pray at the Ka'aba until Umar became a Muslim, and then he fought the Quraysh until we could pray there.'"

Tabari VII:109
Ishaq:372

"The Messenger called for his coat of armor and put it on. When they saw this they repented, 'What an evil deed we have done. We have given him advice when inspiration comes to him!' Muhammad replied, 'It is not fitting for a prophet to put on his coat of mail and take it off before fighting.' So the Prophet went out to Uhud at the head of a thousand of his Companions, having promised them victory."

Ishaq:373

"The Apostle, wearing two coats of mail, drew up his troops for battle, about 700 men. There were 50 archers. Muhammad said, 'Keep their cavalry away with your arrows.' Then he asked, 'Who will take my sword with its right and use it as it deserves to be used?' Abu Dujana asked, 'What is its right, Apostle?' 'That you should smite the enemy with it until it bends.' When Dujana took the sword from the Apostle's hand he walked toward the fight reciting: 'I'm the man who took the sword when "Use it right" was the Prophet's word for the sake of Allah.' When Muhammad saw Dujana strutting, he said, 'This is a gait which Allah hates except on an occasion like this.'"

Muslim:B20N4678

"Before the battle of Uhud a Muslim asked, 'Messenger, where shall I be if I am killed?' He replied: 'In Paradise.' The man fought until he was killed."

Ishaq:375

"Abu Dujana said, 'I saw a person inciting the enemy, shouting violently. When I made for him, I lifted my sword and he shrieked, and lo, it was a woman. I respected the Prophet's sword too much to use it on a girl.'" Ishaq:380 "We attacked them thrusting, slaying, chastising, and driving them before us with blows on every side. Had not women seized their war banner they would have been sold in the markets like chattel."

Ishaq:379

"Then Allah sent down His help to the Muslims and fulfilled His promise. They slew the enemy with the sword until they cut them off from their camp and there was a rout."

Ishaq:380

"The Muslims were put to the fight and the Meccans slew many of them. It was a day of trial and testing in which Allah honored several with martyrdom."

Ishaq:375

"'Come here you son of a female circumciser.' His mother was Umm Anmar, a female circumciser in Mecca. Hamza smote and killed him."

Bukhari:V4B52N276

"By Allah, we saw the Meccan women running, revealing their leg-bangles. So, we cried out, 'The booty! O Muslims, the booty! Our Companions have become victorious. What are we waiting for? By Allah! We will go to the pagans and collect our share of the war booty.'"

Tabari VII:121

"I saw Hamzah cutting down men with his sword, sparing no one. He yelled out to us, 'Come here, you son of a cutter-off of clitorises.' He hit Siba so swiftly, his sword could not be seen striking his head. So I balanced my javelin until I was satisfied. Then I hurled it at Hamzah. It struck him in the lower part of the belly with such force it came out between his legs. He came toward me, but was overcome and fell. I waited until he was dead and recovered my javelin. I returned to the camp since there was nothing else I wanted."

Muslim:B19N4413

"When the enemy got the upper hand at Uhud, the Messenger was left with only seven Ansar and two Emigrants. When the enemy overwhelmed him, he said: 'Whoso turns them away will be my companion in Paradise.' An Ansar man fought until he was killed. The enemy advanced and overwhelmed them again so Muhammad repeated: 'Whoever turns them away will attain Paradise.' Another Ansar fought until he was slain. This state continued until all seven Ansari were killed, one after the other. The Prophet said to the Muslims: 'We have not done justice to them.'"

Tabari VII:120

"When the enemy overwhelmed the Holy Prophet he said, 'Who will sell his life for me?'"

Muslim:B19N4420

"The Prophet said: 'Great is the wrath of Allah upon a people who have done this to the Messenger.' At that time he was pointing to his front teeth. The Apostle said: 'Great is the wrath of Allah upon a person who has been killed by me in Allah's Cause.'"

Bukhari:V4B52N70

"Some people drank alcohol in the morning of the day of the battle of Uhud and were martyred on the same day."

Bukhari:V4B52N147

"Allah's Apostle and the pagans faced each other and started fighting. When the Apostle returned to his camp somebody talked about Quzman, a Muslim who had killed many pagans. The Apostle said of him, 'Nobody did his job of fighting as well as that man. Indeed, he is amongst the people of the Hell Fire."

Tabari VII:136
Ishaq:383

"During Uhud, Quzman fought hard and killed seven to nine polytheists with his own hands, being brave, bold, and strong. But he got wounded so seriously, he had to be carried off by his comrades. They said, 'Rejoice, you fought valiantly.' He replied, 'For what have I fought?'"

Ishaq:383

"Perhaps Allah will grant us martyrdom.' So they took their swords and sallied out until they mingled with the [retreating] army. One was killed by the Meccans, the other by his fellow Muslims who failed to recognize him. One of the young men's fathers confronted Muhammad and said, 'You have robbed my son of his life by your deception and brought great sorrow to me.'"

Bukhari:V4B52N69

"For thirty days Allah's Apostle invoked Allah to curse those who had killed his companions. He invoked evil upon the tribes who disobeyed Allah and His Apostle. There was revealed about those who were killed a Qur'anic Verse we used to recite, but it was cancelled later on. The Verse was: 'Inform our people that we have met our Lord. He is pleased with us and He has made us pleased.'"

Tabari VII:120

"May Allah's anger be intense against those who have bloodied the face of His Prophet." "By Allah, I never thirsted to kill anyone as I thirst to kill a Meccan."

Tabari VII:127

"The Messenger said, 'Hamzah is being cleansed by the angels. He went into battle in a state of ritual impurity when he heard the call to arms. That is why the angels are cleansing him.'"

Ishaq:386

"Our dead are in Paradise; your dead are in Hell."

Tabari VII:129

"If you had seen what Muhammad did at the pit of Badr you would have been terror struck for as long as you lived. I requited Badr with its like."

Ishaq:385

"Hind [a Meccan woman who had lost her father, husband, son, and brother to Muhammad's raiders at Badr] stopped to mutilate the Muslim dead, cutting off their ears and noses until she was able to make anklets and necklaces of them. Then she ripped open Hamzah's body for his liver and chewed it. Then she climbed a high rock and screamed rajaz poetry at the top of her voice, taunting us. 'We have paid you back for Badr. A war that follows a war is always violent. I could not bear the loss of Utba nor my brother, his uncle, or my first-born son. I have slaked my vengeance and fulfilled my vow.' Umar [the future leader of the Islamic world] recited these verses back to her: 'The vile woman was insolent, and she was habitually base with disbelief. May Allah curse Hind, she with the large clitoris. ...Her backside and her genitals are covered with ulcers as a result of spending too much time in the saddle. Did you set out seeking to avenge our killing of your father and your son at Badr? And for your husband, who was wounded in the backside, lying in his blood, and your brother, all of them coated in the grime of the pit. What a foul deed you committed. Woe to you Hind, the shame of the age.'"

Tabari VII:133

"When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, 'If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!' When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, 'By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody."

Ishaq:389

"When the Apostle came home he handed his sword to his daughter Fatima, saying, 'Wash the blood from this, daughter, for by Allah it has served me well today.'"

Tabari VII:139
Ishaq:389

"The battle was fought on the Sabbath. On the following day, Sunday, 16 Shawwal (March 24, 625) the Messenger of Allah's crier called out to the people to go in pursuit of the enemy. His only purpose was to lower the morale of the Quraysh; by going in pursuit of them, he wanted to give the impression that his strength [not his god's or his faith's] was unimpaired, and that the Muslim casualties had not weakened their ability [...to be religious? ...to be faithful to their god? Alas, no...] to engage in fighting."

Ishaq:391

"The day of Uhud was a day of trial, calamity, and heart-searching on which Allah tested the believers. He put the hypocrites [peaceful Muslims] on trial, those who professed faith with their tongue and hid unbelief in their hearts. And it was a day in which Allah honored with martyrdom those whom He willed."

Qur'an:3:121

"Remember that morning [of Uhud]? You left your home to post the faithful at their stations for battle at the encampments for war. Remember two of your parties were determined to show cowardice and fell away. Allah had helped you at Badr, when you were a contemptible little force."

Qur'an:3:124

"Remember you (Muhammad) said to the faithful: 'Is it not enough for you that Allah should help you with three thousand angels (specially) sent down? Yea, if you remain firm, and act aright, even if the enemy should rush here on you in hot haste, your Lord would help you with five thousand havoc-making angels for a terrific onslaught."

Qur'an:3:126

"Allah made it but a message of hope, and an assurance to you, a message of good cheer, that your hearts might be at rest. Victory comes only from Allah that He might cut off a fringe of the unbelievers, exposing them to infamy. They should then be turned back overwhelmed so that they retire frustrated."

Qur'an:3:140

If you have received a blow (at Uhud) and have been wounded, be sure a similar wound has hurt others. Such days We give to men and men by turns: that Allah may know those who believe, and that He may take to Himself from your ranks Martyrs."

Ishaq:392

"Allah helped you at Badr when you were contemptible, so fear Allah. Fear Me, for that is gratitude for My kindness. Is it not enough that your Lord reinforced you with three thousand angels? Nay, if you are steadfast against My enemies, and obey My commands, fearing Me, I will send five thousand angels clearly marked. Allah did this as good news for you that your hearts might be at rest. The armies of My angels are good for you because I know your weakness. Victory comes only from Me."

Ishaq:394

"Allah said, 'I let them get the better of you to test you. So fear Me and obey Me. If you had believed in what My Prophet brought from Me you would not have received a shock from the Meccan army. But We cause days like this so that Allah may know those who believe and may choose martyrs from among you. Allah must distinguish between believers and hypocrites so that He can honor the faithful with martyrdom."

Ishaq:394

"Did you think that you would enter Paradise and receive My reward before I tested you so that I might know who is loyal? You used to wish for martyrdom before you met the enemy. You wished for death before you met it. Now that you have seen with your own eyes the death of swords...will you go back on your religion, Allah's Book, and His Prophet as disbelievers, abandoning the fight with your enemy? He who turns back [from fighting] in his religion will not harm Allah.'"

Qur'an:3:141

"This is so that Allah may test the faithful and destroy the unbelieving infidels." [Another translation proclaims:] "Allah's object is to purge those that are true in Faith and blight the disbelievers. Did you think that you would enter Paradise while Allah does not know those of you who really fights hard (in His Cause) and remains steadfast? You wished for death before you met it (in the field of battle). Now [that] you have seen it with your own eyes, (you flinch!)"

Qur'an:3:152

"Allah did indeed fulfill His promise to you when you; with His permission were about to annihilate your enemy, until you flinched and fell to disputing about the order, and disobeyed it after He brought you in sight (of the booty) which you covet. Among you are some that hanker after this world and some that desire the Hereafter."

Ishaq:396

"I promise to give you victory over your enemy. You routed them with the sword, killing them by My permission. Then you deserted Me and disobeyed My order and disputed about the order of My Prophet. He told the archers to stay put. But after I showed you what you were desiring, the Meccan wives and property, you desired the spoil and abandoned the order to fight. Only those who fought for religion did not transgress in going after the booty. Allah reproached the hypocrites for running away from their Prophet and paying no heed when he called to them."

Tabari VIII:116

"After his return from Hudaybiyah, Allah's Messenger marched against Khaybar. He halted with his army in a valley between the people of Khaybar and the Ghatafan tribe to prevent the latter from assisting the Jews."

Ishaq:515

"Allah's Apostle besieged the final [Jewish] community of Khaybar until they could hold out no longer. Finally, when they were certain that they would perish, they asked Muhammad to banish them and spare their lives, which he did. The Prophet took possession of all their property."

Ishaq:500

"The Messenger said, 'Woe to the Quraysh! War has devoured them! What harm would they suffer if they left me to deal with the rest of the Arabs? [Besides having their property seized and their people terrorized and killed?] If the Arabs defeat me, that will be what they want. If Allah makes me prevail over the Arabs [not save them], the Quraysh can enter Islam [surrender] en masse. Or they can fight. I shall not cease to fight against them for the mission which Allah has entrusted me until Allah makes me victorious or I perish."

Tabari VIII:76

"Urwah went to the Prophet. 'Muhammad, tell me, if you exterminate your tribesmen - have you ever heard of any of the Arabs who has destroyed his own race before you?'"

Ishaq:502

"Muhammad, you have collected a mixed group of people and brought them to your kin to destroy them. By Allah, I see both prominent people and rabble who are likely to flee, deserting you tomorrow.' Now Abu Bakr who was standing behind the Apostle, said, 'Go suck the clitoris of Al-Lat!'"

Tabari VIII:76
Ishaq:502

"He began speaking to the Prophet again, stroking his beard. Mughira, clad in mail, was standing next to him with his sword. Whenever Urwah extended his hand toward the Prophet's beard, Mughira struck his hand with the lower end of the scabbard and said, 'Take your hand away from his beard before you lose it!' Urwah raised his head and asked, 'Who is this?' They said, 'Mughira.' Urwah said, 'Rude man, I am trying to rectify your act of treachery.' During the Time of Ignorance [pre-Islam] Mughira had accompanied some men and killed them, taking their money. The Apostle just smiled."

Ishaq:503
Tabari VIII:82

"When Muhammad received a report that Uthman had been killed, he said, 'We will not leave until we fight it out with the enemy.' He summoned the people to swear allegiance. The Prophet's crier announced: People, an oath of allegiance! The Holy Spirit has descended!'"

Ishaq:503
Tabari VIII:83

"On the day of Hudaybiyah we swore allegiance to the Messenger while Umar was holding his hand under the acacia tree. It was a pledge unto death."

Ishaq:503

"Allah saw what was in their hearts so he rewarded them with victory and with as much spoil as they could take. Allah promised that they would soon capture a great deal of booty."

Ishaq:505

"Umar jumped up, walking beside Jandal, saying, 'Be patient. They are only pagans, and the blood of any of them is no more than the blood of a dog!' Umar held the hilt of his sword close to him. He said, 'I hoped he would take the sword and kill his father with it.' But Jandal was too attached to his father to kill him."

Ishaq:508
Tabari VIII:91

"Abu Jandal, Suhayl's son, escaped and joined Abu Basir. Nearly seventy Muslim men gathered around them and they harassed the Quraysh. Whenever they heard of a Meccan caravan setting out for Syria, they intercepted it, and killed everyone they could get a hold of. They tore every caravan to pieces and took the goods. The Quraysh, therefore, sent to the Prophet, imploring him for the sake of Allah and the bond of kinship to send word to them."

Tabari VIII:93

"In this year, according to Waqidi, the Messenger dispatched the raiding party of Abu Ubaydah with forty men. They traveled through the night on foot and reached Qassah just before dawn. They raided the inhabitants, who escaped them by fleeing to the mountains. They took cattle, old clothes, and a man."

Tabari VIII:93

"In this year a raiding party led by Zayd went to Jamum. He captured a Muzaynah woman named Halimah. She guided them to an encampment of the Banu Sulaym where they captured cattle, sheep, and prisoners."

Tabari VIII:94

"In this year a raiding party led by Zayd went to al-Is. During it, Abu As'b's property was taken."

Tabari VIII:94

"A fifteen-man raiding party led by Zayd went to Taraf against the Banu Thalabah. The Bedouins fled, fearing that Allah's Messenger had set out against them. Zayd took twenty camels from their herds. He was away four nights."

Tabari VIII:96

"Muhammad sent him with an army against the Fazarah settlement. He met them in Qura and inflicted casualties on them and took Umm Qirfah prisoner. He also took one of Umm's daughters and Abdallah bin Mas'adah prisoner."

Tabari VIII:97

"The Messenger appointed Abu Bakr as our commander, and we raided some of the Banu Fazarah. When we came near the watering place, Bakr ordered us to rest. After we prayed the dawn prayer, Abu ordered us to launch the raid against them. We went down to the watering hole and there we killed some people. I saw women and children among them, who had almost outstripped us; so I sent an arrow between them and the mountain. When they saw the arrow they stopped, and I led them back to Abu Bakr. Among them was a woman of the Banu Fazarah. She was wearing a worn-out piece of leather. With her was her daughter, among the fairest of the Arabs. Abu Bakr gave me her daughter as booty."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



 


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GET YOUR ‘MUSLIM IN A MINUTE’ TSA DISGUISE HERE!

posted by AWD 9:56 PM
Thursday, July 14, 2011

AWD is heading to the Big Apple tomorrow for a little bidness and a lot of fun! So tonight I’m putting away my nose-hair clippers so I can get on the flight with minimal TSA feeling up. Oh, and of course, AWD will be packing his “Muslim In A Minute” TSA Disguise to speed through my time in the TSA line! Since I’m packing tonight and too lazy to think, I thought we’d repost this favorite! Well, a favorite of mine, anyway! You bastids!

"MUSLIM IN A MINUTE" TSA DISGUISE! ONLY $19.99!

"MUSLIM IN A MINUTE" TSA DISGUISE! ONLY $19.99!

Hi folks, this is Billy Mays. Well, the ghost of Billy Mays now communing with my 72 virgins in the great OxyClean in the sky!
You know how humiliating it is passing through TSA these days! You’re tired of having your tingly parts felt up by $7 an hour perverts and waiting in long, hot lines full of fellow American would-be terrorists! Now AngryWhiteImam Products, Inc. has the answer!
It’s the “Muslim For A Minute” TSA Disguise! Now you can easily bypass the long, insulting lines waiting to be groped with your very own Muslim For A Minute costume! The Muslim For A Minute TSA disguise comes with:

- One disposable burqa
- One Hijab head covering
- One authentic looking Koran cover to put over your latest Tom Clancy novel
- One pair of sandals with patented “Dust of Mecca” coating
- Four pounds of authentic looking temporary body hair
- One CAIR membership card

With your Muslim For A Minute disguise, you’ll be easily able to pass by TSA without a care! If an agent mistakenly pulls you aside for inspection, you can flash your CAIR card, shout “Islamaphobia” and go on your way! The only thing the TSA hates more than bombs on jets is being called racists by Muslims dedicated to killing Americans by putting bombs on jets!

Why go through long lines and pat downs with all those ordinary Jews and Christians? With your Muslim For A Minute costume, you’ll declare a politically correct jihad on time-wasting pat downs by unemployable TSA goons! Once through TSA checkpoint, you can easily dispose of your Muslim For A Minute disguise and return to being a regular Satanic infidel!

But wait!!! If you order now, we’ll through in your very own bomb vest crafted by hand in Lebanon by Hezbollah Imams! Only you will know you’re wearing it as you will be safely ushered through the long lines of fellow travelers waiting to receive their full-body inspections!
But wait!!! There’s more!! Act now and you’ll receive not one…but two beheading knives! They slice, they dice, they circumcise! (females only, please!)

Don’t waste your valuable travel time being stripped searched or having your naked body scans placed on the internet! You’ll be praising Allah and shouting Shama Lama Ding Dong in the airport with your Muslim For A Minute TSA disguise! Call now and get your Muslim For A Minute TSA disguise for only $19.99!!** Our operators are standing….bye!

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COMES WITH 72-ALMOST VIRGINS AND FBI SURVEILLANCE!

COMES WITH 72-ALMOST VIRGINS AND FBI SURVEILLANCE!

The Big Sexy has worked out a deal with the Angry White Imam (may tons of bacon bits be upon him) to be able to pass a little extra value on to dudes who purchase the under-priced, over-cool, and super-sexy Angry White Dude t shirts. For a limited time, AWD is pleased to announce any dudes who buy a t shirt will enjoy the services of 72 almost-virgins waiting for you in paradise when you bite the big one. And the Big Sexy has arranged for these almost-virgins to be a little on the trashy side…just like I like ‘em my big sexy self! Too much makeup, too much rouge, gets me excited and gets me feeling confused! Just think about it! 72 almost-virgins…that means they’ve seen some playing time (if you know what I mean)…and will be game ready when Allah calls you home to the big tent party! Let’s face it, virgins are way over-rated. But you’ll be the King of the tent when you come riding in on your camel wearing your AWD t shirt ready to do battle with your slightly slutty almost-virgins!

AWD announced on the Big Sexy Radio Show last week (you can find the link to listen on the left side of the AWD page) that I have entered into a super complex legal agreement with a company that is going to provide mucho Angry White Dude merchandiso. Coffee mugs, mouse pads, AWD t shirts in different colors and designs, AWD toilet brushes, everything you will need to get you through your angry white day! I can’t say the size of the deal but let’s just say that large sums of money were thrown my way. For help with your goat roper wear wardrobe, AWD is also going to put up some of my all-time favorite super cool t shirts from my personal collection. I’m talking some of my personal favorites like “Nobody Knows I’m A Lesbian” to “Betty Ford Clinic” to “Hey, You’re Not A Ninja, You’re Just A Guy In A Ninja Suit!” Look for AWD-bay to be updated into a store format in the next few weeks with those personal, all-time favorites. Perfect for work!

So AWD needs to clear out my current supply of AWD t shirts. So buy something you cheap bastid! Hell, I got you some trashy almost-virgins to sweeten the deal! What more do you want? I do and I do and I do for you and this is the thanks I get? How’s that supposed to make me feel?

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OSAMA BIN LADEN LIVES IN THE SOULS OF ISLAM..AND THE POOP OF FISH!

posted by AWD 4:47 PM
Sunday, May 29, 2011
FISH FOOD!

FISH FOOD!

The followers of the Religion of Murder™ in Gaza are still celebrating/whining the death of Osama bin Laden. Brother Osama died of a .40 caliber headache courtesy of the US Navy Seals. Yet to show the Palestinians are all about peace and Hussein Hopenchange’s calls for Israel to give up half their country, Hamas held a parade to honor the good Osama bin Laden did for humanity during his short time on Allah’s green Earth. Muslims do believe in Earth, don’t they?

Muslims excel in a few things. Protest marches…they are pretty much top drawer. Decapitations, stonings, hangings, beheadings, blowing up everything in sight, nobody comes closer. AWD can only guess there’s big money in these activities because it’s all those camel humpers seem to do over there. Here is a video of one of the countless bin Laden marches:

Here are the mindless chants from the mindless crowd led by mindless murderers in mindless Hamas (h/t to Memri and Gateway Pundit):

Crowds: There is no god but Allah.
America is the enemy of Allah.
[…]
At Rafah rally:
Crowds: Our souls and our blood we will give for you, oh Osama.
Our souls and our blood we will give for you, oh Osama. (sounds good to me!)
Our souls and our blood we will give for you, oh Osama.
Demonstrator: There is no god but Allah.
Crowds: There is no god but Allah.
Demonstrator: Sheik Osama is loved by Allah. (Actually, Allah only tolerated bin Laden. I think OBL owed Allah money)
Crowds: Sheik Osama is loved by Allah.
Demonstrator: There is no god but Allah.
Crowds: There is no god but Allah.
Demonstrator: Sheik Osama is loved by Allah.
Crowds: Sheik Osama is loved by Allah.
Demonstrator: Osama destroyed America… (Obama destroyed some buildings, then got his eye blasted out! Hoo-ah!)
Crowds: Osama destroyed America…
Demonstrator: …using a civilian plane.
Crowds: …using a civilian plane.
Demonstrator: Say: “Allah Akbar.”
Crowds: Allah Akbar!
Demonstrator: Beware, oh Pakistan…
Crowds: Beware, oh Pakistan…
Demonstrator: …of the soldiers of Taliban.
Crowds: …of the soldiers of Taliban.
Demonstrator: Khaybar, Khaybar, oh Jews…
Crowds: Khaybar, Khaybar, oh Jews…
Sheik Munir Al-’Aydi: You are not dead, oh Osama. You live on in the hearts of us all. Osama lives on in the heart of every man. All our sons are Osama. Our entire nation is Osama.

Yes, the peace partners of Hussein Hopenchange honor the man responsible for thousands of deaths of innocents worldwide! And Hamas proudly proclaims he is their nation! I have to laugh! They admit their nation is a pitiful, dirty porn freak living in a disgustingly filthy hovel in Pakistan with teenage wives! Yep! That’s pretty much how I’d sum up Islam too!

Only the politically correct US politicians and the mouth breathing European self-haters still have the audacity to pretend Islam is anything more than a cult of murder and destruction. Most Americans long ago abandoned any dream of Islam living in peace with the West. Hell, Islam is incapable of even living with itself as seen by the numerous killings by the various Muslim sects each week.

Osama lives in the hearts of all savage Muslim terrorist bastids…and now the poop of fish in the sea! Courtesy of Uncle Sam and some motivated Navy Seals!

Here’s the link to the actual moron protest in Gaza from Memri.

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ANGRY WHITE IMAM: WOMEN THAT DRIVE SHOULD BE BEATEN LIKE A WOMAN!

posted by AWD 5:22 PM
Wednesday, May 25, 2011
SOMEBODY'S GONNA GET A BEAT DOWN!

SOMEBODY'S GONNA GET A BEAT DOWN!

Oh shama lama ding dong and a Muhammad Ali to you infidel dogs! It is no secret that Muslims gave the automobile to the world because of our superior Islamic intelligence. Most of the great race drivers have been Muslim jihad drivers. The great Bobby Allahson, Buddy Burqa helped establish the infidel redneck sport of NASCAR to further Allah’s will!

But today, the Imam is going to preach some ol’ time Islamic beat down religion to all the dogs who call themselves women that think Allah ever intended them to drive a vehicle! Women were never intended to drive cars. Or camels. It is forbidden. That is why Allah, through his prophet Mr. Goodwrench Muhammad (may a new set of Craftsman tools be upon him), invented the stick shift! The stick shift was too complex for the feeble mind of women to grasp! Evil western infidels invented the automatic transmission with Satan’s help and it has all been downhill since!

Haven’t Muslims worldwide witnessed the horrors brought to mankind by western women at the wheel? First, women begin to believe they should be equal (as if!) and allowed to drive. Bwahahaha! Then they start to listen to Satanic western music blaring in the vehicle loud enough to wake the beheaded. Next, women will begin to endlessly talk on cell phones with their friends while driving. Oh, my infidel friends, how women drivers will gab about wanting to buy the latest burqa from the Giorgio ArBombi collection and other vain and evil topics while at the wheel. Before long, they will be putting on infidel face paint while doing all of the above at the same time! It’s enough to make Allah cuss!

This is what we know from the prophet Muhammed. Allah created man and woman. He made man superior to women. Allah made women inferior so they could not drive vehicles. Or camels. As we have seen in the Big Satan, infidel women dog drivers are not able of driving automobiles because they are incapable of driving in one lane and arriving to their destination without a trail of death and destruction. Western infidel women drivers leave behind so much death and destruction, they should be Muslims! By the way, Angry White Imam will behead anyone who swerves in my lane!

The infidel woman might ask the husband why Allah does not allow women to drive? The answer is simple. “Because Allah knows best!” Smack! It is correct to educate your woman.

Then, you may tell her that it says in the blessed Koran in the book of Maserati:

Oh, it is the foolish infidel who will allow a woman to command a camel,
especially if the camel has an automatic transmission and a stereo.
It is an unwise fool and infidel who permits his woman to crash his camel into a wall
because the vain woman is incapable of shutting the hell up on her cell phone for even a minute to drive the camel.

The Koran states the only purpose that allows women to drive automobiles is for them to be used as martyrs in suicide mini-vans. Allah figures he might as well take out a few infidels because women drivers are going to crash anyway! And Chinese women drivers can be used as weapons of mass destruction! Chinese women drivers may be too brutal for even us brutal Muslims to use against infidels! Only Allah has the power to destroy equally as a Chinese woman driver.

So the Imam’s message for all Muslim men (and even you weak infidel male dogs) is to teach your woman the true meaning of the religion of peace. In other words, beat her like a Jew if she even thinks of heading off in your pick-up or camel! If she persists, tell her you are about to do some yard work and dig a hole out back and are having some rocks delivered. That should deliver the loving message from her husband that she will never drive a vehicle! And Allah will bless you!

The Angry White Imam has created an infidel Face Book page for all wise men to join to pledge to beat the bejeezes out of their women if she asks to drive. It is reported here on the infidel Jew Andrew Breitbart page.

So the Imam will leave you evil, infidel swine to go carry out the trash and do your ‘honey-do’ lists in an attempt to keep the peace in your abode as slaves of your western women. There is one song, and one song only, that they Imam listens to in his ride and that is the “Dance of the 1000 Imams!” But you infidels probably could have guessed that! Shama Lama!

ANGRY WHITE IMAM: AHMADINEJAD WILL PUT WHAMMY ON YOUR MAMMY!

posted by AWD 9:33 PM
Friday, May 6, 2011
I HATE ME SOME INFIDELS!

I HATE ME SOME INFIDELS!

Shama lama rama lama ding dong, o evil infidels! The Imam greets you with the love and peace of Islam and encourages you to accept the warm embrace of Allah…if you know what’s good for you. If not, the Imam will be forced to chop your head off. That simple! Or, better yet, I will call in my good friend President Ahmadinejad of Iran to put a spell on you! He was recently falsely accused of using spirits against Supreme Leader Khameini! No, President Ahamdinejad will not turn you into a newt, from which you can get better. No, no, my disgusting and hated infidel friends, Ahmadinejad will turn you into Jew swine that will live for an eternity plus two days!

The Imam knows you infidels probably believe the vicious Jew rumors that President Ahmadinejad is being forced to resign for using spirits and fairies against Supreme Leader Khameini. Nothing could be further from the truth!! Only the Imam knows the truth. Technically, there were spirits and fairies involved but they were not used against the Supreme Leader. They were literal spirits and fairies! What happened is President Ahmadinejad got sideways with a bottle of infidel tequila and started listening to his favorite George Michael and Wham CD and ended up in one of those bars that will get one hanged in Iran, if you know what I mean. You know, a bar where some are hung but will all be hanged! Say no more! Shama lama! Well, President Ahmadinejad went tearing into the parking lot of the “sensitive jihadist” bar and this photo fell out of his car!

President Ahmadinejad was half fubarbed and was screaming “George Michael, I want your sex! I want your sex, George Michael!” and word got back to the big guy Khameini. Not very pretty. However, the Imam is happy to report, the two worked things out with President Ahmadinejad giving the Supreme Leader a CD of Elton John from The Lion King and some Nivea facial moisturizing cream with the balmy breeze scent. Supreme Leader Khameini makes it a priority to moisturize! The Jooooo press picked up the story and told vicious Joooo lies about the President stepping down. This will not happen in the lives of a thousand camels!

So tremble in fear, you weak infidels! Yes, President Ahmadinejad may have a weakness for George Michael and Wham (and maybe a man thing every now and then) but he still possesses supernatural strengths…plus a nuclear bomb or two! If he so desires, he can put a special Iranian whammy on your mammy that she will never forget! And he will turn you into something much worse than a newt…like a pile of infidel ashes! Imam Ahmadinejad ain’t going nowhere, infidels!

Instead of closing the Angry White Imam post with the Dance of the 1000 Imams, the Imam wants to dedicate this song to my good friend President Ahmadinejad! Keep him away from the tequila and he’s OK! If not, no telling what kind of western decadence he’ll get himself into! Shama lama and hopefully Ahmadinejad will keep away from the ding dong!

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ANGRY WHITE IMAM – INFIDELS MUST FOLLOW THE HOLY TOMATO OF ALLAH

posted by AWD 9:40 PM
Sunday, January 23, 2011
READ IT AND WEEP, INFIDELS!

READ IT AND WEEP, INFIDELS!

Shama lama, rama dama, and a big ding dong to you, worthless infidel dogs! Pull your evil heads away from the infidel NFL game…ohhhh, one well-placed IED could put those pitiful Jets out of their misery! The Angry White Imam brings tidings of great joy! Allah is the one and only God. He is often imitated but never duplicated! Allah would put that fat Buddha in an unsanctioned pile-driver if Buddha would quit ducking Allah! You hear me, Buddha?? To be the man, you have to beat the man! And Allah is the man! Yes, Allah is the only God that counts! He is so big, so incredibly huge, gosh we are all impressed down here I can tell you!

Allah has recently revealed his greatness. It was revealed to a Muslim brother named Salman Gul, in England. Salman is in England preparing for the ultimate takeover of Islam in that putrid country that has nothing but infidels with bad food and bad teeth.

Salman was taking the subway to attend the daily stoning (he was lucky, it was a widowed grandmother that day!) when he heard a voice call to him from the subway floor. He looked down to his sandals and saw only a piece of a dirty tomato. Salman thought, “I must be plumb loco” when the voice returned and said, “Salman, may fresh fruit (tomatoes are fruits, infidels) and peace be upon you, pick me up.” Salman said, “Allah is that you? What are you doing on the floor of the subway in a piece of a tomato?” Allah then said, “pick me up and brush off the dirt of infidels and I’ll tell you.”

Salman picked up the piece of the dirty tomato from the floor of the subway, brushed off the dirt and…here’s the good part, infidels…written in the veins of the tomato was the following message in Arabic: “Shama Lama Ding Dong!”…no, just joking with you pigs there. The tomatos veins spelled out “Muhammad is Allah’s Messenger.”

Now I know what you infidels are thinking! You’re thinking, “how could I have denied for so long that Islam is the true religion of Allah?” Well now you have your proof, you doubting sons and daughters of swine.

Oh, I’m sure some of you, especially that Angry White Infidel, will still not believe this miracle to be true. But it has been verified! Salman took the tomato to a local Subway where the Muslim brothers working there verified the writing as Arabic and the message to be true! So there again!

Finally, Salman took the tomato to his Imam who said he had never seen such messages from Allah in common garden tomatoes before but confirmed that since Salman is the fruit of Islam (tomatos are FRUITS, you ignorant infidel dogs!), Allah had indeed spoken to him.

Salman has done some research on the value of this sacred tomato. He has found that infidels sell toast that looks like the Virgin Mary on InfidelBay for big shekels! But his local Imam has offered to trade Salman a few new burqas for Salman’s wives, a Yugoslavian made SKS rifle with 500 round of steel-core ammo with berdan primers, and a pair of his and her suicide bombing martyr vests. Angry White Imam is advising Salman to go with his local Imam’s offer!

Once again, Allah has tried to beat it into your pointy little infidel heads that Islam is the true religion! And a true religion of fruits. Only last week, the Imam himself could have sworn he received a personal message from Osama bin Laden in a roll of toilet paper. Minister bin Laden said to me, get this, “I will poop on infidels.” Again, another miracle! How much proof do you need?

So, there you go. The Imam calls on you to immediately abandon your gutter religions and convert to the one true religion of peace…if you know what’s good for you!

So Shama lama to you. See you at the Ground Zero IED Safe House…err..Mosque. Be sure to stop by Muhammad’s Fruit Stand and pick up a few tomatoes!

You want more proof? Here’s the article from England. That proves it once and for all!

I leave you with the holiest, most sacred hymn in all of Islam…the Dance of the 1000 Imams. Sing along, you know the words!

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ENOUGH OF ISLAM ALREADY!

posted by AWD 11:10 PM
Monday, August 30, 2010

Is it just me but is there just too much Islam going on these days? Only a decade or two ago, we had hardly heard of Islam other than those whacked out Iranian miscreants who kidnapped our people from the embassy. But they were over there in the middle east where they couldn’t really hurt anyone. All I really knew about Muslims growing up was they pumped oil and charged too much for it.

All that has changed. It’s impossible to read the news today without every other story being about Islam. Honor killings, mosques at Ground Zero, terrorists from Detroit on arrested on a plane from Chicago, Muslim groups whining about Islamaphobia, ACLU suing US government for trying to kill Muslim terrorists, tool politicians like Orrin Hatch defending the NYC mosque, etc. It goes on and on. Ramadan dinners….who cares? I am sick to death of Islam!

I liked America when Americans lived here. And when immigrants who came here wanted to become Americans. Now we’re inundated with weird people wearing weird clothing forcing their ways on us and crying racism when we don’t readily accept their weirdness! They know American customs would never be accepted or tolerated in their bassackward countries. Hell, you can’t even legally own a Bible in Saudi Arabia! But they push their way over here taking advantage of laws that were written for Americans….and people who wanted to become Americans.

I have seen enough of Islam over the past decade to last several lifetimes. I find it all disgusting. Not so much the religious part (weird but lots of religions are weird)…but the cultural part…or lack thereof. It is a brutal ideology that glorifies in violence, forces the total dehumanization of women and children, spreads ignorance by force, and brings death and destruction everywhere its followers go. I don’t believe freedom of religion was meant to force us to embrace a religion that planned to kill us. If you can call Islam a religion.

Islam’s useful idiots in America…liberals…are also a strange lot. Perhaps that is why they support the rampant spread of Islam in America. Like Muslims, liberals hate America. Americans, by liberal standards, must welcome Islam openly without concern, even though we have every right to be skeptical. However, liberals never ask why Muslims won’t accept a Jew’s right to live. Liberal womens groups sit with their gaping pie-holes tightly shut as women are stoned and beaten for not wearing a head-to-toe black tent or for going out of the house without 3 generations of male family members. Yet, these hags will criticize and condemn anyone who believes a full term baby should not have it’s brains sucked out in partial birth abortions. See the hypocrisy of the left? It permeates every worthless cell in their worthless beings.

I advocate a total block on any immigration from Muslim countries. Mosques springing up all throughout America will not lead to good things. As we saw in Arkansas where the black ex-con shot two soldiers, Muslims will start recruiting anti-American black thugs. Most blacks loathe white people and Islam will add to that fire. We will see more and more attacks on our soil by these black thugs in the name of Allah. Prison is already a fertile recruiting ground for Islam. It simply cannot be trusted and allowed to strengthen on our soil.

Islam is different from other religions. A mosque going up in your town is different from a Protestant chapel or synagogue. A weekly look at The Religion of Peace website will tell you why.

I’m sure liberals and Muslims will call me Islamophobic. Just like I’m called racist for telling the truth about American blacks. You can imagine how much that will bother me. A phobia denotes fright. I’m not scared of Muslims. But I’m not scared to fight for my country. It’s only my experiences in watching the horrors of Islam tell me that America is much better off without it.

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ANGRY WHITE IMAM’S MUSLIM WIFE BAZAAR!

posted by ANGRY WHITE DUDE 10:22 PM
Tuesday, June 15, 2010

O shama lama ding dong you worthless infidel dogs! Many days have passed since we last visited and the Imam has a deal for you tonight!! The Imam brings the blessings of Allah to you dogs. Allah told me he would just rather chop off your heads but the Imam talked him out of it. Why? Because that’s just the kind of Imam I am! Shama lama ding dong!

The Imam watches your Satanic commercials for evil products like Viagra to make your sword of Allah straight. No Muslim ever needs such products designed to weaken your mind and harden your limp Fatwa! Tonight the Imam wants to help you male infidels! Imam wants you to understand why those brave Muslim soldiers, our Jihad Joes, are so willing to explode themselves like that fat guy in that satanic Monty Python movie! Don’t tell Muhammad but the Imam did have a chuckle or two watching that! Our young martyrs willfully explode themselves because they will inherit 72 virtuous, Muslim virgins in Heaven! Female too! So tonight, Imam is going to “hook you up” as you infidels say with the finest, most wholesome, Muslim fillies in the Middle East!! The Imam has started a personals page for you infidels to find your Arab princess! As your infidel car dealers say, “Imam’s dealing!”

Aisha – She’s a good girl, loves her mama, loves horses and Iran too…she’s a good girl, crazy about Muhammad, loves the Koran and Allah too! This fine Muslim filly will put the shama lama in your ding dong! Aisha likes long walks on the beach in her burqa, likes Majida Streep movies, hates all Jews and has a Masters in bombmaking! She will be the wind beneath your infidel wings! Pick her up for a special price! Two camels and an AK-47 for a limited time only!

Jameela – In Arabic, Jameela means “destroyer of Jewish school children!” What’s not to like?! She cooks, cleans house, walks first through minefields and likes getting beaten across the buttocks with a car antenna. What more could you ask for? Jameela is looking for a good, loyal infidel husband whose throat she can slit while he is sleeping. If you’re an infidel with insomnia, Jameela is the one for you! Make an offer!

Rabab – Rabab means “scares small children” in Arabic. The Imam will be honest with you. Rabab is really Shenaynay Williams from Chicago! Minister Farakkhan got tired of Rabab scaring children…and entire families..away from attending prayers. So he paid Imam a special price to move her out. Rabab is a two-time felon, hates white people, Jews and, well pretty much everyone else too, but gets US food stamps under 5 aliases. A good earner and excellent at breaking and entering. Just don’t get on the wrong side of Rabab! She will cuss you like the infidel dog you are!

Safa – Safa in Arabic knows “we don’t know what the hell is hiding under that burqa” but imagine the joy you will have unwrapping Safa like a Ramadan present! Who knows what bliss and joy you will find? Will you find a beautiful, obedient Arab princess who will adore your every move. Will you find a proud, spirited Muslim queen who you can ride like a wild camel? Hopefully, you don’t find Ghaywon the hairdresser hiding under that burqa! We’ve been looking for him for a while and have a major league jihad waiting on him!

Oops, too late on this one! She’s not available anymore. Just proof how effective Angry White Imam’s Wife Bazaar is! Looks like she didn’t want to strap on that bomb vest or lay down in front of the tank. Know what Imam says? He says….next?!

Yasirah – Yasirah in Arabic means “is that a hand grenade in your robe or are you just glad to see me?” You will say Yessir to Yasirah! Her lovely eyes, eyebrows and forehead are all you infidels need to know about the beauty of this young lovely! She really hates Jews which is always an admirable trait in a wife! How much does she hate Jews? Well, a lot! Yasirah was voted Most Likely to Explode at the Yassir Arafat School of Jihad last year! Get her before she’s in pieces! You won’t regret it! She will change your mind when you think of Boom Boom! A bargain at any price! Only three rockets, a bomb vest and a few rocks and she’s all yours!

A three-fer! The Imam will be straight with you. This Muslim trio has been looking for husbands since gasoline was $.87 per gallon! They’re not too much to look at but have great personalities, trust the Imam! They cook, clean and are always there when you feel the need to give your wife a good beat down! Heck, you can stone one and have two left over for future stonings or beheadings! Why does the Imam do this for you infidel dogs? Because that’s just the kind of Imam I am! Make offer but the Imam is ready to deal on these three!

You infidels Satanic dogs can only find true happiness in the warm embrace of Islam and a fine Muslim filly! These are the type of woman jihadi warriors are exploding themselves over but now you can call the Imam’s Wife Bazaar and with the help of some Mexican friends, the Imam can have your new wife to you in a week or so!

And, as always, the Imam leaves you with the Islamic dance of love. These moves will have your little Basheeba peeling off that burqa and doing things to you that can get you beheaded in 57 Muslim countries!! Rama lama ding dong!!!

Until we meet again, this is the Angry White Imam, or Islamic Love Broker, telling you to embrace Islam and it’s lovely fillies or face the wrath of Muhammad. And you don’t want to end up on Youtube, do you? Peace be unto you, except you Jews!

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DANCING WITH THE IMAMS OPEN POST

posted by ANGRY WHITE DUDE 11:59 PM
Tuesday, May 25, 2010

Hello and welcome, infidels! Oh, I almost forgot….shama lama ding dong be unto you! The Imam is happy to bring a special message from Allah!! Allah says for all infidels to embrace the peace found only through Islam or have your head cut off! And I think he means it too!

Tonight, the Imam is in a good mood and feels the need for some celebration! Nothing illustrates joy to Allah more than quality, Imam-approved dancing! No, not that shameful Dancing with the Infidels you people watch on your satanic televisions! Those dancing infidels look like two Jews running around with their heads cut off! Angry White Imam is talking about an old time Islamic celebration and dancing unknown to the infidel parts of the world!

The Imam will share it with you infidels…because that’s just the kind of Imam I am! But a warning be upon you! Any infidel caught doing the holy dance of Islam will immediately turn into a Jew! So funky Islamic dancing be upon you…and remember this about Allah, he puts the shama lama, rama lama ding dong….he puts the ooh mow mow back into the Imam’s smile. That is why, that is why, Allah is my shooby dooby doo! This video will be upon your evil minds for a long time….it’s that good!

Angry White Imam proclaims to the world….THIS IS AN INFIDEL OPEN POST (may many comments be upon it). And remember, infidels, don’t try any of those Islam dance moves on your infidel dog women. They will immediately want to take you and hold hands…which is forbidden!

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CRAZY MUSLIM CHOPS OFF HIS UNIT FOR ALLAH!

posted by ANGRY WHITE DUDE 9:17 PM
Saturday, May 1, 2010
YEOOWW- I CHOPPED OFF MY UNIT FOR ALLAH!

YEOOWW- I CHOPPED OFF MY UNIT FOR ALLAH!

This post ran a year ago. I thought it may be nice to go back and look at what we were talking about 12 months ago. Also, since we have so many new dudes and dudettes, we wouldn’t want them to miss reading up on some Muslim cat chopping off his unit for love! Wonder how he’s doing a year later? Enjoy.

Fanatical, stupid and wiener-less is no way to go through life, son! It’s a laugh a minute with those crazy Muslims I tell ya! If they’re not whacking a female family member for family honor because she answered the door for the pizza delivery guy, they’re chopping off heads, blowing up schools or picking a fight with a tank by throwing rocks at it! Not much they do surprises the Angry White Dude anymore. But get this, an Egyptian man recently chopped off his John Thomas because his family refused to let him marry a little bubushka from the wrong side of the tracks! He decided to go wiener-less to spite his family.

Hell, didn’t the same thing happen to Romeo and Juliet? And to Aladdin and Princess Jasmine in Aladdin? You didn’t see Aladdin chopping off his man thang just to spite Jafar! But this poor wiener-less Egyptian will now go through life wishing he had thought this thing out a little better before performing major surgery on himself! Why not go out and get a tattoo of the Star of David to get on his family’s nerves? What about buying a Harley? What about buying a guitar to punish your ma? Any of these things will seem a pretty good idea to young Mahmood in a week or so. Even if his family changes their mind about that little tramp from the south side of town, there is basically NO chance she wants an oil sheik without any drilling apparatus! From this point on, Mahmood’s only chance of getting some lovin’ is to play for the other team. But he’d have to move to California to do that. “Sensitive guys” don’t have a long life expectancy over in those parts.

As if I needed another reason to believe Muslims are batsh*t crazy, here goes wiener boy in Egypt! There are two body parts that I would refuse to lose under any circumstance and both of them are my old fella!

Speaking of which, this is a perfect time to share our porn names. You know, the names you use on the shapely adorables when out with the boys for a little fun. (Disclaimer: AWD has been married for one year and doesn’t speak to shapely adorables anymore…this page gets read by you know who!). Well, the AWD was so successful in my single days that I had me two porn names to use in an emergency. You can tell me which one you like the best.

AWD’s porn names (in my former life)

1. Jake Steele

2. Miles Long

So let’s hear your porn names boys. We’ll do so and have a laugh at Miss Mahmood sitting over unit-less staring at the pyramids….by himself!

Here’s the article:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jkQeFfl3y8YnKolTFhvdjo1IpAogD98HFSUG0

To help poor Mahmood cheer up, AWD is linking a song that seems strangely appropos …Detachable Penis:

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ASK THE ANGRY WHITE IMAM

posted by ANGRY WHITE DUDE 7:11 PM
Sunday, April 4, 2010
THE IMAM KNOWS BEST!

THE IMAM KNOWS BEST!

Salaam a lama ding dong to all you infidels! To show you how big and huge the Imam is, the Imam wishes you infidels a happy Easter on your infidel day of infidel worship! Being a merciful Imam, the Imam has a deal for all you infidel Christians. If you explode yourself and kill yourselves and other infidels or Joos, the Imam has arranged for you to be awarded virgins in Heaven. Since you are infidels you do not qualify for 72 pearly-skinned white sexy virgins as do our proud Muslim self-exploders. But, for a limited time only, if you blow yourself up, the Imam will get you 3 somewhat ugly, almost virgins and a DVD of Basic Instinct! That Sharon Stone was one fine infidel in her day (may the Imam be upon her)!

As you know the Supreme Infidel AWD asked the Imam to answer questions about Islam so his infidel readerss can learn more about the lifestyle they will live very soon when Sharia law rules the world! Shama-lama-ding-DONG on that! So here’s some of the Imam’s latest mail:

Question: Can women be leaders?

Answer: Haha! Good one! Islam doesn’t even let women drive…or speak for that matter….why would Islam let women be leaders? Haven’t we learned enough watching Nancy Pelosi?

Question: I want to go for jihad,but work prohibits me to do so,what could I do to go for Jihad as soon as possible. I hold a high-level position in the Democrat party.

Answer: Brother (may hope and change be upon you), you are doing enough to bring down the Great Satan!

Question: Are we supposed to get worldly education and become scientists, doctors, engineers, etc.?

Answer: While seeking of worldly knowledge is permissible and even commendable in certain circumstances, it is not the purpose of man’s creation. The purpose of all Muslims is to blow themselves up and kill as many infidels as possible. And Allah knows best!

Question: I am Muslim and hate all infidels. But I follow the Sunni tenets of Islam. Should I also hate the Shia and try to explode them?

Answer: the Imam likes the way you think! You are right on track by hating infidel religions but you get extra Allah points for hating the Shia too. The Shia are fags and the Imam would give them all a slap!

Question: I want to know why prophet Muhammad (peace n blessing of allah be upon him) married to Aisha may peace be upon her when she was just 8 years old?

Answer: That is a vicious lie propagated by infidels!!! The prophet Muhammad married Aisha when she was 9 years old! Why 9 and not 8? Because the prophet Muhammad didn’t like young women.

Question: O wise Imam, I have a scientific question and have been pondering the answer. If I am driving in a car that is going 65 mph into a headwind that is 23 mph at an altitude of 232 feet above sea level and an infidel is traveling behind me at the exact same velocity. If I throw 2 ounce rock out of my window and it hits the infidel in the head, will it kill him?

Answer: Yes, thanks be to Allah. It was Allah that invented tossing trash and pebbles from moving vehicles! And the Imam knows science better than Bill Nye the Science Infidel!

So Happy Easter you infidels (may Sharia law be upon you)! Remember the special offer for blowing yourself up ends on Memorial (to all infidels) Day. Call now and the Imam will throw in a Ginsu Decapitation knife set. It slices, dices and circumcises! And it will make you the envy of your mosque! Our operators are standing…..bye!

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BUY THE BURKHA BARBIE FOR YOUR LITTLE INFIDEL!

posted by AWD 2:25 PM
Sunday, November 22, 2009
BURKHA BARBIE - YOUR LITTLE INFIDEL WILL KILL FOR ONE!

BURKHA BARBIE - YOUR LITTLE INFIDEL WILL KILL FOR ONE!

ANNOUNCERS VOICE: Just in time for Christm..err..Hanukk..err..Ramadan is Burkha Barbie! Yes, you’re little infidel will love finding Burkha Barbie next to her prayer mat! She’ll spend hours learning to hate infidels and dream of exploding herself in a roomful of her classmates! She’ll dress Burkha Barbie in one of the three burqas..each one designed for maximum coverage and discomfort! Also available is Persian Gulf Muhammad who will accompany Burkha Barbie everywhere she goes or be forced to perform an honor killing under the direction of Mecca Beach Allah (may 72 Burkha Beach Burkhini Barbies be upon him). She’ll enjoy the Burkha Barbie accessories available such as the genital mutilation kit, stoning party set, Schoolbus Blast bomb vest, and prayer mat where Burkha Barbie will pray 5 times per day or wish she had! Oh how your little infidel will shout Alihu Akhbar when she sees her Burkha Barbie!! AK-47 and Beheading Kit for Persian Gulf Muhammad not included.

Barbie is going back in time. Waaaay back in time. To the 7th century! That way Mattel can sell Barbies to little Muslim girls. The Burkha Barbie is part of Sotheby’s Save The Children campaign. What Sotheby’s should be campaigning is to save Muslim children from Islam..the religion of murder. Just forcing the burkha upon women is terribly degrading. When one considers the horrible culture of genital mutliation, stonings, honor killings and the rest of the degradation forced upon Muslim women, it is appalling a doll maker or any other organization would manufacture the Burkha Barbie.

Islam is deeply seated in barbarism and violence. There is no good that comes from this “religion.” Only death and violence. All the PC wishes in the progressive world cannot hide or deny the violence perpetuated by Islam and its followers. Of course, you will hear nothing about Burkha Barbie from the mainstream media and (lesbian and ugly) women’s groups such as NOW. Women’s groups don’t care about women…they only care about women aborting babies. And to think not too long ago women’s groups protested Barbie for “objectifying women.”

This politically correct world gets curiouser and curiouser.

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LIBTARD OF THE WEEK – HUSSEIN HOPENCHANGE

posted by ANGRY WHITE DUDE 12:21 PM
Saturday, November 7, 2009
YOU ARE FOOLING NO ONE!

YOU ARE FOOLING NO ONE!

After an insulting attempt while addressing the nation after the murders of US soldiers at Fort Hood, President Hopenchange continues the pathetic “we are the world” theme of his presidency! The day after getting his “shout outs” in an address to the nation after the killings at the hands of another Muslim madman, Obama was busy telling Americans about the blessings of diversity. He said:

“They are Americans of every race, faith and station,” he said. “They are Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and nonbelievers. They are descendants of immigrants, and immigrants themselves. They reflect the diversity that makes this America. But what they share is a patriotism like no other. What they share is a commitment to country that has been tested and proved worthy. What they share is the same unflinching courage, unblinking compassion and uncommon camaraderie that the soldiers and civilians of Fort Hood showed America and showed the world.”

I find it hard to believe that Muslims share the same patriotism that the rest of us do. I haven’t seen it! It is my experience that Muslims are loyal to the Koran first. Protecting the Constitution of the United States isn’t found in any Muslim doctrine. Once again, Americans are bitten in the ass because of the imposed lunacy of diversity. America was founded and built on Judeo-Christian beliefs and ethics. Allah and Muhammed weren’t anywhere to be found and shouldn’t be now. Allowing the tide of Muslims to infiltrate our society, military and government will bring many more catastrophes like we saw at Ft. Hood. This is my belief.

Obama is busy telling Americans to not “jump to conclusions.” Really, what conclusions would they be? Like 13 American soldiers dead from a Muslim murderer yelling “alihu akhbar?” Conclusions as in the number of captured would-be terrorists in the past few months planning attacks on skyscrapers, subways, shopping malls and other targets? Conclusions that this is the third attack or attempt this year by Muslim terrorists on a US military base? It sure would be nice to see the religion of peace embracing peace instead of killing Americans for once.

The old saying, “don’t pee on my boots and tell me it’s raining” applies to the PC BS the leftists in government have pushed upon us. The mainstream media continues to report about the Muslims in America fearing retaliation from angry Americans. Boo freaking hoo. Last count I saw this week is Muslims – 13, Americans – 0. That the Muslim murderer is alive in the hospital speaks volumes to the humanity of Americans and our belief in the rule of law.

Hussein Hopenchange has left no doubt of the wacko leftist, America-hating embarrassment he is. Americans are gullible and trusting. They voted for him because he said such smooth, sweet words and to show Americans weren’t racist as they’ve been trained. Barack Obama’s words may be slick but his actions illuminate a very black soul. A very deserving Libtard of the Week – Barrack Hussein Obama!

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ASK THE ANGRY WHITE DUDE IMAM

posted by ANGRY WHITE DUDE 11:18 PM
Friday, August 7, 2009
PEACE BE UPON YOU INFIDELS!  DEATH TO AMERICA!

PEACE BE UPON YOU INFIDELS! DEATH TO AMERICA!

Death to America! Death to infidels! Peace be upon you my angry white brothers! Time for another installment of Ask the Imam where you motherless infidels can ask and learn all the things you have wanted to know about Islam but were afraid of being beheaded. First off to lighten up the room…a joke! Q: what does a camel’s hump smell like? A: an Arab’s ass! Hahhahaaha mahallalah badallah shama lama ding dong! The Imam’s still got it! Tonight I will answer many complex questions sent in from around the Muslim world..peace be upon them big time.

Question: I am making my first pilgrimage to Mecca. Will Allah hate my guts if I wear socks with my sandals? I am troubled to look like a infidel tourist…plus it isn’t sexy anyway. I might try to meet a few new wives while I’m there. Also, can I wear a Hawaiian shirt? I have one like Magnum’s. After all, it is my vacation too!

Answer: Praise be to Allah. It was Allah who taught us to wear sandals. Preferably huaraches. They should not be worn with socks and a Hawaiian shirt, lest you be confused with some retired vacationing infidel from New Jersey. What’s the matter with you? Socks with sandals? Hawaiian shirts? What kind of Muslim are you anyway? And who taught you to dress?

Question: Is it ok to talk on the phone to a woman you are planning to marry?

Answer: Allah strictly forbids men and women speaking on the phone before marriage! A Muslim man may be tempted by infidel feelings and say words that will condemn him to Hell. He might say, “I like to hold hand with you woman.” Or, “hold hand of your man, woman.” Talk like this is condemned and dangerous. It can further lead to, “your eyes shine through burqa with power of 1000 bombs” or worse yet, “let me get under dat burqa and get my freaky deaky on.” Also, women are forbidden to communicate. On phone. Ever. Trust me on that one!

Q: I had a dream that Allah was happy. Should I repent?

A: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful, Most Gloomy.
Does Allah look happy? Does he seem to be a happy kind of guy? Do you think he’s funny? Does he amuse you? Do you think he’s here to amuse you? There’s your answer!

Q: Over the years i often heard, that keeping a cat as a pet is forbidden. is this true?

A: Keeping a cat is not forbidden but be careful. Keeping a cat, taking long, lavendar bubble baths listening to Clay Aiken CD’s is expressly forbidden. You will be on the slippery slope to being an infidel…and worse yet, a liberal infidel! May AIDS be upon you!

Q: Is favoritism amongst ones children allowed in Islam?

A: Allah never did like ugly children. Matter of fact, he doesn’t like ugly people! That is why he invented the burqa. Yes, you may show favoritism to your children. Encourage your ugly ones to explode themselves in a crowded building. Tell them they will inherit 72 virgins. If they are too young to understand, tell them they will receive 72 Snickers bars. They’ll like that. And no more ugly children!

Q: I am living in Australia. In here most of the time we have to use public toilet. I just want to know after go to toilet by using paper towel can I pray or do I have to take shower.

A: Take a shower, puh-leeze! We smell bad enough as it is! Nobody wants your butt in the air during prayer after making poopies! Your making me sick over here!

So that is all the time we have for another segment of Ask the Imam. The Imam hopes you infidels learned more about the religion of peace. Now get out of here before somebody gets beheaded…and it ain’t going to be me!

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ASK THE ANGRY WHITE DUDE IMAM

posted by ANGRY WHITE DUDE 9:43 PM
Sunday, August 2, 2009
ASK THE WISE IMAM!

ASK THE WISE IMAM!

Greetings believers and infidels, and gunga galunga…which means on your death bed you will receive total conscientiousness…which is nice! There is much confusion about Islam and the AWD imam will try to teach you dirty infidels (may death and the stench of a thousand Rosie O’Donnells be upon you) about the religion of peace by answering common questions by Muslims.

Q: Is a woman allowed to put highlights in her hair?

A: In the name of Allah, most gracious, most merciful, most fashionable. It is permissible for a woman to put highlights in her hair to beautify herself for her husband. The highlights should not resemble highlights of any immoral infidel woman like Madonna or Elton John. Oh, and Clarol #34 is Allah’s preferred shade.

Q: Yesterday I entered my grandparents house and said “assalaamu alaikum”, I was then scolded by my grandfather who said it is not permissible to greet somebody when they are eating. Should I kill him?

A: Yes, but kill them tenderly with the light of Allah as it is your grandparents. Islam forbids putting the video on Youtube since it is your family.

Q: Can a Muslim say ‘bless you’ to a non-Muslim when he sneezes?

A: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful, Most Sanitary.
No, he cannot utter such a meaningless statement even to a Muslim. In response to a non-Muslim sneezing, he should remain silent…or behead them. If he wishes, he may say “HadaaKleenex” (Allah wishes you had a Kleenex) or merely, “Death to America.” And Allah knows best.

Q: O wise Imam, I am a 15 year old girl in London and i have been wearing the headscarf for just over a year and i hate it.

A: Allah is watching you and he is not happy. And when Allah is not happy, somebody gets a beat down! A Muslim woman does not know how sexy she is to a Muslim man when she is under yards and yards of tent material sweating like the Taliban dodging Predator missiles in Afghanistan. You should constantly refocus your attention to the pleasure of Allah and constantly remind yourself that Allah is watching you at all times. He sees you when you’re sleeping. He knows when you’re awake. He knows when you’ve been bad or good so wear that hijab for Allah’s sake!

Q: I got married 2 years ago but my wife seems to be unhappy. she says I do not satisfy her in a manly way. What should I do?

A: Peace be unto you my brother! You must teach your selfish wife the gift of patience. She does not understand that you have many pressures. You must pray 134 times per day, you must attend protests against the Great Satan and little Satan every day in the streets, and perhaps your carburetor is working up again! Your wife is acting like a loose infidel woman and must be punished. The Imam suggests beating her across the buttocks with a car antenna. That will satisfy her physical urges and teach her to keep her mashallah-hole shut!

Q: Imam, Can Ahlus Sunnah use tasawvvuf way of Akhlaaq?
A: Don’t piss me off.

So that’s it for the first installment of Ask the Imam. You infidels must convert at once to Islam or you will be cast down into the seventh ring of hell….the one above the ring of hell reserved for Benny Hinn and that grinning infidel Joel Osteen (may bankruptcy be upon them). So peace be unto you and Death to America!!

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If Jesus failed then why did Allah take him up to heaven alive?
If Muhammed succeeded, why did Allah let him die from the effects of poison?
If the lamb spoke to Muhammed, why did it wait for Muhammed to take a bite?

Muhammed failed his mission JESUS COMPLETED HIS MISSION. Jesus was here to take on the sins of the world
perverted muhammed was poisoned and died and yet he claimed to be a prophet and he could not even see into the future and see that someone was going to poison him. I guess mohammed was not such a good prophet huh? A prophet is one who tell the FUTURE so mohammed failed the test of being a prophet since he could not even see his own death coming.

Zaid
we know about islam that is why we are NOT muslims. We are not into following sick bastards like mohammed who fucked a 9 yr old little girl.
Islam is for stupid people who believe a man got a message in a cave from an angel when there is NO PROOF mohammed ever saw an angel. Its only mohammeds word

In 615 A.D., five years after the beginning of the revelation of the Qur'an, a group of the Prophet's Companions, weary of daily torture and hardship, left Makkah on the Prophet's advice to seek shelter in Abyssinia (Ethiopia) with the Christian ruler, King Najashi (Negus).

The Quraysh leaders sent two of their cleverest men to persuade King Najashi to send the Muslims back. On arrival, they first gave gifts to the King's advisers, saying that some "foolish Makkans" had recently migrated to Abyssinia and that they intended to ask the king for their return.

Is the Quran or Bible the Word of God? Christianity or Islam?

Biography of Prophet Muhammad

February 21st, 2011

Biography of Prophet Muhammad by Amr Khaled (عمروخالد)

Illustration of the Muslim televangelist, Amr Khaled

llustration of Amr Khaled by Harry Afentoglou

As a Christian learning more about Islam, I will be posting  a lecture given by Amr Khaled on the biography of prophet Muhammad.  My hope is to learn more about Islam from a Muslim who is non-Western and Arabic speaking.1  Amr Khaled fits these criteria; in fact, he is one of the most famous Muslim preachers in the world:

  • Time Magazine called Amr Khaled the Billy Graham of Islam and one of the top 100 people in the world whose power, talent or moral example is transforming the world (The Time 100).
  • The New York Times called Amr Khaled “the world’s most famous and influential Muslim television preacher”.
  • Amr Khaled’s website - amrkhaled.net – is one of the most popular from Egypt to Morocco to Oman.

At various points throughout these postings on the biography of prophet Muhammad, I will be comparing Muhammad’s biography and Muhammad’s prophethood with the Christian Scriptures.  I invite you to learn with me – whether it be learning more about Muhammad and Islam or learning more about Jesus and Christianity.

This is the first of 7 videos.  In this episode Amr Khaled discusses the following about Prophet Muhammad:

I will be comparing:

Amr Khaled gives greetings to his viewers and he gave greetings from his viewers to Muhammad at Prophet Muhammad’s grave

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In the Name of God, praise be to Him and His peace be upon his Messenger.  Welcome to a new program on the Biography of the Prophet (PBUH).” Amr Khaled then gives his welcome and greetings…

The second point that has made me happy is that after yesterday’s program, some youths called me or sent me emails entrusting me with sending their greetings to Prophet Muhammad.  Actually, the last thing I do before coming here is go to the Prophet’s grave to greet him so I may realize that I am bearing a great responsibility.  Thenk I would keep looking at the house of Muhammad; I did something that should appeal to all our viewers i.e., I addressed the Prophet saying all our viewers are greeting him!  While saying so, I felt the Prophet would receive all our greetings and he (PBUH) would answer our greetings too.  So, I sent all your greetings to the Prophet!

Amr Khaled explains the purpose of the show: to discuss Prophet Muhammad’s boyhood and adulthood till marriage

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In today’s program, there will be an introduction, then a question, then handling the Prophet’s boyhood, then his adulthood till marriage.  Tomorrow we will handle the beginning of the Prophet’s Message, but today we will focus on the aforementioned points.

Amr Khaled discusses Prophet Muhammad’s appearance

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Hair from Prophet Muhammad's Beard
Hair from Prophet Muhammad’s Beard

First, let’s start with a spiritual introduction so it may help us remember Muhammad (PBUH).  Today’s introduction will be about the Prophet’s physical appearance; can you describe his appearance?  Surely, we all wish we could have seen Prophet Muhammad, and known his physical appearance.  In fact, many books described the Prophet’s physical appearance saying Prophet Muhammad was of medium height; if he stood among tall people, he would not appear to be short and if among short people, he would not look so tall.

The Prophet was pink-colored and whitish; he had a straight body and was not potbellied.  His hair and beard were black; that was the Prophet’s physical appearance.  I know this description will not help you visualize his physical appearance; surely you wish to visualize him!  In fact, God has guided me to read 3 stories in the Prophetic Biography that help you visualize his appearance, so it is a present to our viewers!  Listen to these 3 stories to visualize his appearance:  I will not describe his eyebrows or his hair color or his facial features or his height or his body size, but I will related 3 stories that will help visualize Muhammad’s face!  So, whenever you want to see the Prophet, recall these three stories.

Amr Khaled related three stories about Prophet Muhammad’s appearance

First story of prophet Muhammad’s appearance related by Abdulla ibn Salam

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Relics of Prophet Muhammad
Piece of Prophet Muhammad Hair

The first story was of a man called Abdulla ibn Salam who was a Jew living in Medina.  Abdullah ibn Salam was told that the Arab Prophet would come to Medina; so he prepared 10 questions to ask Prophet Muhammad.  Ibn Salam was a Jewish scribe and he knew the description of the last Prophet.  So, he prepared 10 questions to ask Muhammad so he would know if he was a Prophet or not via the answers!

He took his son and went to meet Muhammad; when he looked at Muhammad’s face, he knew he was God’s Messenger.  He did not ask his questions to the Prophet, but he knew he was a Prophet from his face.

His son wondered why he did not ask the questions.  Ibn Salam said because that face was not that of a liar!  He realized Muhammad (PBUH) was a Prophet through his face.”
“I hope you will be able to visualize the Prophet’s face!”
Relics of Muhammad are popular.  See: Belongings of Prophet Muhammad

Second story of prophet Muhammad’s appearance related by Jabir ibn Abdullah

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“The second story was with Jabir ibn Abduallah.  Jabir narrated that he was walking in Medina on a moonlit night and he was looking at the Moon that fascinated him.  He added while he was looking at the Moon, Prophet Muhammad came from the direction where Jabir was looking at the Moon!  Then Jabir ibn Abdullah kept looking up and down.  He said, “I compared him to the Moon…”  Seems there was a point of similarity between them!  Then Jabir said, “…I…found that, for me, he was better than the Moon.”"

“So, Muhammad (PBUH) looked much better than the Moon; his face must have had extraordinary light!”

Third story of prophet Muhammad’s appearance related by Abdullah ibn Rawaha

Hair from the beard of Prophet Muhammad

Kashmiri Muslim men watch as a hair from the beard of Prophet Muhammad is shown at the Hazratbal Shrine in Srinagar on Feb. 16, 2011. (Tauseef Mustafa / AFP - Getty Images)

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“Listen to the third story that will help visualize all the Prophet’s features.  Abdullah ibn Rawaha was an eloquent Arab poet; a man who had not seen the Prophet asked Abdullah to describe him!  By the way, ibn Rawaha died before Prophet Muhammad!”

“He was asked to describe the Prophet; he gave an interesting answer.  He said some words that would help you visualize the Prophet; he said, “Had you seen him, you would have felt the Sun was shining!”"

“Of course, you know how the sky looks at sunrise; that was what ibn Rawaha implied!  Surely, some of you must have witnessed sunrise; it arouses wonderful feelings inside you!  Prophet Muhammad’s coming from afar was like sunrise; I hope you will have visualized his face by now!”

ashmiri Muslim women watch as a hair from the beard of Prophet Muhammad is shown.

Kashmiri Muslim women watch as a hair from the beard of Prophet Muhammad is shown at the Hazratbal Shrine in Srinagar on Feb. 16, 2011. (Tauseef Mustafa / AFP - Getty Images)

“God’s peace be upon Muhammad.  Now you love him, right?”

“The Prophet (PBUH) must have walked in the place where we are sitting now and his house was near the minaret you are seeing now on the scrreen.  Hopefully, this introduction will help you visualize his face!”

“Imagine the Prophet might embrace you on Doomsday or hold your hand to show you your palace in Paradise or your palace might be next to his!  You might be able to see the Prophet through the windows of your palace.”

“Ibn Rawaha’s saying the Prophet’s coming from afar was like sunrise has to do with an amazing story!  Known when the Prophet was born?  He was born on Rabi’l, 12!  [Monday, 12th Rabi' al-Awwal, Year, AD 570 {see also the Timeline of Prophet Muhammad's life].2 Know the hour of his birth?  Many do not know the answer; it is said he was born at the sunrise of Rabi l, 12!  His face was shining like the rising sun; he was born at sunrise!  God willed the Prophet to be born at sunrise in particular; this implies he was a light that would flood the Earth!  Just like the Sun rises everyday, Muhammad’s birth is like sunlight flooding the Earth till Doomsday.  God’s peace be upon Muhammad!”

Prophet Muhammad’s Miracles

The prophet Muhammad and miracles.  Amr Khaled says the prophet Muhammad’s miracles did not change the course of events like the miracles of Moses.

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Prophet Muhammad's Arabic Name Written in Calligraphy

Muhammad's Arabic Name in Calligraphy

After this introduction, let’s see the question posed by some youths; I asked the youths to meet me on the Internet so we would exchange views on the last program.  They sent many questions; a question was repeated most: I said the miracle of Abraha’s army destruction was the last tangible miracle and after Muhammad’s birth, miracles stopped and the age of science started,3 but what about his Night Journey and Ascension to Heaven & the Moon Split.  Those who asked that question and I are both right!” “True there were miracles at Muhammad’s time, but such miracles did not change the course of events; got this point?  Such miracles did not lead to a decisive victory; they were not like Moses’ Cane that split the sea so the believers could cross it or like the Flights of Birds that destroyed the army of Abraha!” “The Prophet’s miracles were not like that; they were not like Noah’s Ark!” “What was the aim of Muhammad’s miracles?  They aimed at supporting the believers; the Night Journey relieved the Prophet after being harmed by At-Ta’if people and the Moon Split proved his Prophethood, but they did not change the course of events or results as they had to be changed due to the efforts of Muslims, and that is the real miracle!” “The Prophet’s miracles aimed at strengthening Faith and not at changing the results of battles!  The angels descended to the battlefield in Badr Battle, but it was not they who achieved the decisive victory then, for it wa Muslims who achieved that victory!” “Never think I am denying Prophet Muhammad’s miracles, but I am saying this so we can imitate the Prophet’s success experience so none would say he succeeded as he was backed by the Revelation and we will not rise as there is no more Revelation!” “Why handle Prophet Muhammad’s life story if we cannot benefit from it?!  Had Muhammad’s success story been miraculous, it would have been useless to relate it.  As Muhammad is the Last Prophet, his miracle is his followers themselves!” “Moses’ and Jesus’ miracles did not continue after their deaths, but the miracle of the last Prophet had to be an everlasting one; so his miracle is the Muslim men and women who follow in his footsteps.” “Thus, the Prophet’s miracles did not aim at changing the course of events, rather he had to plan to achieve success.  The Revelation acted only as guidance; the Qur’an was revealed to guide us to stick to God’s Path!  I had to answer that crucial question!  None should say we cannot imitate him as he was backed by the Revelation; the Revelation was but a guidance to him and it will remain as a guidance to Muslims!  The Prophet had to set plans, exert great efforts and many sacrifices were made and so he could attain victory!

Prophet Muhammad and Jesus’ Appearance

The date of Jesus’ birth is celebrated December 25 or January 7, but the actual date is not known. Jesus’ birth was in conjunction with an astronomical phenomenon which led others to worship Him (Matthew 2:1-2). The Scriptures don’t describe Jesus’ earthly appearance, but it seems to have been insignificant (Isaiah 52:14; Isaiah 53:2). However, the Scriptures emphasize Jesus’ divine glory hundreds of years before the Incarnation (John 12:41 with Isaiah 6:3-5; Psalm 45:1-2) and His appearance after His resurrection and glorification (Revelation 1:14-18; 2:18; 19:12; cf. Acts 22:6-11; 26:12-15 [Paul's conversion]; Matthew 17:2 [Jesus' transfiguration]).

This highlights a major difference between Jesus and Muhammad’s physical appearance:

What does Muhammad’s physical appearance look like today?

Prophet Muhammad, Miracles and Jesus’ Miracles

One of Jesus’ great and lasting miracles is His empty tomb.  Jesus has risen from the dead; ascended into heaven; and is everlasting King (Isaiah 9:6-7).  One of the lasting signs of Jesus’ kingship was the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in AD 70.

Next Amr Khaled Post about Prophet Muhammad’s biography

Biography of Prophet Muhammad Part 2

Articles you may be interested in:

References for Prophet Muhammad’s biography (sirah)

Karen Armstrong, Muhammad: A Biography of the Prophet (1991).

_____________, and Muhammad: A Prophet for Our Time (2006).

Bint al-Shati [ʿĀʿishah ʿAbd al-Raḥmān]. The Wives of the Prophet. Translated with an introduction by Matti Moosa and D. Nicholas Ranson. Lahore, 1971. Translated from the Arabic, Nisāʿ al-Nabī. Cairo, 1961. Expanded ed. Cairo, 1973. Buhl, Frants, and Alford T. Welch. “Muḥammad.” In Encyclopaedia of Islam, new ed., vol. 5, pp. 360–376.

Deepak Chopra, Muhammad: A Story of the Last Prophet

Crone, Patricia, Meccan trade and the rise of Islam, Princeton 1987

Horovitz, Josef, The Earliest Biographies of the Prophet and their Authors, edited by Lawrence I. Conrad

Ibn Ishaq, Life of Muhammad, translated by Professor Alfred Guillaume.  An abridged version of Ibn Ishaq’s biography of Muhammad: Sirat Rasoul Allah H. Motzki (ed.), The biography of Muḥammad. The issue of the sources, Leiden 2000. Oxford Islamic Studies, “Life of the Prophet” Safiur-Rahman al-Mubarakpuri, Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum (The Sealed Nectar: The Biography of the Noble Prophet), Riyadh, 1996.

Muslim, ibn al-Ḥajjāj al-Qushayrī. Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim: Being traditions of the sayings and doings of the Prophet Muḥammad as narrated by his companions and compiled under the title al-Jāmiʿ al-Ṣaḥīḥ. 4 vols. Translated by ʿAbdul Hamid Siddiqi. Lahore, 1976.

Prophetic Biography - Wikipedia

Schimmel, Annemarie. And Muhammad Is His Messenger: The Veneration of the Prophet in Islamic Piety. Chapel Hill, N.C., 1985.

Tabari, Muhammad ibn Jarir al-. The History of al-Tabari (Tārīkh al-rusūl wa-al-mulūk) in 40 volumes.  Edited by Ehsan Yar-Shater. Albany, N.Y., 1989–2007.

Musa b. ʿUqba al-Asadi (ca. 55-141/675-758) – only a fragment of his work on the expeditions of Muhammad (maghazi) has survived and is quoted by Ibn Ishaq.

Ibn Saʿd Muhammad b. Saʿd (168-230/784-845), Akhbār al-nabī, the life and times of the Prophet.  This is the first extant full biography of Prophet Muhammad after Ibn Ishaq’s. Ibn Sa’d's Kitab Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabir, trans. S. Moinul Haq and H.K. Ghazanfar, Karachi, vol. 1, 1967, vol. 2, 1972 (Pakistan Historical Society Publication Nos. 46, 59) Ibn Warraq, The Quest for the Historical Muhammad. Watt, W. Montgomery, Muhammad at Mecca. Oxford, 1953.

_________________, Muhammad at Medina. Oxford, 1956.

_________________, Muhammad: Prophet and Statesman. London and New York, 1961.

Websites about Prophet Muhammad

Description of Prophet Muhammad PBS Timeline of Prophet Muhammad’s life

The Life of Prophet Muhammad: Timeline

Footnotes

  1. A useful English and Western perspective on prophet Muhammad’s biography is found in the Encyclopaedia of Islam.  It is a lengthy article, but here is what it says about the sources behind prophet Muhammad’s biography,

    The earliest attempts to report events of Muhammad’s life could hardly be called biographies in the modern sense.  They include what are called maghazi works that treat Muhammad’s military expeditions and campaigns, which from an early date were merged with sira works that sought to preserve stories about the Prophet, tafsir writings that sought to preserve traditional interpretations of verses of the Kuran, and eventually hadith accounts that sought to preserve sayings of and about Muhammad.  Early works in all these categories contain what can be classified as mutawatir (handed down successively) or mashhur (well-known or widely known) material that was transmitted by oral tradition for generations before it was written down. None of these types of writings in its early forms, including the maghazi and sira works, had as its purpose the recording of the life of Muhammad.  Each report or story must thus be evaluated in terms of its purpose, and as many versions of the same story and similar stories as possible need to be consulted, since most of the accounts occur in numerous, often widely differing forms.

    The most widely used sources for the life of Muhammad, in addition to the Kuran, date from the 3rd and 4th centuries of the Islamic era. Among these the most highly respected is the Maghazi or Sira of Ibn Ishak (d. 151/768), which is not extant in its original form, but has been preserved in at least two recensions, one by Ibn Hisham (d. 218/833) that is widely used, and another by Yunus b. Bukayr (d. 199/814-15) that exists only in manuscript form (for a description and summary of the contents of Yunus’s  recension, see Alfred Guillaume, New light on the life of Muhammad, Manchester n.d.). We also have extensive quotations from Ibn Ishak’s work, including sections that Ibn Hisham and Yunus b. Bukayr omitted, in historical works that cover much more than just the life of the Prophet. Among these the most valuable is the Ta’rikh al-rusul wa ‘l- mulåk by al- •abarÊ (d. 310/922-3), which contains other material on the life of Muhammad, notably reports from Urwa b. al-Zubayr (d. 94/712-13), a very early source. Alfred Guillaume has provided an English translation of an attempted reconstruction of Ibn Ishak’s work, produced largely by translating what Ibn Hisham reports from Ibn Ishak, adding quotations from the latter that are included by al-Tabari (mainly the material that Ibn Hisham omitted) and placing Ibn Hisham’s comments on Ibn Ishak’s work in the back of the translation in a section called “Ibn Hisham’s Notes”.  These page numbers suggest that Ibn Hisham’s comments constitute about 15% of his recension of Ibn Ishak’s ‘s work, but it should be kept in mind that he may have omitted this amount or more of the original. After Ibn Ishak’s  work the sources most widely used are the Maghazi by al-Wakidi (d. 207/822-3), which is often criticised by Muslim writers who claim that the author is unreliable, and the Kitab al-Tabakat al-kabir by al-Wakidi’s secretary, Ibn Sa’d (d. 230/844-5), who appears to be more highly respected than his employer.

    Other useful sources for the life of Muhammad include the Sahih by al-Bukhari  (d. 256/870), the Sahih by Muslim (d. 261/875), and the Musnad by Ahmad b. Hanbal (d. 241/855). (“Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam” in Encyclopaedia of Islam) []

  2. The date of prophet Muhammad’s birth is a matter of controversy []
  3. “The Christian ruler of a south Arabian kingdom founded by the Abyssinians, whose name is traditionally associated with the interpretation of q 105, where there is a description of God smiting the People of the Elephant.  Although he is not mentioned in the qurʾānic text, his name is regularly given in the commentary literature. Epigraphic evidence, the writings of the Byzantine military historian Procopius as well as ecclesiastical sources provide independent historical attestation for this figure, but his association with the sūra is limited to Muslim sources, especially historical and exegetical texts.” “The standard account of the Islamic Abraha  may be found in the early pages of Ibn Isḥāq’s Sīra, the most commonly cited biography of the Prophet. It is repeated or summarized in many subsequent commentaries (cf. Ṭabarī, Tafsīr, xxx, 299-303; Ṭūsī, Tibyān, x, 409-11; Rāzī, Tafsīr, xxxii, 96). Read as an extended commentary on q 105, the story forms part of a larger account of Yemeni history in the generations immediately preceding the birth of Muḥammad. Its earliest segment is clearly framed as the annunciation of “an apostle who will bring truth and justice among men of religion and virtue” (Ibn Isḥāq-Guillaume, 6). As his portion of the story unfolds, Abraha  is presented as seizing power of the Abyssinian-controlled territory in the Yemen by a coup and then cleverly defusing the sworn revenge of the Abyssinian ruler, the Negus (al-Najāshī). To mollify him further, Abraha builds a magnificent church in Sanʿāʾ and then pledges to divert Arab pilgrimages to this new sanctuary. Angered by a  Meccan of the tribe of the Banū Kināna who defiles the church  — by defecating in it, according to some exegetes (cf. Rāzī, Tafsīr, xxxii, 96; Qurṭubī, Jāmiʿ, xx, 188) — to prevent its use as a pilgrimage site, Abraha, in turn, vows revenge on the Meccan sanctuary and marches toward the Ka’ba at the head of a vast army.  Abraha’s defeat involves miraculous animals, including an Abyssinian battle elephant that kneels before the Kaʿba and refuses to fight and flocks of birds who rain stones down upon his assembled troops. Variants of this narrative abound, some offering as an additional explanation for Abraha’s advance upon Mecca the destruction of a Christian church in Abyssinia by a cooking fire carelessly abandoned by some Arab traders (Muqātil, Tafsīr, iv, 847; Qummī, Tafsīr, ii, 442-3; Ibn al-Jawzī, Zād, ix, 232; Qurṭubī, Jāmiʿ, xx, 192-5).” “Abraha’s advance upon Mecca acquired additional importance in the Muslim sources as a point of chronological calculation for the birth of Muḥammad.  Dates in pre-Islamic Meccan history were reckoned from the Year of the Elephant(ʿām al-fīl)and the key dates in the life of the Prophet were coordinated with this year. Although Abraha’s invasion and Muḥammad’s birth are often dated to a year equivalent to 570 c.e., the commentators record no unanimity on this matter. Qurṭubī (Jāmiʿ, xx, 194) is representative in presenting sources that equate the Year of the Elephant with that of Muḥammad’s birth  as well as those that place Abraha’s attack 23 or 40 years earlier. Western scholars have also long questioned the accuracy and historical reliability of these chronologies…” (Jane Dammen McAuliffe, “Abraha” Encyclopaedia of the Qurʾān). []

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Allegation: Prophet Muhammad's (SAW) teachings coming from Judeo-Christian Influence



Allegation: Prophet Muhammad's (SAW) teachings coming from Judeo-Christian Influence
(Original Source: http://www.pbuh.us/prophetMuhammad.php?f=Cv_Influence)

JUDEO-CHRISTIAN INFLUENCE INFLUENCE OF JUDEO/CHRISTIAN SOCIETIES AT THE TIME OF PROPHET.
 
The orientalists allege that the Prophet (sal) was subject to the Judeo/Christian influence of his time and that the Quran reflects this influence. It was suggested that Muhammad (sal) had two big problems if he were to embrace Judaism or Christianity. If he becomes a Christian, he would be bringing in the Christian Byzantine regime to Mecca which will not be tolerated by his people in Mecca, and he could not pretend that he know more than the older members and priests of those two religions - Judaism and Christianity. Thus, in both instances, he cannot take the leadership. So the orientalists suggest that Muhammad (sal) decided to reproduce the role of Moses or Jesus, because he could see that "they were men, and what they had done he could do."
 
The orientalists allege that the monotheistic influence was due to Christian and Jewish influence who were present in Makkah and also suggested that there was a monotheist informant from one of those religions. However at a different stage, they also suggested that the Prophet (sal) received from his informants "would be factual knowledge" but the "meaning and interpretation of the facts" came to him "by the usual process of revelation".
 
They suggested that the gradual growth in accuracy of the Quran's narration pertinent to biblical stories is evidence that Muhammad got these stories from some informant.
 
They alleged that the Quran reproduced contemporary errors that were originally found in the Judeo/Christian scriptures.
 
REPLIES
 
The Prophet (sal) was only 12 years old when he met Baheera for a very short period of time on the way to Syria. This very brief meeting is not sufficient to discuss religious doctrines. It is stupid to assume that the young boy can discuss religious doctrines and scriptural prophecy about the coming of the Messenger etc, at this tender age.
 
The orientalists accept a part of this meeting only, but they fail to acknowledge the other, which speak about:
 
Baheera's knowledge concerning the prophecy in the Scriptures regarding the coming of the new prophet;
 
Baheera recognizing the sign of Prophethood in Muhammad (sal); and
 
Baheera asking Abu Talib to take the boy home
 
When confronted with the above information, Muir even tries to explain it as a mistake or as a forgery of a designing monk. In order to downplay the importance of Baheera's recognition of the sign of prophethood, Muir writes a footnote saying that the report is full of absurdities, but later realizing his folly, omits the footnote in subsequent editions without altering the main text.
 
It is common knowledge that a trade caravan traveling in the harsh desert would concentrate their trade in populated areas only and avoid wandering into deserted habitations, ruined townships or empty church assemblies for the sight seeing pleasure of a young boy. Yet Muir suggests that the caravan passed near Petra, Jerash, Ammon and other ruined cities and that these sights influenced the young Muhammad (sal).
 
In Makkah there were only a few Christians of humble social and intellectual status, being either slaves or petty retailers and mostly immigrants. Only one or two original inhabitants of Makkah such as Uthman ibn al Huwairith and Waraqah ibn Nawfal had turned Christians, the former out of personal or political considerations, and the latter as a result of his search for better faith. But the Makkan community had some second- hand knowledge of these two religions of Judaism and Christianity.
 
The question is, would a person like Mohammed's (sal) stature, knowledge and intelligence as suggested by the orientalists, proceed to propound a new religion and challenge the credibility of both the prevailing systems of Judaism and Christianity only on the basis of hearsay and superficial knowledge of them?
 
The orientalists are not consistent in their allegation that:
 
The Prophet (sal) was ambitious and therefore careful enough to avoid the political implications of embracing either Judaism or Christianity; and
 
He was careless enough to institute a new religion based on information picked up from bazaar gossips and Jewish storytellers at wine shops.
 
MONOTHEISTIC INFLUENCE OF JUDEO/CHRISTIANS
 
It is nave to say that Islam is an amalgam of second hand information about Judaism and Christianity with an inkling of Arab elements in it and it is absurd to suggest that the Prophet (sal) was cognizant of the two religious systems.
 
The concept of prophethood, the memory of Ibrahim as a prophet and founder of Kaaba which the Arabs universally cherished, as well as the Abraham's rites of Haj or pilgrimage to the Kaaba were unquestionably pre-Jewish and pre-Christian. Pre-Islamic Arabs independent of any Jewish or Christian influence knew the concept of Allah as the supreme God. The teachings of Ibrahim found haven in Arabia long before the arrival of Judaism or Christianity and the Arabs were already conversant with the word Hanif as the worshipper of One God.
 
The Prophet (Sal) accused the contemporary Arabs, the Jews and the Christians of having deviated from the original teachings of their prophets and of having degenerated into polytheism. He also rejected what they said were the teachings of their scriptures. So he cannot be misconstrued as having conceived the idea of monotheism from the Judeo Christian influence.
 
The Quran does not maintain that it is teaching a new religion. Instead it upholds and revives of the original teachings God has given through all Prophets of all nations. It claims that its teachings are the same as that of Ibrahim, Moses and Jesus and speak about all of them in glowing terms. Since every orientalist agrees on the fact that Muhammad (sal) has not read any of the scriptures, his source of knowledge must be something other than these scriptures.
 
The rejection of biblical teachings about the son or father of the God was rejected even in the Makkan Surahs and long before the migration to Madina. Hence it is not correct to say that these renunciations came about, at the wake of the separation from the Jews and Christians in Madina.
 
It is impossible to get even a glimpse of Monotheism from any amount of observation of Judaism and Christianity in those days. The practices of these two religious groups were steeped in the most debasing corruption and superstitions, which are vastly removed from being model monotheists.
 
The various reform movements in Christianity, particularly the Cluniac Movement, the Iconoclastic Movement and the reformation started by Martin Luther bear testimony to the depth of degradation into which the Christians and Christianity of the day had condescended. In a way, all these reform movements and the subsequent emphasis on monotheism, in spite of an adherence to the doctrines of Trinity and divinity of Christ are, by and large impacts of the uncompromising monotheism enunciated and propagated by Islam. In other words, it was Islam that influenced the revival movements in Christianity.
 
The tradition that the Prophet (sal) heard Quss ibn Saida preach at the Ukaz fair is spurious and discarded as one its narrators Muhammad ibn Hallaj al Lakhmi is a confirmed liar. The suggestion that the Prophet (Sal) learnt from Zayd ub Harithah is discarded on the ground that Zayd came to the Prophet as a little boy and as such could not have taught very much about Christianity to his foster father. Moreover, Zayd was of genuine faith in the mission of the Prophet (sal) and followed him till his death. The allegation that the Prophet (sal) received instruction from Waraqa ibn Nawfal on Christianity is rejected on the ground that, if this information is true, then the Quraishis would have made a very strong point and issue about it. The assertion that the Prophet (sal) is being instructed by a foreigner, is already properly addressed and rebutted by the Quran itself and as such it is not discussed here. If some of the Christians and Jews of Makkah have provided information about former religions, they would not have faith in the Prophet's mission and leadership to become Muslims in the first p.
 
The Makka tortured a number of such converts in order to extort an admission that Mohammad (sal) had obtained help from them. Jabr, one of the victims of oppression when persecuted and tortured to the extreme, gave a significant reply: "It is not I who teaches Muhammad, rather it is he who teaches and guides me." Tafsir - Qurtubi.
 
It is worth noting some of the points raised by Dr. Jamal Badawi, a renowned scholar in Canada in this connection. He says, 'It would be highly imaginary to say that through his occasional chats with Jews and Christians, while busy with his caravan, Muhammad (sal) learned enough about either or both religions to formulate a new powerful and viable religion, a task that defies the collective efforts of scholars for centuries.'
 
Further, the above assertion raises a number of questions. Dr. Jamal Badawi puts forth the following six questions. Why is it, that in spite of the abundance of historical material on Muhammad's life, and in spite of the extensive research on his life for centuries by his severe critics, why was it not possible to discover that mysterious teacher(s) through whom Muhammad (sal) might have learned all that?
 
It is known that Muhammad (sal) was opposed, ridiculed and persecuted for nearly thirteen years by his own contemporaries. With this magnitude of severe enemies, was it not possible for them to prove to the masses that Muhammad's (sal) claim of revelation was sheer fabrication? Was it not possible for them to reveal and name which they alleged to be the human source of sources of his teachings? Even some of his adversaries who made this assertion changed their minds later on and accused him, instead, of magic or of being possessed by evil etc.
 
Muhammad (sal) was raised among his people and every aspect of his life was exposed to them, especially by the openness that characterizes tribal life in the desert. How could the multitudes of his contemporaries, including many of his close relatives who knew him so well, how could they believe in his truthfulness if they had any doubt tht he was claiming credit for ideas taught to him by some other teachers without bothering to give them credit?
 
What kind of teacher might have taught Muhammad (sal) a coherent and complete religion that changed the face of history? Why didn't he or they (if any) speak against the alleged student who continued learning from them, while ignoring them and claiming some other divine source for his teachings?
 
How could many Jews and Christians amongst his contemporaries become Muslims and believe in his truthfulness if they knew that he was copying from their scriptures or learning from their priests or rabbis?
 
It is known that some of the Quranic revelations came to Muhammad (sal) in the presence of people. The Quran was revealed during the span of twenty-three hears, where then was that mysterious perhaps, invisible human teacher of Muhammad (sal)? How could he have hidden himself for so long? Or how could Muhammad (sal) who was constantly surrounded by followers, how was he able to make frequent secret visits to that mysterious teacher or teachers for twenty-three years without being caught even once?
 
GRADUAL GROWTH OF ACCURACY IN THE QURAN
 
The whole teachings of Islam in the Quran such as, the rules and duties are indeed spelt out gradually over a period of 23 years, and the arrangement of Ayahs and Suras revealed are as per the need of the society at the time. A good example is the warning about the intoxicants in the Quran and how it was finally prohibited. The prohibition did not come all of a sudden. The society was first spiritually prepared to accept such a prohibition and when the prohibition came into effect, it was accepted openly and gladly. This may look as a gradual growth in accuracy for some of the orientalists who may make an issue out of it, but it is not so. However, it is worth noticing that some of the orientalists have started to discard this line of thinking.
 
The Quran is not a derivation from the Judeo/Christian scriptures as claimed by the orientalists and as evidenced by the following...
 
SOME INFORMATION GIVEN IN THE QURAN THAT ARE NOT MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE OR OLD TESTAMENT
 
Some of the Prophets mentioned in the Quran i.e. Hud for the Thamud and Salih for the Ad people are not even mentioned in the Bible.
 
Information given in the Quran about Prophet Ibrahim specifically about his teachings on monotheism and the resultant struggle is not found in the Bible.
 
Jesus speaking in the cradle confirming the chastity of his mother, his giving life to the birds made in clay by God's permission, the table descending from heaven.
 
Musa travelling to the "meeting place of two seas".
 
The incident of Pharaoh's plan to kill Musa and that a "believer" in Pharaoh's court dissuaded him from carrying out his plan.
 
Musa striking the 12 springs for each of the Jewish tribe.
 
The magicians in Pharao's court died for their belief in God.
 
Quran contradicts accounts given in the Bible:
 
The angels visiting Ibrahim on their way to Lut;
 
The preaching of Nuh was specifically monotheism according to Quran;
 
Quran categorically denies that concept of trinity and confirm that Jesus was no more than a Prophet - not god, not the son-of-god and not the trinity;
 
Quran categorically states that Jesus was not crucified nor killed;
 
Quran states that all the prophets are noble men sent by Allah and clears all of the prophets from evil intention or evil actions, as against what can be found in the bible.
 
Quran testifies that all the prophets of God were sincere to their mission for which they were sent by God, and never betrayed their mission as suggested in the bible such as Moses, Haroun, or sinned as in the case of Lut, David, Solomon and others.
 
MORE DETAILS ARE GIVEN IN THE QURAN AS COMPARED TO THE BIBLE
 
1. Incidents relating to Prophet Nuh
 
2. Mary being asked to pray to Allah - implying that Mary is a human being who require the mercy of God
 
3. The whole story of Yoosuf (ala) delivered in a spiritual atmosphere with more details of his life, that is not found in the bible
 
It is true that some of the historical incidents are mentioned in the bible and the Quran, but this does not mean that the Quran picked them from these sources. Instead it is a confirmation of the events of the past but looking at them with a clear vision. There was no good library or museum in Makkah in the first place and the Prophet (sal) could not read or write. There were no scholars and philologists in that place to unravel the secrets of ancient work to the would be Prophet (sal).
 
While casually recognizing that there are new elements in the Quran, the orientalists did seem to have never paid attention to find out the sources of these elements. If they had done so, the orientalists would surely have found reason to see that the assumptions under which they have hitherto been laboring so diligently and impressively need revision.




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Was Muhammed a false prophet?: A Christian assessment

Was Muhammed a false prophet?: A Christian assessment

Postby Elisha Kai on Sat May 05, 2007 1:22 pm

My whole point of referening to the Satanic verses in relation to the topic of Muhammad's reference in the Bible in another thread, was to point two reasons why Christians are unable to accept the prophethood of Muhammad; I pointed out:

1. False prophecy:

It matters not whether one prophecy or several are fulfilled but if one proves false; then he is a false prophet and should be rejected as a tool of God. I wish we applied this rule to todays prophets too.

You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord? If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18: 21-22)'


2. Promotion of other gods:

Deuteronomy makes this clear, any prophet who ever encourages worship of other gods is not sent from God, even though all his prophecies have come true in a miracolous way; in this case God was simply testing the obedience of the people.

If a prophet or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miracolous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes places, and he says: 'lets follow other gods, and let us worship them', you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love Him with all your heart and with all your soul (Deuteronomy 13: 1-3)


But there are other reasons why Christians are not to believe in Muhammad's prophethood:

3. Muhammad's teachings does not cohere with the previous revelations

Jesus in Matthew 7 clearly commands the believer to test every prophet by his or her fruits; Muhammad despite much goodness engaged in things which did not suite a prophet a seen in the light of the ethics of the New Kingdom proclaimed and inaugurated by Jesus Christ.

Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognise them... (Matthew 7: 15-16)


The Kingdom of God as inaugurated by Jesus, does not resort to weapons, invasion, slavery, rape of female captives.

About the use weapons for the cause of God's Kingdom:

'Put your sword back in its place', Jesus said to him, 'for all who draw the sword will die by the sword (Matthew 26: 52)'


See also Revelation 13: 9-10:

He who has an ear, let him hear. If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.


Praise God, in the first three century of the Christian era, Christianity flourished over the entire Roman world and emptied the pagan temples not by sword, but by life-style, proclamation and the power of God (see the writings of Pliny the Younger); if they died or suffered they welcomed it, as Tertullian once stated, the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church.

In Luke 22: 35-38 he orders the disciples to possess swords, however in verse two swords are sufficient and in verses 49-51 it is clarified that these swords are not meant for violent purposes; in fact scholars have pointed out that these swords had the lengt of a bread knife and were for practical purposes only.

Furthermore, the Gospel sets the captives free, Jesus in Luke 4: 18-19 proclaimed:

'The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favour'.


In 1 Timothy 1: 10-11 slave trading is banned as it does not conform to the teachings and ethics of the Gospel:

for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God...


In Colossians 3: 19 womens are free from the oppression of men:

Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them


In Islam this is quite a different matter:

Men are allowed to keep female slaves and engage in sex with them:

"...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them..." (Sura 23: 5-6)

"And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you (Sura 4: 24).


Ali raped a female captive and Muhammade commended him saying that Ali deserved much more than the right to rape a girl from the city they had just invaded:

Narrated Buraida: The prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (part of the war booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, "Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)? When we reached the prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, "O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?" I said, "Yes." He said, "Do you hate him for he deserves more than that from the Khumus." (Sahih Bukhari, vol.5, #637)


This is enough consider the words of Jesus Christ in Matthew 7 and conclude that Muhammad is not prophet of God.

And how about the female captives raped on the battlefield, while the Muslims were concerned about impregnating them, Muhammad encouraged them to go the whole way and rape them properly.

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri that during the battle with Bani Al-Mustaliq they (Muslims) captured some females and intended to have sexual relations with them without impregnating them. So they asked the prophet about coitus interruptus. The prophet said, "It is better that you should not do it, for Allah has written whom He is going to create till the Day of Resurrection". (Sahih Bukhari, vol.9, #506) (further reference Bukhari 5: 459)


in Abu Dawud these Muslims rape the females in front of their husbands, sons, fathers, brothers; in other words the Muslims have invaded and captivated females and males:

Abu Said al-Khudri said: "The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto your save those (captives) whom your right hand possesses". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period."" [The Quran verse is 4:24]. (Sunan of Abu Dawud, vol.2, #2150)


The true kingdom of God is all about setting the captives free, about transforming societies into the Kingdom of God; we do not see that happen here

There is simply nothing here that points to a prophet of God according to the standard of Jesus Christ.

The Kingdom of God sets the captives free, its spreads by love, holy living, right conduct, faithfulness to God and the proclamation of the message.

Much of this is not wholy comparative with the Qur'an and the teachings and conduct of Islam and Muhammad: he did invade, take captives (in contrast to the nature of God's Kingdom), he did oppress women, females were beaten and raped.

The Kingdom of God does not approve of polygamy:

Read Matthew 19: 1-6 on Jesus teaching on the matter

In 1 Timothy 3 Paul commands that leaders must have only one wife; many converts became Christian when they had several wives, while Paul does not order these to keep one and separate from the rest, he does set a new rule to the leaders, those who would lead the church by example, that rule included one wife only.

In Islam the males were permitted four wives and concubines:

"...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them..." (Sura 23: 5-6)

"And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you (Sura 4: 24).


The fact that Muhammad himself was given a special privilige to engage with as many women and wives he wanted, proves something to seriously wrong with the foundation of Islam.

How about politic?

Christianity grew by peace, by proclamation and lifestyle, reading Matthew 28 and Colossians 2 and 1 Thessalonians 1.

In Islam invasion was inevitable:

9:29 "Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and his apostle nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued


In fact this passage reveals that those who were different minded from Islam in anyway where to be killed, invaded and suppressed

How about general respect for humanity in Christianity:

One only needs to read the words of Jesus about loving the enemy in Matthew 5: 38-48

In Islam this does not apply either:

In Sura: 9:28 the pagans are considered unclean and not worthy to approach the sacred mosque:

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O ye who believe! Truly the pagans are unclean, so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.?.


wow, in the Bible Jesus would sit with these people, whom others considered unclean; in Matthew 28 Christians are to befriend them and help them see the light, in Matthew 5 we are to engage with them, where they need us. In 1 Corinthians 12 they are welcomed into our churches.

In Sura 5:54 Muslims are not permitted to even befriend Jews and Christians:

"O ye who believe. Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."


In Fiqh-us-Sunnah, Fiqh 4.75a, we see the difficulty of this separation and hatred:

A non-Muslim Woman who Dies while Carrying a Child by a Muslim is to be Buried in a Separate Grave

Al-Baihaqi reported from Wathilah bin al-Asqa' that he buried a Christian woman bearing the child of a Muslim in a cemetery that belonged to neither Muslims nor Christians. Ahmad supports this opinion because he says that the woman being a disbeliever, cannot be buried in a cemetery of Muslims, for they would suffer because of her punishment, nor can she be buried in a Christian cemetery because her fetus, which is a Muslim, would suffer by their punishment.


In Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 9.50, we read: Narrated by Abu Juhaifa: ?and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for killing a Kafir (disbeliever)."

I asked 'Ali "Do you have anything Divine literature besides what is in the Qur'an?" Or, as Uyaina once said, "Apart from what the people have?" 'Ali said, "By Him Who made the grain split (germinate) and created the soul, we have nothing except what is in the Qur'an and the ability (gift) of understanding Allah's Book which He may endow a man with, and what is written in this sheet of paper." I asked, "What is on this paper?" He replied, "The legal regulations of Diya (Blood-money) and the (ransom for) releasing of the captives, and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for killing a Kafir (disbeliever)."
Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 2745


Narrated by Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As
The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) said: ...A believer shall not be killed for an unbeliever, nor a confederate within the term of confederation with him.


In other words a Muslim cannot be punished for murdering a non-Muslim

I do not claim that everything in Islam is evil, far from it; but there is a dark side to it, and that dark side, in the light of the Christian Scripture is seen for what it is, it testifies that Islam cannot derive from the same source and nature as Christianity and the Kingdom.

Therefore:

Are we really to assume and believe that this is God's true and final religion?

Are we really to believe that the originator of this religion is a true prophet of God?

No offence Muslims, you demand of us to accept the prophethood of Muhammad, and we Christians have to assess that possibility; this post was an assessment.
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Do you judge by reality or by an ideal?

Postby nasr on Mon May 07, 2007 4:17 am

Your accusations of false prophecy and promotion of other gods are based on fabricated stories transmitted by those who do not stand up to the test of trustworthiness and truthfulness. As Christians have rejected Gnostism and heretical teaching about Jesus, Muslims also reject these spurious reports as aberrations inconsistent with the Quran and Sahih Hadith.

Your charge that Muhammad's teachings do not cohere with the previous scriptures is partly true only because your Bible does not 'cohere' with itself:

The use weapons for the cause of God's Kingdom

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword... (Mat. 10.33)

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one... (Luke 22.36)

Taking captives as wives

When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, and seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife... and after that thou shalt go in unto her... (Deut. 22.11)

David and his men... had taken the women captives, that were therein: they slew not any, either great or small, but carried them away... (1 Samuel 30.2)

Men's oppression of women

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law... for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. (1 Corinthians 14.35)

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (1 Timothy 2.12)


Apparently there is more than one face of Christianity, that of your Bible and that which has been practiced for the past two thousand years. Oppression and war did not end with the Christian era nor did Christians attempt to abolish slavery until the 18th Century. Christian women were not allowed to own or inherit property, not allowed to vote, hold office or even testify in a court of law:

It is true that the Quran has instructed the believers dealing in financial transactions to get two male witnesses or one male and two females (2:282). However, it is also true that the Quran in other situations accepts the testimony of a woman as equal to that of a man...

On the other hand, women were not allowed to bear witness in early Jewish society. [Leonard J. Swidler, Women in Judaism: the Status of Women in Formative Judaism (Metuchen, N.J: Scarecrow Press, 1976) p. 115.] The Rabbis counted women's not being able to bear witness among the nine curses inflicted upon all women because of the Fall ("Eve's Legacy"). Women in today's Israel are not allowed to give evidence in Rabbinical courts...

In the Christian West, both ecclesiastical and civil law debarred women from giving testimony until late last century.

Women in Islam Verses Women in the Judeo-Christian Tradition By Dr. Sherif Abdel Azeem


General respect for humanity

In the Quran and Hadith there are many instructions to deal justly with slaves, captives, women, Christians and Jews yet there is very little mentioned of these subjects in your Bible. General respect for humanity arose from the more secular voices of Europe and America while traditional Christians opposed them. Even within the past few decades racist and discriminatory behavior was tolerated more widely in Bible Belt America than in the more secular and liberal areas. In my opinion, our modern American ideals of freedom and human rights came from men like Thomas Jefferson and John Adams who paved the way towards a more secular society in defiance of traditional Christianity.

If a person is satisfied with the modern Christian doctrine it does not matter how much evidence we present in support of Muhammad as a true prophet of God, Christians will inevitably find fault with it and reject it. It is God alone Who guides us or leaves us without guidance, as it will always be our free choice. But a question I put forth to you: Do you judge by reality or by an ideal that is yet to be proven? When will Christianity bring peace and justice on this earth?
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Postby John 10:10 on Mon May 07, 2007 12:37 pm

nasr writes,
When will Christianity bring peace and justice on this earth?


When the Lord Jesus returns as is declared in Zechariah 14,

1 Behold, a day is coming for the LORD when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you.
2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle.
4 In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.
5 You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!
6 In that day there will be no light; the luminaries will dwindle.
7 For it will be a unique day which is known to the LORD, neither day nor night, but it will come about that at evening time there will be light.
8 And in that day living waters will flow out of Jerusalem, half of them toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea; it will be in summer as well as in winter.
9 And the LORD will be king over all the earth; in that day the LORD will be the only one, and His name the only one.


Peace and justice will certainly not come to this earth through Islam.
John 14:6, "I (Jesus) am the Way (of life), the Truth (of life), and the Life (of life). No man comes to the Father (God) but by Me."
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Postby Elisha Kai on Tue May 08, 2007 2:01 pm

Nasr wrote:

Your accusations of false prophecy and promotion of other gods are based on fabricated stories transmitted by those who do not stand up to the test of trustworthiness and truthfulness.


Elisha Kai replies:

As we have already pointed out, these stories were conveyed to us by Islamic biographers, who had them transmitted by earlier Muslims; the Hadiths and the Qur?an provide significant indications to the plausibility of these stories:

Nasr wrote:

As Christians have rejected Gnostism and heretical teaching about Jesus, Muslims also reject these spurious reports as aberrations inconsistent with the Quran and Sahih Hadith.


Elisha Kai replies:

That is not correct; Muslims frequently refer to Gnosticism to prove their case, references to the Apocalyptise of Peter and the Gospel of Judas are just two examples. Answering-Christianity has used the Apocalypse of Peter to prove the Qur?ani description. Both are in agreement with the Qur?an that Jesus was not crucified nor killed but so it appeared to them; here even the Qur?an is in agreement with Gnosticism; Gnostics believed that Christ was divine and entered the world as a spirit and possessed a human body (Jesus); when it was time to crucify Christ, Christ, the divine Spirit left the body and left the poor and ignorant and newly awoken Jesus to die on the cross; everyone thought that Christ had died but they were utterly decived; this is why Gnostics do not focus on a virgin birth, since in Gnosticism it never occurred; here the Qur?an depends upon the tradition of Luke; but gnostics focused on the anointing at Jesus baptism when the divine Spirit of Christ possessed him;

interestingly the fact that the Qur?an only refers to Christ and not Jesus simply verifies that the Qur?an is depended upon Gnostic sources.

Nasr wrote:

Your charge that Muhammad's teachings do not cohere with the previous scriptures is partly true only because your Bible does not 'cohere' with itself:

The use weapons for the cause of God's Kingdom
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword... (Mat. 10.33)


Elisha Kai replies:

I think we need to look at the context here; Muslims frequently use this passage with considering what Jesus really applies to his disciples:

Nasr posted:

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one... (Luke 22.36)


Elisha Kai replies:

Again this is one of the passage frequently posted by Muslims to provide proof that Christianity does engage in physical war.
Why can?t Muslims provide verses from the New Testament like we find int the Qur?an:

Kill those who do not believe, take their country, their properties are yours, etc; like we find in the Qur?an

Yet in the passage Jesus simply tells them to buy a sword, that is all, no mention of war, killing, not even self-protection; but lets look at the passage in its context:

The passage from Matthew 10 about the sword, well you can look at the entire chapter, Jesus does state that he has come to bring a sword; yet what kind of sword?

There is no reference to Christians engaging in violence against others; on the contrary the passage refers to how Christianity will divide families and communities as Christianity, or the followers of Jesus will be hated for their faith; the sword refers to this division, after all swords divide; nothing in the passage describes however Christians in reference to hating, killing, or persecuting; hence to read into the passage that Christianity is a military religion is not an honest approach, furthermore nothing in the further context of the Gospels or the New Testament would back such a notion up.

In Lukes Gospel, and Luke writes to Greek and clarifies into their understanding what Jesus said; he writes:

?Do you think that I have come to bring peace on earth? No I tell you, but division?? (Luke 12: 51)


As to your reference to Luke 22 and the two swords, I can only repeat my previous post on this thread; Jesus does not encourage them to fight; the disicples buy two swords, the Greek here refers to small swords more likely knives; so they have two small knives, which Jesus states is sufficient, and when the use of force is potential, Jesus rebukes them; I simply don?t see how that passage is a reference to Christianity being a violent religion.

In Islam however, this is not the case:

9:29 Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.


What is all this:

Fight those who do
not believe
not forbid
not acknowledge

I would say this passage smells of intolerance; simply destroy or subjugate everyone who thinks differently.

That is not an indication to Islam being peace!

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Taking captives as wives

When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, and seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife... and after that thou shalt go in unto her... (Deut. 22.11)

David and his men... had taken the women captives, that were therein: they slew not any, either great or small, but carried them away... (1 Samuel 30.2)


Elisha Kai replies:

First and foremost, I was looking at Islam from a Christian point of view, namely the Christian Scripture, the New Testament. Christianity is not followiing Moses, neither are we situationally nor culturally nor timewise based in the situation of ancient Israel, in which the Mosaic Law dominated, seeking to keep order in a state of chaos. True though some ethical aspects of the Mosaic Law still dominate.

Furthermore, Deuteronomy 22: 11 is in no way in analogy to the subject; Islam similarly to ancient Israel applied the rule to kill the males and permit women and children to survive (unless of course it was a full launch of God?s wrath or part full). As I pointed out from various passages in the Qur?an and the Hadiths, these women ended up like sex-slaves and concubines; many of these were even raped on the battlefield prior to enslavery under full consent of Muhammad.

These Muslims warriors much like in Deuteronomy 22 desired women, yet marriage and responsibility was not an issue; they brutally raped these women.

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri that while he was sitting with Allah's messenger we said,

"Oh Allah's messenger, we got female captives as our booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence." (Sahih Bukhari, vol.3: 432)


Now this passage you are bringing up reveals a totally different manner, namely that female captives under the Mosaic Law were not raped, neither were they engaged in sex unless the actually married.

This was not the typical norm in Islam, Ali raped a slave girl outside marriage and Muhammad approved of it.

Narrated Buraida: The prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (part of the war booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, "Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)? When we reached the prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, "O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?" I said, "Yes." He said, "Do you hate him for he deserves more than that from the Khumus." (Sahih Bukhari, vol.5, #637)


You will not find similar things occuring and being acceptable under the ethics of the Mosaic Law; here the Mosaic Law presents itself much purer and humane than Islam.

As to 1 Samuel 30: 2 its of no significance as the occurance is narrative not Law (those who criticise the Bible need to learn this factor; what people do in the Old Testament is not necessarily in line with what the Old Testament teaches us about holy conduct); David did a lot of mistakes; however in this passage we do not read of any rape; most probably the obeyed the Mosaic Law at this point which required marriage prior to sexual activity; if they broke that rule, they broke the Law of God, it does not undermine the Biblical teaching then, not even the Torah---its as simple as that.

Nasr wrote:

Men's oppression of women
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law... for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. (1 Corinthians 14.35)
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (1 Timothy 2.12)


Elisha Kai replies:

Even though Paul teaches men to take the leading role in churches and marriage, we are not looking at oppression; there is no verse in the New Testament, stating that women are of lesser value or should be beaten or starved if not obedient or end up in hell since they are not satisfied. They are not told to cover their faces, remain in their homes, cover the windows; there is no fear of a husband divorcing her, bringing home a second wife or having sex with a concubine; yeah Christian males are encouraged to have leading roles, men are encouraged to be men, but good men, good husbands, good fathers, good sons, good workers, good leaders and good spokesmen, however there is no word about oppression; do you see my point.

Now lets look at the text

Most scholars see these texts as ambiguous as the Epistles are letters to churches instructing them to deal with their own local, personal and specific problems; only Paul and the recipients know about the issues. 1.Cor.14: 35 is such a text; it contradicts church practice elsewhere such as 1 Corinthians 11 in which women are permitted to speak, such as praying loud and prophecying; prophecying was significant, and this is what makes Bible scholars believe that 1 Cor.14: 35 if referring to a specific issue in the church of Corinth. Some have suggested that women in the church, perhaps according to cultural aspects used to chatter and interupt. Certainly, it does not in the light of chapter 11 refer to church any roles within the church administration or communication; hence the possibility seems to be that of not sitting quiet while the church service takes place. This is highly possible since, the cultures tended to keep women in the homes and seperated from the outside society; which lead the church services to become the only place of women communicating to women; that might have been one of the causes why this particular problem in Corinth came up.

A similar problem was found in the church in Ephesus; seems that women refrained from marriage (1 Timothy 4) which lead them into trouble. Which is why the text of 1 Timothy 2 urges women to submit and to find their places as mothers and wives. The context of 1 Timothy 2 looks at women saving themselves (probably from disgrace; salvation refers to more than salvation from hell) through having children; in other words marriage and family; Paul is always concerned about men and women being busy and being occupied.
However, looking at 1 Timothy 2 as a passage that supresses women is overstating the matter; submission is a rule for everyone in the church (1 Peter 5) and every member, man or women is to submit to the church leadership (1 Thessalonians 5). Furthermore, preaching and teaching was not a matter for every male, but for those called, gifted and whose life had proven worthy (1 Timothy 3) (1 Peter 5); hence matter of being silence and submitting is described to every age and gender.

In Islam this differs slightly much:

"Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great." (Sura 4: 34)


Here is according to my understanding the background to the passage, according to early Muslims:

"A women complained to Muhammad that her husband slapped her on the face, (which was still marked by the slap). At first the prophet said to her: "Get even with him", but then added: "Wait until I think about it". Later on, Allah supposedly revealed 4:34 to Muhammad, after which the prophet said: "We wanted one thing but Allah wanted another, and what Allah wanted is best". [To beat your wife is best.] (At-Tafsir al-Kabir" on 4:34)


Here is Muhammad using violence upon Aisha:

SAHIH MUSLIM Book 004, #2127:

?When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'Aisha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you??


More examples of violence against women:

SAHIH MUSLIM Book 009, #3506:

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: Abu Bakr came and sought permission to see Allah's Messenger. He found people sitting at his door and none amongst them had been granted permission, but it was granted to Abu Bakr and he went in. Then came 'Umar and he sought permission and it was granted to him, and he found Allah's Apostle sitting sad and silent with his wives around him. He (Hadrat 'Umar) said: I would say something which would make the Holy Prophet laugh, so he said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter of Kharija when she asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah's Messenger laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money. Abu Bakr then got up went to 'Aisha and slapped her on the neck, and 'Umar stood up before Hafsa and slapped her saying: You ask Allah's Messenger which he does not possess. They said: By Allah, we do not ask Allah's Messenger for anything he does not possess?.



Tabari IX:113 ?Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur?an.?


Here is another interesting one:

SAHIH BUKHARI Vol. 7, #132

"Narrated Zam'a, "The prophet said, "None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day."""


Here Silas analyzis wife beating and the value of women in Islam:

http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Sila ... eating.htm

Another article dealing with the whole aspect of women in Islam:

http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Auth ... op_ten.htm

Having said this, there are many passages in the Qur'an and the Hadith that present a positive picture of women and marriage in Islam; however, as I stated in the first post, that is not a problem, we happily consent with the good things in Islam; it is the dark side that bother us who are Christians.

Nasr wrote:

Apparently there is more than one face of Christianity, that of your Bible and that which has been practiced for the past two thousand years. Oppression and war did not end with the Christian era nor did Christians attempt to abolish slavery until the 18th Century. Christian women were not allowed to own or inherit property, not allowed to vote, hold office or even testify in a court of law:


Elisha Kai replies:

I will again encourage you to read Christian history; true Christianity is not political and unfortunately the church that emerged after Constantine was completely corrupt and political, the masses joined the church without conversion, without a change of mind and character and without a change of lifestyle.

Many of these decided to take baptism the movement they died to retain their sinful conduct through-out life; this totally contradicts Christianity; you can read about all this in the church history (may I suggest the History of the Christian church by Schaff, volumes 2 and 3; much reading by informative and may indeed clear up all these misunderstandings). What I am trying to say is: there is only one face of Christianity, the one that reflects the mind and life of Jesus, anything else is a distoration, and political Christianity within the national church has often been distortions.

You need to judge Christianity of from the new Testament:

Not kill (1 John 3: 15)
Not hate (Matthew 5: 43-48) (1 John 3: 7-19)
Not revenge (Ephesus 4: 31-32)
Not enslave (Luke 4) (1 Timothy 1: 10)

True Christians can only be recognised from their lifestyle, not their proclamation; this is what the New Testament states:

This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother (1 John 3: 10)


So that is how we recognise a through Christian; and then I am not sure whether every Christian member of this forum considers himself a Christian; but that is a Christian.

Furthermore, how can a Christian recognise that he is a Christian:

Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth; this then is how we know that we belong to the truth (1 John 3: 18-19)


As I said, there is only who face of Christianity, and if another face shows up that diverges from the nature of true Christianity it needs to be seen in the light of Scripture as apostate.

As to your reference to oppression and slavery

The Christians in the first centuries battled slavery, even the Catolich church, from the earliest times banned slavery; Again I suggest that you read early Church history.

Slavery was not caused by the Christian church but by governments, warriors, pirates and you name it. Some of these may have called themselves Christians, but look at their lifestyle, probably a range of them had no belief anyway; consider the famous, John Newton, I suggest you read his biography; he was an active slave trader, he was Westerner, but not a believer; later he did convert in to Christianity and battled slavery until his death; in fact Christians in Europe and America were those who actively battled this evil practice.

But again how about Islam:

We see slavery in the Qur?an and the Hadiths

It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise (Sura 8: 67)


It is not for a believer to kill a believer unless (it be) by mistake. He who hath killed a believer by mistake must set free a believing slave, and pay the blood-money to the family of the slain, unless they remit it as a charity. If he (the victim) be of a people hostile unto you, and he is a believer, then (the penance is) to set free a believing slave. And if he cometh of a folk between whom and you there is a covenant, then the blood-money must be paid unto his folk and (also) a believing slave must be set free. And whoso hath not the wherewithal must fast two consecutive months. A penance from Allah. Allah is Knower, Wise (Sura 4: 92).


Volume 1, Book 8, Number 367:
Narrated 'Abdul 'Aziz:
Anas said, 'When Allah's Apostle invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer there yearly in the morning) when it was still dark. The Prophet rode and Abu Talha rode too and I was riding behind Abu Talha. The Prophet passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the Prophet . He uncovered his thigh and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of the Prophet. When he entered the town, he said, 'Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach near a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned.' He repeated this thrice. The people came out for their jobs and some of them said, 'Muhammad (has come).' (Some of our companions added, "With his army.") We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, 'O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.' The Prophet said, 'Go and take any slave girl.' He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet and said, 'O Allah's Apostles! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraiza and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.' So the Prophet said, 'Bring him along with her.' So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet saw her, he said to Dihya, 'Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.' Anas added: The Prophet then manumitted her and married her."


And Allah hath favoured some of you above others in provision. Now those who are more favoured will by no means hand over their provision to those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, so that they may be equal with them in respect thereof. Is it then the grace of Allah that they deny? (Sura 16: 71)


Here is what a Scholars of al-Azhar in Egypt has to say about Islam and slavery

In his book, "You Ask and Islam Answers", Dr. 'Abdul-Latif Mushtahari, the general supervisor and director of homiletics and guidance at the Azhar University, says (pp. 51,52),
"Islam does not prohibit slavery but retains it for two reasons. The first reason is war (whether it is a civil war or a foreign war in which the captive is either killed or enslaved) provided that the war is not between Muslims against each other - it is not acceptable to enslave the violators, or the offenders, if they are Muslims. Only non-Muslim captives may be enslaved or killed. The second reason is the sexual propagation of slaves which would generate more slaves for their owner."
The text is plain that all prisoners of war must either be killed or become slaves. The ancient scholars are in full agreement over this issue, such as Ibn Timiyya, Ibn Hisham, Malik etc. Ibn Timiyya says (Vol. 32, p. 89),


Again, as with the issue on women in ISlam an Christianity, there are of many verses in the Qur?an that command good treatment of slaves and the freedom of slaves and this simply agrees with the Mosaic Law and slavery. Yet these are not the passages that bother us, we as Christians agree and encourage Muslims to follow those good and positive guidances of conduct.
Yet as I stated earlier there is a negative and dark side of Islam that bothers us and that concerns us, obviously since our Christians sisters and brother in Muslim countries are loosing their rights and freedom to be forced into slavery, since the Qur'an permits this practice.


We see also slavery thriving in Islamic countries at the present:

A good article on Islam and modern slavery; here even Muslims speak out against the practice of slavery (I refuse to categorize all Muslims):

http://members.aol.com/casmasalc/africa ... trade.html

I know that Christian organisations are working hard to end the slavery of Christians and animists in Sudan; I know that they have succeeded in buying slaves into freedom, as many as 70.000; they also insist that there are at least 300.000 Christian and animist slaves still in bondage in Sudan.
Here is an article that reveals criticism to the attempt to buy slaves into freedom:

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/33/167.html

Indeed slavery thrieves in Muslim countries even today

well

Jesus had no slaves, neither had Paul, the first Christians included slaves into their family (letter to Philemon)

So this whole idea about two faces of Christianity and the inclusion of ideas and institutions that totally contradict the Christian faith sinks.

Nasr wrote:

It is true that the Quran has instructed the believers dealing in financial transactions to get two male witnesses or one male and two females (2:282). However, it is also true that the Quran in other situations accepts the testimony of a woman as equal to that of a man...

On the other hand, women were not allowed to bear witness in early Jewish society. [Leonard J. Swidler, Women in Judaism: the Status of Women in Formative Judaism (Metuchen, N.J: Scarecrow Press, 1976) p. 115.] The Rabbis counted women's not being able to bear witness among the nine curses inflicted upon all women because of the Fall ("Eve's Legacy"). Women in today's Israel are not allowed to give evidence in Rabbinical courts...

In the Christian West, both ecclesiastical and civil law debarred women from giving testimony until late last century.

Women in Islam Verses Women in the Judeo-Christian Tradition By Dr. Sherif Abdel Azeem


Elisha Kai replies:

Where does the Qur?an state that the testimony of a women is equal to that of a man; not because I intend to patrionize you, but I would like to see the passage.

You seem to fuse together Judaism with the religon of YHWH; the rabbis and their Talmud is not the word of God, but the tradition of man; Jesus condemned the teachings of the elders, in other words the Talmud and what modern Judaism typically stands for.

You also seem to mix between the effect of Christianity in the West and Greek culture. Greek culture was typically anti-women, and unfortunately Christian leaders in the fourth century and earlier were deeply effected by their cultural mindset. Christianity does not undermine or suppress women; it places men and women in their own places and encourages them to fulfill their responsibilities.

Hence Abdel Azeem may well condemn the Western society and even Judaism, but not the Christian faith; but then I suggest Azeem also to consider his own faith (Islam) since the undermining of women in Islam is far greater and more damaging than in Judaism, in the Western culture and in the verses in 1 Corinth and 1 Timothy.

Nasr wrote:

General respect for humanity

In the Quran and Hadith there are many instructions to deal justly with slaves, captives, women, Christians and Jews yet there is very little mentioned of these subjects in your Bible. General respect for humanity arose from the more secular voices of Europe and America while traditional Christians opposed them. Even within the past few decades racist and discriminatory behavior was tolerated more widely in Bible Belt America than in the more secular and liberal areas. In my opinion, our modern American ideals of freedom and human rights came from men like Thomas Jefferson and John Adams who paved the way towards a more secular society in defiance of traditional Christianity.

If a person is satisfied with the modern Christian doctrine it does not matter how much evidence we present in support of Muhammad as a true prophet of God, Christians will inevitably find fault with it and reject it. It is God alone Who guides us or leaves us without guidance, as it will always be our free choice. But a question I put forth to you: Do you judge by reality or by an ideal that is yet to be proven? When will Christianity bring peace and justice on this earth?


Elisha Kai

Well it nothing but pleases me if Muslims and secularist are working for freedom and justice. Unfortunately I don?t know American history, I cannot comment on the Bible belt.

I think however I have proven my case here; I believe this assessment is sufficient guidance, at least to expose a dangerous factor in the world society, namely that of Islam.
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Re: Was Muhammed a false prophet?: A Christian assessment

Postby relaxjack on Tue May 22, 2007 2:48 am

Elisha Kai wrote:why Christians are unable to accept the prophethood of Muhammad; I pointed out:

1. False prophecy:

It matters not whether one prophecy or several are fulfilled but if one proves false; then he is a false prophet and should be rejected as a tool of God. I wish we applied this rule to todays prophets too.

You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord? If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18: 21-22)'

What are the prophecies of Muhammad (pbuh) that are not fulfilled? Starnge, you gave a bold title of 'false prophecy' but did not explain how that is related to the Muhammad (pbuh).

Elisha Kai wrote:2. Promotion of other gods:

Deuteronomy makes this clear, any prophet who ever encourages worship of other gods is not sent from God, even though all his prophecies have come true in a miracolous way; in this case God was simply testing the obedience of the people.

If a prophet or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miracolous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes places, and he says: 'lets follow other gods, and let us worship them', you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love Him with all your heart and with all your soul (Deuteronomy 13: 1-3)

God told Muhammad (pbuh) that we should pray to the same God, the God of Abraham, Issac, Ishmael and Jacob. What 'other gods' are you referring to?
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Re: Was Muhammed a false prophet?: A Christian assessment

Postby relaxjack on Tue May 22, 2007 7:10 am

Elisha Kai wrote:The Kingdom of God as inaugurated by Jesus, does not resort to weapons, invasion, slavery, rape of female captives.

About the use weapons for the cause of God's Kingdom:

'Put your sword back in its place', Jesus said to him, 'for all who draw the sword will die by the sword (Matthew 26: 52)'


See also Revelation 13: 9-10:

He who has an ear, let him hear. If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

Interesting. Why then did Jesus asked his disciples to purchase swords?


Elisha Kai wrote:In Luke 22: 35-38 he orders the disciples to possess swords, however in verse two swords are sufficient and in verses 49-51 it is clarified that these swords are not meant for violent purposes; in fact scholars have pointed out that these swords had the lengt of a bread knife and were for practical purposes only.

1. Why do you need sword when in the Sermon of the Mount, Jesus was reported to have said to "give your two cheeks", "pray for your enemies", "be meek"?

2. There is no verses 49-51 in Luke 22. Or do I miss something here?

3. Why did the disciples carry "bread knives"? Were they having a picnic?

4. What is the 'practical purpose' of purchasing the swords?
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Re: Was Muhammed a false prophet?: A Christian assessment

Postby Hebron on Tue May 22, 2007 8:14 am

relaxjack wrote:Interesting. Why then did Jesus asked his disciples to purchase swords?
To prepare themselves to become itinerant missionaries. He told them that in addition to a sword they should take a purse and a bag. It was common for 1st century travelers to go armed.
Luke 22:47-51

47 While He was still speaking, behold, a multitude came, and the one called Judas, one of the twelve, was preceding them; and he approached Jesus to kiss Him. 48 But Jesus said to him, "Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?" 49 And when those who were around Him saw what was going to happen, they said, "Lord, shall we strike with the sword?" 50 And a certain one of them struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his right ear. 51 But Jesus answered and said, "Stop! No more of this." And He touched his ear and healed him.
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You will not find any instructions from Jesus to rally armies and invade countries to make disciples.
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Re: Was Muhammed a false prophet?: A Christian assessment

Postby relaxjack on Tue May 22, 2007 8:31 am

Hebron wrote:
relaxjack wrote:Interesting. Why then did Jesus asked his disciples to purchase swords?
To prepare themselves to become itinerant missionaries. He told them that in addition to a sword they should take a purse and a bag. It was common for 1st century travelers to go armed.

Do 'itinerant missionaries' carry swords? Why do you need to preach the gospel with a sword?
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Re: Was Muhammed a false prophet?: A Christian assessment

Postby Hebron on Tue May 22, 2007 10:00 am

relaxjack wrote:
Hebron wrote:
relaxjack wrote:Interesting. Why then did Jesus asked his disciples to purchase swords?
To prepare themselves to become itinerant missionaries. He told them that in addition to a sword they should take a purse and a bag. It was common for 1st century travelers to go armed.

Do 'itinerant missionaries' carry swords? Why do you need to preach the gospel with a sword?
The same reason shepherds carried swords, protection against wild animals.
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Postby Steadfast on Tue May 22, 2007 11:11 am

I just read the first post of this topic...

all I can say is....
"Wow, the truth you spoke was perfect and spoken in Love..."

Right on, Elisha Kai
well said!
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Postby Elisha Kai on Tue May 22, 2007 11:19 am

Relaxjack wrote:

What are the prophecies of Muhammad (pbuh) that are not fulfilled? Starnge, you gave a bold title of 'false prophecy' but did not explain how that is related to the Muhammad (pbuh).


Elisha Kai replies:

Take a look at this Muslim site, it basically just the Hadiths online:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#037.4281

Book 37, Number 4281:

Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The flourishing state of Jerusalem will be when Yathrib is in ruins, the ruined state of Yathrib will be when the great war comes, the outbreak of the great war will be at the conquest of Constantinople and the conquest of Constantinople when the Dajjal (Antichrist) comes forth. He (the Prophet) struck his thigh or his shoulder with his hand and said: This is as true as you are here or as you are sitting (meaning Mu'adh ibn Jabal).


Book 37, Number 4282:

Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The greatest war, the conquest of Constantinople and the coming forth of the Dajjal (Antichrist) will take place within a period of seven months.


Book 37, Number 4283:

Narrated Abdullah ibn Busr:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The time between the great war and the conquest of the city (Constantinople) will be six years, and the Dajjal (Antichrist) will come forth in the seventh.


I only need to ask two questions:

Did the Muslim invade Constantinope within 7 months or 6 years?

Did the Dajjal appear in the seventh year?

You might reply that this is only Bukhari and we cannot trust everything in Bukhari, or we cannot trust Bukhari at all.

Then my question will be:

How do you know which Bukhari is unreliable and which is not; do you determine such a thing based upon the problems posed by a given passage?

Secondly, if you undermine Bukhari are you not undermining the whole history and background of Islam and the Qur'an and hence your faith?

Relaxjack wrote:

God told Muhammad (pbuh) that we should pray to the same God, the God of Abraham, Issac, Ishmael and Jacob. What 'other gods' are you referring to?

Elisha Kai replies:

Why don't you read the previous posts, I was referring to the issue of the 'satanic verses'; you might say its speculation, however, the incident was referred to by the earliest Islamic historians and there are clear indications to this in the Qur'an and Bukhari.

Whom shall I trust? You, or some other modern Muslim, or those who lived closer the event?

The Qur'an even alludes to Gnosticism, in which Christ is raised to heaven while somebody takes his place on the cross; that someone in accordance to Gnosticism is the person Jesus, whom the divine being Christ had possessed since his baptism; by referring to this sort of ideas, the Qur'an does refer to another divinity; similarily Jesus is referred to as the Word of Allah, in Greek, thelogos, the divine intermediate nature of God, and a spirit that proceeds from Allah; in that case what is the problem promiting the three daughters of Allah as the satanic verses suggest.

Relaxjack wrote:

Interesting. Why then did Jesus asked his disciples to purchase swords?

1. Why do you need sword when in the Sermon of the Mount, Jesus was reported to have said to "give your two cheeks", "pray for your enemies", "be meek"?

Elisha Kai replies:

Well, I assume you have a knife home, why do you have a knife home (I guess for any purpose), when you do not intend to strike people down on the street? Do you get my point? Swords and knives were not only meant for violence!

Since there is no reference to violence in the passage and since the context excludes violence, you are commiting an error to read violence into the text.

Relaxjack wrote:

2. There is no verses 49-51 in Luke 22. Or do I miss something here?


Elisha Kai replies:

Yes you are missing something, I don't you are even reading the Bible; the verses are there:

Let me write them down for you:

49. When those around him saw what was going to happen, they said to him, "Lord shall we strike with our sword?" 50. And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut of his right ear. 51. But Jesus answered and said, "Permit even this." And he touched his ear and healed him.


Relaxjack wrote:

3. Why did the disciples carry "bread knives"? Were they having a picnic?

4. What is the 'practical purpose' of purchasing the swords?


Elisha Kai:

If you are on the run for a while, you may need a knife or a sword but not necessarily for violence means, and what is the practical purpose of purchasing a sword? Well what is the practical purpose of buying anything?

The bottom line is, this is a laughable argument if you intend to make the New Testament look violent; there is not mention of violence, war, invasion, etc. There is reference to buy a sword, but the context excludes violence, otherwise all the disciples would carry a sword; what difference would three swords make anyway?

And then again, so what if the swords were for self-protection? Are you stating that self-protection is wrong? Jesus does say turn the other cheek, he did not say turn the stomac, back or head so they can strike you down.

True in times of persecution this applies, however, in terms of being attacked on the street or home, in terms of mere crime, I do not see Jesus excluding self-defence or protecting others.

Therefore if the disciples bought the swords to protect themselves, and robbery and bandits were not an alien element in the Roman society, especially outside the cities, you cannot judge Jesus from practically ordering the group to protect themselves; this does not even come close the terrorism promoted by the Qur'an; so don't even think of dragging Christianity into the same pith.

I can post you almost a hundred verses from the Qur'an that actually promote bloody violence; can you point out just one verse from the New Testament that actually tells me to attack the enemy?
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Postby relaxjack on Wed May 23, 2007 11:27 am

Elisha Kai wrote:Take a look at this Muslim site, it basically just the Hadiths online:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#037.4281

Book 37, Number 4281:

Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The flourishing state of Jerusalem will be when Yathrib is in ruins, the ruined state of Yathrib will be when the great war comes, the outbreak of the great war will be at the conquest of Constantinople and the conquest of Constantinople when the Dajjal (Antichrist) comes forth. He (the Prophet) struck his thigh or his shoulder with his hand and said: This is as true as you are here or as you are sitting (meaning Mu'adh ibn Jabal).


Also Book 37, Number 4282: and Book 37, Number 4283:

The Prophet was talking about the great war before the end of the world. The time when Dajjal would come would be around 6 years after the conquest fo Constantinople. To understand why the Prophet was referring to a much future event, look at Yathrib. When was Yathrib in ruins?


Relaxjack wrote:
God told Muhammad (pbuh) that we should pray to the same God, the God of Abraham, Issac, Ishmael and Jacob. What 'other gods' are you referring to?

Elisha Kai wrote:Elisha Kai replies:

Why don't you read the previous posts, I was referring to the issue of the 'satanic verses'; you might say its speculation, however, the incident was referred to by the earliest Islamic historians and there are clear indications to this in the Qur'an and Bukhari.

I was not following your arguments on this satanic verses. If you like, you can raise it in another thread.

Relaxjack wrote:

Interesting. Why then did Jesus asked his disciples to purchase swords?

1. Why do you need sword when in the Sermon of the Mount, Jesus was reported to have said to "give your two cheeks", "pray for your enemies", "be meek"?

Elisha Kai wrote:Elisha Kai replies:

Well, I assume you have a knife home, why do you have a knife home (I guess for any purpose), when you do not intend to strike people down on the street? Do you get my point? Swords and knives were not only meant for violence!

What were the swords meant for, then? Hebron earlier said the swords were for 'protection against wild animals' (at Gethsemane? :o ). Did the servant of the high priest looks like a wild animal?

Again... why did Jesus tell the disciples to purchase swords?



Relaxjack wrote:

3. Why did the disciples carry "bread knives"? Were they having a picnic?

4. What is the 'practical purpose' of purchasing the swords?


Elisha Kai wrote:Elisha Kai:

If you are on the run for a while, you may need a knife or a sword but not necessarily for violence means, and what is the practical purpose of purchasing a sword? Well what is the practical purpose of buying anything?


Thought I was the one who initially asked the question. Why are you asking me a question to my question?

Again... what is the practical purpose of buying swords, in the context of Luke 22?

Elisha Kai wrote:The bottom line is, this is a laughable argument if you intend to make the New Testament look violent; there is not mention of violence, war, invasion, etc. There is reference to buy a sword, but the context excludes violence, otherwise all the disciples would carry a sword; what difference would three swords make anyway?

I dont take that as a 'laughable argument'. It is not even my intention to make the NT (why only NT, not OT?) look violence. I am just trying to reconcile what you are trying to defend against what actually Jesus told his disciples. I dont need three swords, the incident shows one sword is devastating enough to one of the guards' ear.

Elisha Kai wrote:And then again, so what if the swords were for self-protection? Are you stating that self-protection is wrong? Jesus does say turn the other cheek, he did not say turn the stomac, back or head so they can strike you down.

Be careful of what you say. You seem to contradict what Jesus preached. Jesus said 'turn the other cheek', to be 'meek', 'to pray for your enemy' and 'to run another mile if they asked you to run 1 mile'.

Are you saying Jesus gave the green light to buy swords for self-defence? How is this consistent with the above?

Elisha Kai wrote:True in times of persecution this applies, however, in terms of being attacked on the street or home, in terms of mere crime, I do not see Jesus excluding self-defence or protecting others.

Where did you read Jesus stating that? Where did Jesus actually say to purchase swords for 'self-defence or for protecting others.? Whih book/chapter/verse?

Elisha Kai wrote:Therefore if the disciples bought the swords to protect themselves, and robbery and bandits were not an alien element in the Roman society, especially outside the cities, you cannot judge Jesus from practically ordering the group to protect themselves; this does not even come close the terrorism promoted by the Qur'an; so don't even think of dragging Christianity into the same pith.

I see. First Hebron said the swords were for protection against 'wild animals'. Now, you claimed the swords were for 'robbers and bandits'. What next? There were also Pharisees who were against Jesus and his men. There were Romans who were subjugating them. If the swords can be used for other purposes (even as you suggested at home) how was it that your did not consider the swords were for these groups?
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Postby John 10:10 on Wed May 23, 2007 6:13 pm

While some seem to be obsessed with physical swords, I prefer another kind of sword, one that is far more powerful.

Eph 6:10-11,17
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might.
11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.
17And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

Heb 4:12
For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.


No helmet of salvation, one is just lost in their sins.

No sword of the Spirit, no ability to be strong in the Lord.

No sword of the Spirit, no ability to stand against the schemes of the debil.

No sword of the Spirit, no ability to discern between soul and spirit.
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Postby relaxjack on Thu May 24, 2007 6:47 am

John 10:10 wrote:While some seem to be obsessed with physical swords, I prefer another kind of sword, one that is far more powerful.


Also take note of the sword that will destroy, kill and kill, thousands, men women and children, in the future, when the Prince of Peace will come. Who is the Prince of Peace?

11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great." 19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh. (Revelation 19)
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Postby shalom on Thu May 24, 2007 8:32 am

relaxjack wrote:What were the swords meant for, then? Hebron earlier said the swords were for 'protection against wild animals' (at Gethsemane? :o ). Did the servant of the high priest looks like a wild animal?

Again... why did Jesus tell the disciples to purchase swords?



Relaxjack wrote:

3. Why did the disciples carry "bread knives"? Were they having a picnic?

4. What is the 'practical purpose' of purchasing the swords?


Elisha Kai wrote:Elisha Kai:

If you are on the run for a while, you may need a knife or a sword but not necessarily for violence means, and what is the practical purpose of purchasing a sword? Well what is the practical purpose of buying anything?


Thought I was the one who initially asked the question. Why are you asking me a question to my question?

Again... what is the practical purpose of buying swords, in the context of Luke 22?

Elisha Kai wrote:The bottom line is, this is a laughable argument if you intend to make the New Testament look violent; there is not mention of violence, war, invasion, etc. There is reference to buy a sword, but the context excludes violence, otherwise all the disciples would carry a sword; what difference would three swords make anyway?

I dont take that as a 'laughable argument'. It is not even my intention to make the NT (why only NT, not OT?) look violence. I am just trying to reconcile what you are trying to defend against what actually Jesus told his disciples. I dont need three swords, the incident shows one sword is devastating enough to one of the guards' ear.


Ad nauseum...
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I was just browsing and came upon the following which I had in mind, which I quote here.

http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/Martial2.html

"Turn the Other Cheek" Always?
We do not believe pacifism (or nonresistance) is the essential point of Christ's teaching in Matthew 5:38-42. Nor do we believe Christ was teaching to "turn the other cheek" in virtually all circumstances. Even Christ did not literally turn the other cheek when smitten by a member of the Sanhedrin (John 18:22-23).

The backdrop to this teaching is that the Jews considered it an insult to be hit in the face, much in the same way that we would interpret someone spitting in our face. The principle taught in the Sermon on the Mount would seem to be that Christians should not retaliate when insulted or slandered (cf. Rom. 12:17-21). Such insults do not threaten a Christian's personal safety. The question of rendering insult for insult, however, is a far cry from defending oneself against a mugger, or a woman using the martial arts against a rapist.

In terms of following Christ's example, one must remember that His personal nonresistance at the cross was intertwined with His unique calling. He did not evade His arrest because it was God's will for Him to fulfill His prophetic role as the redemptive Lamb of God (Matt. 26:52-56). During His ministry, however, He refused to be arrested because God's timing for His death had not yet come (John 8:59). Thus, Christ's unique nonresistance during the Passion does not mandate against self-protection.
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Postby Elisha Kai on Thu May 24, 2007 10:57 am

Relax jack replies:

Elisha Kai wrote:

Take a look at this Muslim site, it basically just the Hadiths online:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#037.4281

Book 37, Number 4281:
Quote:
Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The flourishing state of Jerusalem will be when Yathrib is in ruins, the ruined state of Yathrib will be when the great war comes, the outbreak of the great war will be at the conquest of Constantinople and the conquest of Constantinople when the Dajjal (Antichrist) comes forth. He (the Prophet) struck his thigh or his shoulder with his hand and said: This is as true as you are here or as you are sitting (meaning Mu'adh ibn Jabal).


Also Book 37, Number 4282: and Book 37, Number 4283:


The Prophet was talking about the great war before the end of the world. The time when Dajjal would come would be around 6 years after the conquest fo Constantinople. To understand why the Prophet was referring to a much future event, look at Yathrib. When was Yathrib in ruins?


Elisha Kai replies:

That is exactly the point Relaxjack, Yathrib was not destroyed, and the great war and the appearance of the Dajjal did not occur within Muhammad?s life time; in fact this should have occurred or started within a year after this particular prophecy.


Relaxjack wrote:

God told Muhammad (pbuh) that we should pray to the same God, the God of Abraham, Issac, Ishmael and Jacob. What 'other gods' are you referring to?

Elisha Kai wrote:

Elisha Kai replies:

Why don't you read the previous posts, I was referring to the issue of the 'satanic verses'; you might say its speculation, however, the incident was referred to by the earliest Islamic historians and there are clear indications to this in the Qur'an and Bukhari.


I was not following your arguments on this satanic verses. If you like, you can raise it in another thread.


Elisha Kai replies:

Well, the context in which you ask the question relates to the Satanic verses, in that case you are the one not following the argument and you are the one who has to raise your issue on another thread; I was referring to the satanic verses, and that was the context of the issue.

Relaxjack wrote:

Relaxjack wrote:

Interesting. Why then did Jesus asked his disciples to purchase swords?

1. Why do you need sword when in the Sermon of the Mount, Jesus was reported to have said to "give your two cheeks", "pray for your enemies", "be meek"?
Elisha Kai wrote:

Elisha Kai replies:

Well, I assume you have a knife home, why do you have a knife home (I guess for any purpose), when you do not intend to strike people down on the street? Do you get my point? Swords and knives were not only meant for violence!


What were the swords meant for, then? Hebron earlier said the swords were for 'protection against wild animals' (at Gethsemane? ). Did the servant of the high priest looks like a wild animal?

Again... why did Jesus tell the disciples to purchase swords?


Elisha Kai replies:

And again I can ask, why do you possess knives in your homes? Are you a violent person, is your family violent?

Get my point?

Your question reads your own misconception into the context.


Relaxjack wrote:

Quote:
3. Why did the disciples carry "bread knives"? Were they having a picnic?

4. What is the 'practical purpose' of purchasing the swords?

Elisha Kai wrote:

Elisha Kai:

If you are on the run for a while, you may need a knife or a sword but not necessarily for violence means, and what is the practical purpose of purchasing a sword? Well what is the practical purpose of buying anything?


Thought I was the one who initially asked the question. Why are you asking me a question to my question?

Again... what is the practical purpose of buying swords, in the context of Luke 22?
Elisha Kai wrote:

The bottom line is, this is a laughable argument if you intend to make the New Testament look violent; there is not mention of violence, war, invasion, etc. There is reference to buy a sword, but the context excludes violence, otherwise all the disciples would carry a sword; what difference would three swords make anyway?


I dont take that as a 'laughable argument'. It is not even my intention to make the NT (why only NT, not OT?) look violence. I am just trying to reconcile what you are trying to defend against what actually Jesus told his disciples. I dont need three swords, the incident shows one sword is devastating enough to one of the guards' ear.


Elisha Kai replies:

Let me just deal with the issue of the swords here in on go, then I will deal with the rest of Relaxjack?s after.

The confusion is easily solved when you look at the Greek terms being used; the Greek word for the swords referred to Luke 22 is m?chaira; it actually refers not to a sword but a knife; this knife was used e.g. for slaugthering animals and hence for practical purpose; it could also as any knife in your kitchen be utilized violently; for example Roman guards all carried a m?chaira, but so did anyone who travelling on a long distance and anyone who prepared a meal, slaugthering an animal, worked on the field, etc; like any knife, a the m?chaira could be used for practical and peaceful purposes and for violent.

Considering that the disciples would be on a run, there were practical intentions with a m?chaira other than violence and self-defence; certainly the m?chaira could cut a man?s ear off, but so can any knife in kitchen; that argument of yours does prove then that Jesus intended the m?chaira to be used for violent purposes.

As I said earlier, can you show me any specific sentence in Luke 22, in which Jesus urges them to use the m?chaira violently?

If you were on a journey, or lets say you were on the run, e.g. into the jungle or the dessert and you were told to buy a kitchen knife, would you say the purpose of that would necessarily be violent; not really, you may use violently, however the purpose with such a tool is multiple, and not necessarily violent.

Let summarize this, they are to carry knives and they are nowhere told to use them violently; if they use them violently, that does not prove that the command for a group of 11 men to carry 2 or 3 knives is violent. True, a m?chaira could cause damage and could be used in battle against humans or animals, but that would not be the main tool if the solemn intention was violent purpose.

Now let me introduce you to another word, the Greek word, rhompha?a, this word is the reference to an actual sword, in contrast to m?chaira, it was large and heavy (Luke 2: 35, Revelation 1: 16; 19: 15), the solemn purpose of this sword was violent; know think about it, if Jesus meant for the disciples to actually use violence or protect themselves effectively as a group why did he not tell them to buy a rhompha?a or a number of rhompha?a?s?

Relax Jack wrote

Elisha Kai wrote:

And then again, so what if the swords were for self-protection? Are you stating that self-protection is wrong? Jesus does say turn the other cheek, he did not say turn the stomac, back or head so they can strike you down.


Be careful of what you say. You seem to contradict what Jesus preached. Jesus said 'turn the other cheek', to be 'meek', 'to pray for your enemy' and 'to run another mile if they asked you to run 1 mile'.

Are you saying Jesus gave the green light to buy swords for self-defence? How is this consistent with the above?


Elisha Kai replies:

Why don?t you read my post again, did I say that, or did try to awaken some of your logic? Notice my wording

?so what if??

I never said that Jesus required his disciples to buy swords for self-defence, but considering the typical desparation of Muslims to drag Christianity into the mess of Islam, this passage being one example, I simply asked the question: if they knives were for self-defence, what is the actual problem?

They were not told to attack Jerusalem or assasinate the highpriest; these are all elements in Islam but not in Christianity. Now unfortunately for your desparation to compare Christianity with Islam, this passage does not indicate what you might be presumming.

You are also misusing the Sermon on the Mountain here, Jesus is not aiming for a husband or father to simply let a bandit or a robber kill him, it is one thing to show extreme respect to those who hate you and persecute you, its another thing to permit your head to be cut off.

However, in the sermon of the mountain, chapter 5, it does refer to religious persecution, now that is different, and Christians are told to remain patient, no matter what; but that is not the same as being attacked by a gang of robbers wanting to harm your family.

Neither does that contradict that you may be a man of peace or meek!

Relaxjack wrote:

Elisha Kai wrote:

True in times of persecution this applies, however, in terms of being attacked on the street or home, in terms of mere crime, I do not see Jesus excluding self-defence or protecting others.


Where did you read Jesus stating that? Where did Jesus actually say to purchase swords for 'self-defence or for protecting others.? Whih book/chapter/verse?


Elisha Kai replies:

That is the whole point here, he did not!

But my question was, what if he did, would that contradict his statements from Matthew, can a meek man and a peaceful man, not protect his family or others?

I was just asking the question. Muslims tell us that Muhammad was a meek man, who loved children and animals yet he protected himself and others, he even engaged in war and bloody massacres, yet you would refer to Muhammad as a man of peace; now read what I wrote here carefully before you twist my entire point as earlier.

However, while not in this context, but considering the entire New Testament, I see nowhere that Jesus banned e.g. self-defence if your life was a stake from a mere bandit, or if someone broke in your home to harm your family; in fact many of his parables reveal natural and normal reactions to various situations, I am referring to Matthew 12 where a robber, better be strong enough to rob a man?s house, why because obviously any father and husband in charge of a house hold would have the duty to protect his wife and children; I don?t see how that necessarily contradicts a meek man or a peace-maker.

Relax jack wrote:

Elisha Kai wrote:

Therefore if the disciples bought the swords to protect themselves, and robbery and bandits were not an alien element in the Roman society, especially outside the cities, you cannot judge Jesus from practically ordering the group to protect themselves; this does not even come close the terrorism promoted by the Qur'an; so don't even think of dragging Christianity into the same pith.


I see. First Hebron said the swords were for protection against 'wild animals'. Now, you claimed the swords were for 'robbers and bandits'. What next? There were also Pharisees who were against Jesus and his men. There were Romans who were subjugating them. If the swords can be used for other purposes (even as you suggested at home) how was it that your did not consider the swords were for these groups?


Elisha Kai replies:

First and most Hebron is right, there were wild animals out there, and here the knives might prove effective; but a m?chaira was a practical too as well.

Secondly, as I have just pointed out, I did not claim that the swords, or more correctly the knives, were for robbers and bandits in case of self-protection; I simply asked you: what if they were? You are putting your own misconception into my mouth.

Your reference to Pharisees and Romans does not hold, that comes under persecution; do me a favour and read Matthew 10; in this situation Christians are to persevere; we do not fight our Christian as a religion with physical weapons.

So what is a m?chaira for; first and most practical purposes, unless otherwise is stated; can it be used to kill wild animals? Certainly! Would the disciples meet wild animals? The possibility remained! Could they use it on people in case of persecution? The text does not state that, and the context as well as the entire New Testament context refutes that. Where they in danger of bandits or religious persecutors, obviously religious persecutors! If they travelled to the wilderness, they would travel in a group, this would exclude attacks from bandits, and if attacked by a large gange fully armed, three knives would be of little use.

Does this make a sense to you?

Relax Jack wrote:

John 10:10 wrote:
While some seem to be obsessed with physical swords, I prefer another kind of sword, one that is far more powerful.


Relax Jack replies to John 10:10:

Also take note of the sword that will destroy, kill and kill, thousands, men women and children, in the future, when the Prince of Peace will come. Who is the Prince of Peace?

Quote:
11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great." 19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.


Elisha Kai replies:

First and most whose sword are we referring to, the sword in the hands of a Christian or the sword of Christ?

What kind of sword is this? Its a rhomphaia sword; the sword used specifically for war, not a m?chomai knife; thus we are not referring to the same thing anyway are we? The disciples possessd m?chaira, Jesus will use a rhomphaia.

Furthermore, are we referring to a literal sword? Not really, the Revelation and this vision is particularly apocalyptic in its language!

Thirdly, when will this happen, in the everyday normal life of a Christian since Christianity originated to the presence? No! We are looking at the final days, when Christ himself (not the Christians) comes to launch his judgement!

As to your reference to Christ as the Prince of Peace; the title is acceptable, he did come with peace and in eternity the result of his accomplishments will toward those who believed in his account be peace; yet Isaiah, the Gospels, the Epistles of Paul, also reveal as coming with judgement.

Any king or leader, can be a man of peace, but times may come when the situation requires certain acts; such does not exclude the elements of peace! You would most surely assume that Muhammad was a man of peace, but considering, killing, the invasions, the rape and enslavery, based on your present judgement of Jesus, can you deem Muhammad to be a man of peace, I don?t think so!

I hope that settles the confusion

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Postby John 10:10 on Thu May 24, 2007 12:53 pm

relaxjack wrote:
John 10:10 wrote:While some seem to be obsessed with physical swords, I prefer another kind of sword, one that is far more powerful.


Also take note of the sword that will destroy, kill and kill, thousands, men women and children, in the future, when the Prince of Peace will come. Who is the Prince of Peace?

11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great." 19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh. (Revelation 19)

Yes, the prophetic word of Rev 19 must come to pass before the prophetic word of Rev 21 comes to pass,

1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.
2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,
4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away."
5 And He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." And He said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true."


But to be able to live in this new heaven and a new earth, one must pass the test of Rev 20:11-15,

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.


You ask, "Who is this Prince of Peace?" It's the Lord Jesus Christ who desires to first give peace to the hearts and lives of sinners who desire to be saved by God's grace. Then He will clean up the final mess that remains on earth in Rev 19 by those who reject God's grace when He comes again.

It's as simple and as difficult as that!
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Postby relaxjack on Thu May 24, 2007 1:39 pm

Few points that I would like to highlight:

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Elisha Kai replies:

That is exactly the point Relaxjack, Yathrib was not destroyed, and the great war and the appearance of the Dajjal did not occur within Muhammad?s life time; in fact this should have occurred or started within a year after this particular prophecy.

I am sure you can do better than that. The context was about 'the great war' which would come before the end of time. This is the apocalyptic story that Muslims believe in, just like you belive Jesus would come down with a sharp sword to destroy those who did not believe in him.

If you insist I am wrong, then give a critical analysis of the 'great war' that is different from what Muslims believe, based on the hadith and Quran. Is that a fair proposal?

2. Yes, the term 'sword' is m?chaira, which by definition is

a large knife, used for killing animals and cutting up flesh
a small sword, as distinguished from a large sword
curved sword, for a cutting stroke
a straight sword, for thrusting

I have no problem with the sword being used for "e.g. for slaugthering animals" and even for "Roman guards" and for "preparing a meal, slaugthering an animal, worked on the field, etc;"

Just curious: [color=red]how and why do use the 'sword', the m?chaira in the kitchen, which in haste you were trying to relate to peaceful purpose?[/color]

3. Another philosophical thought. You wrote:

"As I said earlier, can you show me any specific sentence in Luke 22, in which Jesus urges them to use the m?chaira violently?"

That's the point. How do you use the term without any implication of violence, blood, cut, kill? How do you use the sword, non-violently? The impact of the sword was devastating, it did not feather the ear of the guard, it cuts it nicely with some gushing of blood, I would assume.

The implication of Luke 22 is clear. It was meant for defence, and in the process, you might use it violently, if necessary. Please persuade how I could be wrong here.
4. Elisha wrote:

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[color=red]I never said that Jesus required his disciples to buy swords for self-defence[/color], but considering the typical desparation of Muslims to drag Christianity into the mess of Islam, this passage being one example, I simply asked the question: if they knives were for self-defence, what is the actual problem?


Now, I am lost at her cause. She claimed here Jesus did not asked the disciples to purchase swords for self-defence.... what is wrong with using maichara for self-defence?

Listen, I have no problem with Jesus telling people to buy swords for self-defence. In fact, I take that should be the most appropriate advice.

Hence, tell us clearly: Are you agreeable, or not agreeable, that Jesus would allow people to purchase swords/maichara for self-defence?
5. Let us ponder further:

However, in the sermon of the mountain, chapter 5, it does refer to religious persecution, now that is different, and Christians are told to remain patient, no matter what; but that is not the same as being attacked by a gang of robbers wanting to harm your family.


So, you are saying that an army of sex-driven soldiers that has just completed ravaging a city, pillaging, raping, burning and is now marching towards your city, you would say "remain patient, no matter what"??

You are implying that the city should not take arms to defend the people there, and leave it to God to decide?
6. OK, so you drag the Prophet:

I was just asking the question. Muslims tell us that Muhammad was a meek man, who loved children and animals yet he protected himself and others, he even engaged in war and bloody massacres, yet you would refer to Muhammad as a man of peace; now read what I wrote here carefully before you twist my entire point as earlier.


'meek' is not exactly the appropriate word to describe the Prophet.

Main Entry: meek
Pronunciation: 'mEk
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Norse mjukr gentle; akin to Welsh esmwyth soft
1 : enduring injury with patience and without resentment : MILD
2 : deficient in spirit and courage : SUBMISSIVE
3 : not violent or strong : MODERATE

Like Moses and other OT prophets, Muhammad (pbuh) used force, negotiation and arbitration which best suited the condition. You noticed I included 'force'. :D To Muslims, that is PRACTICALITY.

What you and some Christians are too shy to admit is that Jesus would not use force and violence, in any conditions. Which actually is not biblically correct. He did use a whip to chased out the moneychangers?

Anyway, in the context of Revelation and Luke, you said "The disciples possessd m?chaira, Jesus will use a rhomphaia" ( a large sword).
7. Finally,

Thirdly, when will this happen, in the everyday normal life of a Christian since Christianity originated to the presence? No! We are looking at the final days, when Christ himself (not the Christians) comes to launch his judgement!


Can we agree that Christians believe Jesus will use an even bigger sword (literal) in the final days to slaughter men, women and children who would not believe in him?
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Postby John 10:10 on Thu May 24, 2007 4:06 pm

relaxjack writes,
Can we agree that Christians believe Jesus will use an even bigger sword (literal) in the final days to slaughter men, women and children who would not believe in him?

The problem as always is your unbelief in the Lord Jesus Christ, neither His first coming to redeem mankind, nor His second coming to conclude this age and create the new age to come.

Rev 19:21 declares the sword He will wield will come from His mouth. Try that sword on for size.
John 14:6, "I (Jesus) am the Way (of life), the Truth (of life), and the Life (of life). No man comes to the Father (God) but by Me."
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Postby relaxjack on Fri May 25, 2007 8:24 am

John 10:10 wrote:
Rev 19:21 declares the sword He will wield will come from His mouth. Try that sword on for size.


Yes, the sword that comes from his mouth "to strike down the nations" (Rev 19:14), and the same sword that killed many others with "all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh" (Rev 19:21).

A sharp contrast to the Lamb that Christians would like to potray.
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Six Muslim Beliefs (Iman) and a Christian's Response

For a Muslim Enquirer

Apologetic Paper by Jay Smith (with help and advice from
Marietta and Joe Smith) - May 1995


Contents

A preliminary discussion, using a Muslim's criteria, on the Six Beliefs (Iman)

  1. Belief in One God (Allah)

  2. Belief in the Prophets

  3. Belief in the Holy Books

  4. Belief in Angels

  5. Belief in the Day of Judgment

  6. Belief in the Decrees or the Predestination of God (Allah)

  7. Sources


A: Belief in one God (Allah)

A1: The Muslim View

The first and greatest teaching of Islam is proclaimed by the Shahada: "La Ilaha illa-l-lah, Muhammadun rasulu-l-lah." ("There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the apostle of Allah.") It is this very confession, which, once uttered sincerely, makes one a real Muslim.

For a Muslim, Allah is one (Wahid), and has no partners, no equals. According to the Quran, Sura 28;88, it is stated: "And cry not unto any other god along with Allah. There is no god save Him." Thus, Allah is totally other. He created and maintains the world, and since Allah is one, no one else can share even an atom of His Divine power and authority. Islam makes it clear that Allah has no son, no father, no relative, and no associates.

In the Hadiths, Muhammad is reported to have related the ninety-nine names of Allah, to express some of His attributes. A number of these are: that He is merciful (that he provides man with food, drink, the means of movement, and all the necessities of life), that He is all-powerful (omnipotent), that He is wise and all-knowing (omniscient), and that He is eternal (no beginning and no end).

A2: The Christian Response

Christians and Muslims worship the God of Abraham. As do Muslims, Christians believe in only one righteous and transcendent creator God. The key verse of the Torah of the Prophet Moses states that: "The Lord our God is one Lord; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might" (Deuteronomy 6:4). God is one and He commands us to love Him totally.

Jesus Christ, speaking more than a thousand years after the Prophet Moses says: "The Lord our God, the Lord is one; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength" (Mark 12:28-30 and Matt.22:37).

Thus, both the Torah and the Gospel (Injil) agree that God is one. We are commanded to love one God. Only He has the right to command our ultimate loyalty. All other gods which man invents are totally false (Hosea 13:2,3).

Perhaps the greatest criticism against Christians by Muslims is the view of the plurality of God, that God is three; and consists of "God the Father, Mary the mother, and Jesus the son." This view is as repugnant to Christians as it is to Muslims, and has its origins in a heretical Christian sect (called Choloridians) who had contact with Muhammad during his tenure in Mecca.

We must say, however, that from the Scriptures we find revealed a Divine unity of three Persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, commonly known as the "trinity." It is impossible to express the mystery of God as "triune." In fact, this word is not found within Scripture, but was coined three centuries later by the Church, to express what Scripture delineated as God comprised of three Persons, who are in complete unity of will, purpose, action and love, yet cannot be separated though they have different functions. The Scriptures speak of God, the Father, who as the co-Creator, blesses (Eph.1:3-4), initiates (Jn.17:2-9) and sends (Jn.17:3,18). God, the Son, speaks-out the creation (Jn.1:1), and acts physically into history, both during the time of the prophets (Gen.32:25-30; Ex.3:2-5; 13:21; 33:9-11; Judge 2:1), and as the savior, Jesus Christ (Jn.1:14). And finally God, the Holy Spirit, who is resident within the believer, guides, instructs and empowers him (Jn.14:16-17), and mediates Jesus Christ and his atoning work (Jn.15:26).

Jesus referred to this 'Trinity in Unity' when He commanded His apostles to go everywhere and persuade men to become His disciples, and baptize believers "...in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19).

It is important that God as "Father" must not be viewed within a biological context. Christians share with Muslims the prohibition against conceiving of God in the form of an image. God as "Father" refers, rather, to a relationship; a description of the covenant and fellowship relationship between God and man.

Christians accept all the 99 names of God which Muslims repeat in praise to God. Even the name Allah is affirmed by Christians as one of the names of God, the same Arabic name which the Prophet Abraham used in Hebrew as "El" or "Elohim."


B: Belief in the Prophets

B1: The Muslim View

Islam makes a distinction between a messenger (rasul) who is sent with a Divine Scripture to guide and reform mankind, and a prophet (al nabbi) who simply carries information or proclaims Allah's news. Therefore, though all messengers are prophets, not all prophets are messengers.

The number of Allah's prophets is said to be 124,000, yet the Qur'an mentions only 25. Adam was the first prophet, followed by others, some of whom are: Abraham, Jacob, Ishmael, Isaac, David, Solomon, John the Baptist, Jesus, and also Muhammad, the final and greatest of the prophets; or the "Seal of the Prophets."

Allah raised up these prophets, among every nation (Sura 16:36), to provide mankind with firm and constructive guidance, so that they could walk the straight path of Allah, could live happily in this world, and could be prepared for life after death. Their fundamental message (Islam) was identical, remind- ing mankind of Allah's unity; the reward of a good life; the day of judgment; and the terrible punishment for unbelievers.

Their witness was not always received well, and sometimes with total rejection, even in their own communities (Sura 17:94). Yet, Allah promised to protect them from serious sins and from bad diseases. Thus, the belief that a prophet could never be killed; and their denial that Jesus, a prophet, died on the cross.

B2: The Christian Response

Christians believe that God appointed prophets and others to speak to mankind His Word, the story of His redemptive acts in history. God revealed (nuzul) the interpretation of His acts to prophets, who passed it on to man by preaching, teaching, and writing.

Of the thirty or so prophets who are listed in the Bible, many are well known to Muslims, such as: Abraham, Moses, David, and John the Baptist; while others are not, such as: Miriam (Moses's sister), Nathan, Isaiah, Jonah, Joel, and Daniel; all of whom came before Christ. Others, like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter and Paul, wrote after Christ's departure, and, though not recognized by Muslims, they are, for Christians, believed to be the last of the prophets.

We know as well, that all of these prophets were descendants of Abraham and Isaac, sent down over a period of 2,000 years, chiefly to the people of Israel, whom God had chosen to be His Covenant people; in order that from them the Truth of God might be made known to all the people of the world.

They came from different classes of society, some rich, others poor, young and old; some scholars, and others with little education. Not all wrote books (Elijah, John the Baptist), but they all heard God's word, either through angels, by means of visions, by God's voice, or by receiving the message in their minds and hearts.

We know also that the prophets were not sinless, but were believers who knew their sins were forgiven. To some the power was given to perform miracles, which verified the message. Yet, others, such as John the Baptist, performed none.

Their message was profound, but clear. They defined the character of a righteous God, and what He requires of them, warning of His judgment on rejecting Him and His Law, yet, assuring them of his forgiveness and blessing if they accepted them.

The prophets most important message, however, was that since there are none who could obey the Law fully, they remained still in sin, and so deserved death. Yet, they need not despair, because God had promised to take upon Himself the guilt of their sins, by incarnating Himself and dying on the cross, thus taking upon Himself that penalty, and so freeing Him to forgive them from those sins, which then brought them back into a personal relationship with Him.

In evaluating whether Muhammad was a prophet, a Christian must see Muhammad in light of the total Biblical witness culminating in Jesus the Messiah. To the extent that the prophet Muhammad 1) fully accepts the former Scriptures, and 2) points to the central significance of Jesus as redeemer, and 3) to the extent that the life and teachings of Muhammad exemplify suffering redemptive love, which is demonstrated by Jesus the Savior, Christians should, and will affirm the Prophet Muhammad. (Unless my Muslim brothers can show me otherwise, I find him lacking in all three.)


C: Belief in the Holy Books

C1: The Muslim View

Whenever chaos, confusion, or evil filled human society, Allah sent a message, via His prophets, to reform society. These messages were contained in the Holy Books of Allah, of which 5 are accepted by Muslims today: the Suhuf (Scrolls), revealed to the prophet Ibrahim, and now lost; the Taurut (Torah), revealed to the prophet Musa (Moses); the Zabur (Psalms), revealed to the prophet Daud (David); the Injil (Gospels), revealed to the prophet Isa (Jesus); and the Qur'an (Koran), the Holy Book, or "final message to mankind," revealed to the prophet Muhammad. Each Scripture confirmed the preceding revelation, with the purpose of reforming mankind.

Yet, according to Muslims, the first three existing revelations (Tawrut, Zabur, and Injil) include teachings which are confined to a particular tribe, community, or nation, and to a specific period. Furthermore, they believe that human imperfections, or abrogations have been introduced. The Bible, they say, seems to be a mixture of history and revelation. Therefore, it is extremely difficult to separate the true revelation in the Bible from that of history and human personality.

Thus, the Qur'an, they believe, was sent as the perfection and culmination of all the truth contained in the earlier Scriptures. Though sent down in Arabic, it is the Book for all times, for all mankind. It guards the previous revelations by restoring the eternal truth of Allah (Sura 3:3-4a), and clears up all uncertainties.

C2: The Christian Response

Christians believe that the Bible, consisting of the Old and New Testaments, is the inspired Word of God (2 Tim.3:16,17). By inspired, they mean that the messages of God were relayed to His chosen men who spoke or wrote them, using their own language, personalities and thought forms. (Inspiration, thus, does not mean divine dictation.) David wrote as an inspired poet, and Jeremiah spoke as an inspired preacher, and so on.

The sixty-six Holy books, divide into two sections; the Old Testament and New Testament. The Old Testament, which means old covenant or sacred promise (between God and His chosen people), records God's revelation of Himself to them, while processing them to receive Himself as the Redeemer Messiah, who would be born as one of them.

The Old Testament prophets recognized that the redemption for the world would be fulfilled through this Messiah (Jeremiah 31:31,33). Thus, they prophesied His coming hundreds of times, even speaking specifically of when and where His birth would occur, why He would come, how He would die, and that He would rise again; all hundreds of years before the events.

The New Testament (new covenant) is the historical record of the manner in which God fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies concerning the Messiah, and established the new covenant. It contains the account of the life and teachings of the Messiah (the Gospels), the creation of the Church (Acts of the Apostles), explanations of Christian beliefs and conduct (Epistles), and a description of the end times, when God's purpose for mankind will be fulfilled (Revelation).

Christians accept only the Old and New Testament in the Bible as God's inspired written Word, consisting of teachings by more than thirty prophets and apostles, written in times of tremendous change and diversity, spanning more than 1,500 years, yet holding a common unifying idea; that God is at work in history with the intent to redeem and save mankind from death.

The Bible has been translated into over 1,600 languages, so that 93% of the world's population can read it in their mother tongue. Therefore, it is no surprise that the Bible continues to be the best-selling book in the history of mankind.


D: Belief in Angels

D1: The Muslim View

Muslims believe that Allah created a host of angels, all of whom are sinless, do not eat or drink, and have no determining sex. They, like humans, will die and be resurrected.

The angels have differing ranks, but there are four who are the mightiest of all, and are known as the four archangels. They are:

  1. Gabriel, Allah's chief messenger, or intermediary, who is referred to as the "Holy Spirit" in the Qur'an;
  2. Michael;
  3. Izrail, the Angel of Death; and
  4. Israfil, who will blow the trumpet on the last day to awake the dead.

When Adam was created, Allah commanded all the angels to bow down to him. All the angels did so, except Iblis (Satan), who refused, saying, "He was made of clay, but I was made of fire, so I am better then he" (Sura 15:28-33). For his refusal, Allah cursed him and threw him out of paradise. From that time till now Iblis has become man's chief enemy, and is the leader of all the demons and evil jinn, who harass and torment mankind (Sura 15: 34-46).

The chief responsibility of the angels is to praise Allah, and to do his will. They do His will by watching over believers, interceding for them and aiding them in their battles (thousands were used at the great battle of Badr).

Many Muslims believe that all individuals on earth have two angels who are positioned above each of their shoulders, as 'recording angels'; one to record the good deeds man does, and the other to record his sins. At the time of death, two fierce black angels visit each corpse in the grave and ask him, "Who is thy Lord? What is thy religion?" and "Who is thy Prophet?" Depending on the response, the angels take the souls of the believers, and cause them to either fall into the fiery pit (Gahenna), or they send them across the razor sharp bridge, to paradise.

D2: The Christian Response

In the Bible there are many references to beings, other than men, who were created by God and were usually referred to as angels. They are God's messengers, and were often sent by God to make His will known to the prophets and to help believers.

Angels appeared in human form to Abraham, Moses and others. The names of only two of God's angels are given in the Bible: Michael and Gabriel. The angel Gabriel was the one who informed Mary that she would have a son named Jesus.

In addition to the holy angels who are obedient to God, we are told, in Scripture, that there are other created spiritual beings who were disobedient, who are enemies of God; the chief of whom is called Satan, the Devil, the dragon and serpent (Rev.12:3-9).

Many Christians think that Satan was created good, but because of pride disobeyed God. As a result, he, and the spirits who followed him, fell from their high and holy position in heaven. They are now doing all they can to destroy God's work on earth.

Satan deceived Eve in the Garden of Eden, and ever since he has been trying to turn people away from the living God. He even tried to persuade Jesus Christ to disobey God three times (in the wilderness), but failed.

Satan has great power, which is not equal to God, and in fact is limited by God. Thus, Christians do not need to fear him or his evil spirits who harm so many people, because of Satan's defeat through the historical death on the cross by the redeemer, Jesus Christ (Col.2:14,15). Because of that historical act, all believers have the strength, given by Christ, through the Holy Spirit, to resist and repel Satan and all his cohorts. God will finally cast Satan out of the earth and into the eternal fire, from where he will never bother man or God again.


E: Belief in the Day of Judgment

E1: The Muslim View

For a Muslim, sin is a private matter. The idea that one's sin is binding from one generation to the next does not exist. This is because Satan is the root of all sin; and Allah, who is all-merciful, will forgive those who ask for forgiveness. There is one sin, however, which is unforgivable, that of "shirk," the practice of associating anyone or anything with Allah.

Thus, the sin of Adam and Eve (Adam and Hauwa), was not really their fault, as they were tricked by Satan, and they asked for forgiveness. Furthermore, their sin is not hereditary. Adam, having repented, was made Allah's first messenger on earth. How could Allah entrust such a high office to an evildoer?

For the Muslim, salvation is attained not by faith, but by works, in observing the Five Pillars of Islamic practice, as well as avoiding the major and minor sins. Tradition indicates that on the Judgment Day, once the person is buried, the two recording angels appear, and the dead person sits up to undergo an examination. If he says the "Shahada" ("There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the apostle of Allah"), he lies down peacefully and awaits his judgment. If he refuses the "Shahada," he is severely beaten for as long as Allah pleases.

Each individual is then put on a scale where his good and bad deeds, taken from their "book of destiny," are weighed. Yet, Allah reserves the absolute right to send the individual to wherever He pleases. If the book is placed in his right hand he is saved and crosses a razor sharp bridge as narrow as a hair.

On the other side is paradise, a perfumed garden of material and sensual delights, surrounded by rivers and flowing fountains, populated with black-eyed virgins, who are there to serve them with all variety of fruits (Suras 47 & 56).

On the other hand, a vivid hell (Gahenna) awaits those who fail the above test, a hell which consists of boiling water, gore and fire, a hell of extreme physical pain (Suras 4, 38, & 50).

E2: The Christian Response

According to Scripture, any sin is an abomination to a holy God, because it is, in essence, a rejection of His character. We believe, as Muslims believe, that Satan does tempt us. Yet, we are responsible for our own sins, and not Satan. We have the choice to reject Satan's tempting. But, the Scripture insists throughout, that the wages of sin is death, and since we are all guilty, therefore, we all deserve death. God, however, in His mercy, has not left us in that guilt, but has offered payment and forgiveness for those who receive it. He has sent His Son to die in our place, to take upon Himself our guilt. Therefore, those who believe in His redeeming death on the cross, and repent of their sins, are saved from eternal separation (John 3:16,17); while those who reject Him will be eternally condemned.

Before His ascension into heaven, Christ promised to return a second time to judge the world. He warned his followers against false Christs and false prophets, saying that the whole world will know when He comes again; and that He will come as He was taken up (Acts 1:11). When He returns, He will raise all the dead to life (John 5:28-29), and will separate those who believe from those who reject, as a shepherd divides the sheep from the goats.

Those rejecting Christ, will live in eternal punishment, in total isolation from God; because, in rejecting God's Son, they have rejected God the Father and God the Holy Spirit as well, and no sin is greater than this (1 John 2:22-23).

Those who have truly believed in Christ the redeemer, will not fear Christ the Judge, and will have eternal life (John 5:22- 24; Acts 17:30-31). This does not mean that they will go into a garden full of carnal pleasures, which, as we know in this life, separates us from God, but they will go into the presence of God Himself, to live forever with Him in love and in joy. For, as it says in Revelation 21:1-7, "Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people,... He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain."


F: Belief in the Decrees or Predestination of God (Allah)

F1: The Muslim View

"Islam," the word, means submission to the will of Allah. A Muslim, therefore, is one who submits, much as a slave submits to his master. The reason for this submission is found in the belief that everything, including good and evil, faith and unbelief, is preordained. As a religion, Islam is a code of political, ceremonial, civil, and criminal law, as well as moral and religious precepts, all promulgated in Allah's name, while leaving nothing to the believer's initiative.

Muslims believe that Allah is in control of all of history. This belief embraces the doctrine of predestination, an acceptance of destiny, and resignation to fate (Kismet). Allah is sovereign. Thus, anything that happens is the will of Allah, and so is attributed to him. It explains why the phrase In sh'allah, "If Allah wills it," is so common in the Muslim world. For some, this idea that Allah has total control over history leads to fatalism and passivity. For others, it sets the mind at liberty from matters over which they have absolutely no control. Kismet makes the Muslim fanatically self-sacrificing in war, resigned in defeat, in bereavement and disaster, and inactive in the presence of preventable evil, such as epidemics, because these could be called the "Will of Allah."

Furthermore, Allah is not bound by any moral obligation, as this would limit his sovereignty. Therefore, it follows that Allah is also the author of evil. He is under no necessity of his nature, to be right or just or merciful. Allah does not will an act because it is good; rather, it is good because he has willed it.

F2: The Christian Response

For the Christian, God's attributes are found in His holiness, grace and love (1 John 4:16). For a Muslim, Allah "loves" only those who do His will. Yet, we find that the God of the Bible not only loves those who are good, but He loves those who are sinners as well, even to the point of giving His life for them. (Romans 5:1-10)

Unlike Allah of the Qur'an, who is portrayed as a distant God with whom no one can have a personal relationship, the Biblical view of God is one who very much wants a personal relationship with His creation (John 1:11-14;15:9-15).

In the Qur'an, as was mentioned above, Allah is considered as the author of evil. Yet, in the Bible we find just the opposite. God is infinitely righteous and holy (Psalm 77:13;99:9). His "eyes are too pure to look on evil" (Habakkuk 1:13).

If we take these three attributes of the Biblical God (a God of selfless love, in relationship with His creation, unable to create or accept evil), we will find in these three the relation- ship that He seeks with His creation as well.

God doesn't seek total blind obedience from His creation. This is not true love. True love seeks the best for the other at one's own expense. It is best exemplified in Christs' own sacrificial act on the cross. It is this love which God desires of us, both in our relationship with Him, and with others.

The Bible tells us that man was created in God's image (Genesis 2:27), a view which is in direct contrast to that of the Muslim ideal, of man as slave. Man was never created to be a slave to God, but was meant from the very beginning, to be His son, in perfect relationship with Him. This assumes, however, freedom of choice, in that man can accept to be in relationship with His creator, or reject Him.

And finally, by God's very nature, He cannot create nor tolerate evil. Thus, He has not brought about, nor can He tolerate the evilness of man. Sin is of man's own doing. But God has made a way by which sin can be forgiven, so that man can, once again, be brought back into relationship with God, as was intended from the very beginning, with Adam and Eve. Our fate, therefore, is never predestined. We can, by simply acknowledging Christ as our Lord and Saviour, be assured that we will be once more reunited with God, in heaven, for eternity.


G: Sources

A Guide to Islam, Angus Nicolson, Sterling Tract Enterprise, 1951 Islam-The Basic Truths, Ja'sfar S. Idris, Muslim Welfare House, London
A Christian's Response to Islam, W. M. Miller, Presbyterian & Reformed Publ. Co., Philipsburg, New Jersey, 1976
Beliefs and Practices of Christians, W.M.Miller, Masihi Isha'at Khana, Lahore, Pak.
Islam, A Christian Perspective, M.Nazir-Ali, Westminster Press, Philadelphia, 1983
Islam and Christianity, Badru Kateregga and David Shenk, Eerdmans, Grand Rapids, Mich., 1980


Index of topic


A Life of Prophet Muhammad: Lessons From Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment—Battle of The Trench and the Banu Qurayza Genocide (Part 6)

Muhammad's Paradise(Note: This is part 6 of a 7-part series: Read Part 1: A Life of the Prophet Muhammad: Lessons from Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment–When the Visionary Turns Criminal

Part 5: A Life of the Prophet Muhammad: Lessons from Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment–Battle of Uhud and a Series of Bloody Campaigns)

In 627 A.D., the Meccans, along with their major allies the Jewish Banu Nadir whom Muhammad had earlier expelled from their oasis, now mustered a large force of about 10 000 and set out to lay siege on Medina. The Muslims, with the help of a Persian convert resident in Medina, introduced a new tactic in defensive warfare. They dug trenches at points around Medina at which the city could be stormed by Meccan cavalry and fortified Medina. The Mecccans, inexperienced in such tactics of warfare, withdrew in frustration after a few weeks of the siege.

As soon as the Meccan siege was lifted, Muhammad resumed his bloody reprisals against groups that he accused of supporting the Meccans. His first victims were the Jewish Banu Qurayza settled in their oasis to the south of Medina. The truth acknowledged, even by Muslim historians, is that the Banu Qurayza had only entered into inconclusive negotiations with the Meccans while the siege lasted, otherwise, they had remained neutral. Muhammad, however, claimed that he had a vision in which he was informed of the conspiracy by the Banu Qurayza to kill him. The Muslims besieged the Jewish tribe for about three weeks. The Banu Qurayza surrendered to the Muslims after they had run out of supplies.

What followed is probably one of the most difficult incidents in the career of Muhammad for Muslim apologists to explain. After the Banu Qurayza had surrendered to the Muslims, Muhammad had all the men beheaded. A huge pit was dug and about 900 of the Banu Qurayza men were rounded up. Each man was forced to kneel before the trench with his hands tied behind his back and offered a choice between "Allah and the Sword." Only a few of the Jewish men chose Allah. The others were beheaded, one after the other, and their severed head and body thrown into the pit while their wives and children watched.

This incident has led to a controversy among Muslim historians. Some Muslim historians deny the wholesale killing of the Qurayza men, accusing the Muslim historian Ibn Ishaq of seeking information from the descendants of the Qurayza Jews whom they accused of fabricating the story. Western historians, however, detect an attempt by Muslim apologists to gloss over this horrific incident for it is known that the Muslims, after the slaughter of the Qurayza men, simply converted their women and girls into sex-slaves, an act which exemplifies the manner in which Muhammad acquired his harem of over thirteen "wives."

Muhammad meets Christian Monk Bahira

Muhammad's habit of acquiring wives, after subjecting them to the extreme trauma of watching their fathers, brothers and husbands slaughtered, has similarly been a subject of some embarrassment for Muslim historians. Muslim apologists have had to invent the lame excuse that Muhammad married such women in humanitarian gesture! But a philanthropism which requires you murder a woman's husband in her presence and then take sexual possession of the woman is a rather bizarre species of virtue, not to mention selective, given that the older and sexually undesirable women were usually simply either sold into slavery or held in slavery as menials.

Some of the more sexually desirable women in Muhammad's harem were acquired in his pursuit of "philanthropic" marital union. Juwayriya Bint Al-Harith, Rayhana Bint Zayd, Safiyya Bint Huyayy were all women he added to his harem in this manner. Juwayriyya was one of the about 500 women the Muslims acquired as spoils of war in the dispersal of the Jewish Banu Mustaliq. Juwayriyya herself was a daughter of the chief of the Banu Mustaliq. Muhammad had intended that those women who could be ransomed at a great price be returned, but during the night, after the battle, the Muslim men unable to resist the temptation of cheap sex got Muhammad's consent to use coitus interruptus (Arabic: Azl)  to prevent the spoils of war loosing ransom value through pregnancy. Muhammad, however, kept his own human booty as "wife." The Jewess Rayhana Bint Amr was similarly acquired after the murder of her husband, brothers and father in the Banu Qurayza slaughter. According to Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad took her as a sex-slave and offered her the privilege of becoming his wife if she would convert to Islam, but the traumatized girl refused. Ibn Sahid, on the authority of Waqidi, tells  us that she was latter manumitted and married to the "Prophet  of Allah." Saffiya Bint Huyayy was acquired after the slaughter of the Jews of Khaybar. Some accounts claim that Muhammad, unable to restrain his sexual desire for Saffiya, actually broke the Muslim law which required that Muslim men have to wait till a captive woman's next menstrual period had passed before taking sexual possession of the woman. Muhammad had actually taken the girl within hours of her capture in his legendary dedication to the humanitarian duty of saving sexually desirable captive women from widowhood. Another story claims that he actually waited the prescribed period before possessing the girl.

Read Part 7: A Life of Prophet Muhammad: Lessons from Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment–Truce with Mecca and Massacre of the Khaybar

Recommended Reading:

1. Alfred Guillaume. Life of Muhammad: A Translation of Ibn Ishaq's Surat Rasul Allah.

2. Barnaby Rogerson. The Prophet Muhammad: A Biography.  HiddenSpring, 2003

3. Alfred Guillaume. Traditions of Islam: An Introduction to the Study of Hadith Literature. Kessinger Publishing, LLC, 2003.

4. Hadith Literature: Its Origin Development and Special Features. Islamic Texts Society

5. Jonathan A.C. Brown. Hadith: Muhammad's Legacy in the Medieval and Modern World.

JohnThomas Didymus is the author of "Confession of God: The Gospel According to St. JohnThomas Didymus" (Read  a Free Three Chapters Excerpt)

 

Islam or Christianity? Jesus or Mohammed? Bible or Quran? Muslim or Christian?

Islam or Christianity?
Jesus or Muhammad? Christian Gospel or Muslim Qur’an?

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The religion of Islam claims that Muhammad (Mohammed) was as great a prophet as Jesus Christ, that the Qur’an (Koran or Quran) succeeded the New Testament, and that Muslim (Moslem) teachings should be followed instead of Christianity. In this study we compare the evidence for Islam to the evidence for Jesus as revealed in the Bible: fulfilled prophecy, miracles, and the resurrection. Was Jesus the Divine Son of God crucified to save us from our sins, or is there just one individual Being in God (Allah)?

Introduction:

The purpose of this study is to examine the beliefs of Islam and the teaching of Muhammad in the Qur’an, comparing these to the Bible and the gospel of Jesus Christ.

A Brief Summary of Islam

"Islam" is the proper term for the religion revealed by Muhammad (sometimes spelled Mohammed) in Arabia in the early 600's. "Islam" means "submission" (to the will of God). Adherents are called Muslims ("one who submits") (often one sees the word as "Moslem"). Arabians are descendants of Ishmael, so Islam claims to be a renewal of the ancient religion of Abraham traced through Ishmael.

Muhammad was born in Mecca, Arabia, about 570 AD. Orphaned at an early age, he was raised by his grandfather and then his uncle. His family was aristocratic and influential. He grew up in times of religious and political confusion and uncertainty. At age 25 he married a wealthy 40-year-old widow named Khadijah.

At age 40 he began claiming to receive dreams and revelations, but was unsure of their source. He quoted these revelations to others who wrote them down. His wife convinced him these were messages from God, as Muslims today believe. But non-Muslims believe he developed such a deep religious fervor, out of concern for the needs of the people, that he began having dreams about religion and attributed them to God.

Rejected at first by the people of Mecca, he fled to Medina where he became a religious and political leader. By a series of violent battles he obtained income and converted people to Islam. Eventually he returned to Mecca and captured it by force.

When he died at age 63-65, a power struggle developed regarding who should succeed him. Several sects resulted, the major two being Sunni Muslims and Shiite Muslims. We will mainly consider Sunni Muslims (by far the larger group), though many of the same points would apply to other forms of Islam. Nevertheless, we should remember that there are wide variations among Muslims, just as there are among those claiming to be Christians.

Relationship of Islam to Judaism and The Gospel of Christ

Islam claims to believe in the same God as Jews and Christians, the God of Abraham, revealed in the Old Testament. Muslims generally claim that “Allah” is just their name for the God of the Bible. Significant differences exist, however, regarding how the religions view Jesus Christ. 

All three religions began from the work of major individual prophets. Jews' beliefs were revealed by Moses, Christians' by Jesus, and Muslims' by Muhammad. Islam recognizes both Moses and Jesus as prophets (along with other Bible prophets), but it claims that Muhammad is the last of the prophets and his revelation supersedes those of Moses and Jesus.

All are based on written revelations claimed to be infallibly inspired by God. The Jews accept only the Old Testament, Christians also accept the New Testament, and Muslims accept the Qur’an (they also have great respect for Muslim traditions). Just as Christians believe the Old Testament was inspired but was replaced by the New Testament, so Muslims believe the Old and New Testaments were inspired but were both replaced by the Qur’an. (Note that Qur’an has also commonly been spelled Koran or Quran.)

For these reasons many similarities exist among Judaism, the gospel, and Islam. Yet we will see that essential differences also exist.

Note - In this study we have mainly relied on the following sources about Islam:

The Qur’an (references are cited according to the printing I own).
Encyclopedia Britannica (abbreviated EB), articles on "Islam," "Muhammad," and "Qur’an."
World's Religions (abbr. WR), edited by Norman Anderson.
Christian's Response to Islam, (abbr. CRI), by William Miller.

Also other miscellaneous sources as noted.

(Note: This study refers several times to a lesson about "Evidences," which summarizes the evidence for God, Jesus, and the Bible. It can be accessed from our website at www.gospelway.com/instruct/.)


Part I: Basic Doctrines


Since Islam claims to accept the Old and New Testaments, if its doctrines are true then they ought to harmonize with the Bible. So let us examine some basic doctrines of Islam and compare them to the Bible.


I. The Doctrine of God


Islam correctly opposes idolatry and teaches that there is only one God. But more is needed (James 2:19). So consider further:

A. Islam Says Jesus Is Not Divine.

Muhammad taught there is only one Divine Being in God. He denied the Deity of Jesus, saying He was just a man - a great prophet, but not the Divine Son of God. (Qur’an 4:162-171; 6:100,101; 19:88-92)

The Bible says Jesus is Divine.

John 1:1,14 - Jesus (the Word) was God, was with God in the beginning, and became flesh to dwell among men as a man.

Colossians 2:9 - In Jesus dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

John 20:28,29 - Thomas called Jesus "my Lord and my God." Jesus pronounced a blessing on all others who believe the same (cf. vv 30,31).

How can Muslims deny these teachings and yet claim to believe the Bible is true and Jesus was a prophet?

[Phil. 2:6-8; Heb. 1:8,9; Tit. 2:13; Isa. 9:6; John 8:58; 5:23]

The Bible says Jesus is the Only-Begotten Son of God.

Matthew 16:13-17 - During His lifetime many people believed what Muslims today believe: that Jesus was a great prophet like other prophets. But Peter confessed that Jesus was not just a man but was the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus Himself affirmed that Peter's statement had been revealed by God.

John 10:35 - Jesus plainly admitted that He had said, "I am the Son of God."

Matthew 17:5; 3:17 - Twice God spoke from heaven and claimed Jesus as His beloved Son. Bible writers claimed to be eyewitnesses that these things were true (2 Peter 1:16-18).

Romans 1:4 - The resurrection declared Jesus to be the Son of God.

To believe that Jesus was just a great man and a prophet is to belittle Him and to deny His own statements. To believe some other man was as great as Jesus is to blaspheme Him. If Jesus spoke the truth, then He was more than a prophet.

Muslims must either admit that Jesus was the Divine Son of God, or else they must admit they do not believe that Jesus and the Bible are true.

[John 3:16; 1:14; 3:18; 1 John 4:9; Colossians 1:15,18; Eph. 1:19-22; 1 Corinthians 15:23-28]

The Bible says Jesus has Divine characteristics.

He was eternal - Micah 5:2 [Isa. 9:6]

He was all-knowing - John 16:30; 21:17

He was all-powerful over created things - Matt. 28:18; Rev. 19:16; 17:14; Acts 10:36; Rom. 10:12; John 3:31; Rom. 9:5.

How could these characteristics be possessed by a mere man? Are these things true of Muhammad? If not, then how could he be as great as Jesus?

The Bible says Jesus is the Creator of the universe and the Judge of mankind.

John 1:3 - All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. [Heb. 1:2; Col. 1:16,17]

John 5:22,23 - The Father has committed all judgment to the Son.

2 Corinthians 5:10 - Jesus will be our judge; we must all appear before Him. Jesus will be Muhammad's judge! How can Muhammad be as great? [Acts 17:31; Matt. 25:31ff]

What mere human prophet could create the universe or judge all mankind? Muhammad makes no such claims. These are the claims of a Divine Being. How can Muslims deny these teachings and yet claim to believe the Bible is true and Jesus was a prophet?

The Bible says Jesus accepted worship.

Jesus taught that no one but God should be worshipped (Matt. 4:10). Both men and angels in the New Testament refused to allow people to bow in worship to them (Acts 10:25,26; Rev. 22:8,9).

Matthew 28:9,17; Hebrews 1:6 - However, Jesus' disciples worshipped Him, and angels are commanded by God to worship Him. [Cf. Rev. 5:12-14; Luke 24:52]

Jesus accepted worship such as was forbidden to man. How can Islam believe the Bible and believe Jesus was from God, while denying that He deserved worship? When they claim that Jesus was just a human prophet and that Muhammad was as great a prophet as Jesus, the Scripture says they are unbelievers (John 20:30,31; 8:24; Mark 16:16).

Islam is like a man who views a building from a great distance. He can tell there is only one building, but a closer view would reveal that it has three stories. So Islam correctly affirms there is only one God, but the greater revelation of New Testament shows that this one God consists of three separate and distinct individual spirit Beings.

(Note carefully:  Further evidence can be obtained about the claims of Jesus, the evidence that those claims are true, and the number of individuals in the Godhead from the links at the end of this study.)

B. Islam Says Men Cannot Conceive What God Is Like because He Has Not Revealed Himself.

Of course we cannot grasp fully the infinite nature of God, but Islam says it is impossible to have even a general concept of God's character [WR-115; CRI-44,74]. But the Bible says:

John 1:18 - Though man has not seen God, Jesus knows Him and has declared Him.

John 14:9,10 - We can know what the Father is like because Jesus and His Father are perfectly united. To know what Jesus is like is to know what the Father is like.

Hebrews 1:3 - Jesus is the express image of the substance of His Father. [Col. 1:15; Matt. 11:27]

The fuller knowledge of God, which Islam lacks, is found in the revelation given by Jesus Christ.

Although Islam teaches there is one God, it still teaches error about God, for it denies the Deity of Jesus and ignores the Bible revelation of God's nature. How can Muslims deny these teachings and yet claim to believe the Bible is true and Jesus was a prophet?


II. The Doctrine of Revelation


Muhammad said the New Testament and Jesus were from God, but his own teachings were better and replaced the New Testament. However, note the claims of the New Testament regarding itself.

A. The New Testament Is a Complete Revelation of All God's Will.

John 16:13 - Jesus promised His apostles would receive all truth. Any teaching that a man claims to reveal from God, if it is not in the New Testament, it is not a part of God's truth. [John 14:26]

2 Peter 1:3 - God's power has granted all things that pertain to life and godliness through the knowledge of Jesus. What is left for Muhammad to provide?

James 1:25 - The gospel is the perfect law of liberty.

The teachings of Islam claim to be superior to the gospel. But how can one improve on that which is perfect and which contains all truth and all things pertaining to life and godliness. [Acts 20:20,27; 2 Tim. 3:16,17; Matt. 28:18-20]

B. The New Testament Universally Meets the Needs of All Men.

The gospel provides what all men of all ages need in order to have a proper relationship to God.

Mark 16:15 - It is to be preached to everyone in all the world. [Matthew 28:19]

Romans 1:16 - It is God's power to save everyone who believes, Jew on non-Jew.

The gospel of Christ is sufficient to give all men eternal life (John 20:30,31; Acts 2:39; 10:34f). No man in any future age will need any further revelation than the gospel. What more could Muhammad provide?

C. The New Testament Is God's Final Revelation to Man.

The Old Testament predicted that another testament would replace it (Jer. 31:31-34). This promise was fulfilled in the New Testament. However, the New Testament does not, in turn, predict that it will be replaced by the teachings of Muhammad or any other Divine revelation. Instead it teaches that it is itself the final revelation. [Heb. 13:20f; 7:11-28; 8:6-13; 12:18-29]

1 Corinthians 13:8-11

This passage discusses spiritual gifts, which were the means by which prophets received revelation (cf. chap. 12). It says these gifts, including prophecy, would cease when "that which is perfect is come." They would cease because they were "in part" - incomplete and imperfect.

Note: "That which is perfect" is contrasted to the spiritual gifts, which were "in part." "That which is perfect" refers to something that completes or perfects what was incomplete or imperfect about spiritual gifts.

In what way were the gifts (including prophecy) "in part"? The only Scriptural answer is that, at the time Paul wrote, the gifts had only partially accomplished their purpose. They had been given in order to reveal or deliver the will of God. But that delivery was not yet complete when Paul wrote - the will of God had not all been revealed and recorded.

"That which is perfect," therefore, must be the completion of that which was lacking in the spiritual gifts: it must be the completed revelation of truth. When the process of revelation was complete and all truth had been completely delivered and recorded in writing, then the gifts of prophecy would no longer be needed and so they would cease. But we have already shown that this happened during the lifetime of the original apostles (see above and note the "perfect law of liberty - Jas. 1:25).

The gift of prophecy was needed in an age when people did not yet have the complete written word to guide them. When the word was completely recorded by Jesus' apostles and prophets, then prophecy would have completed its purpose and so would cease. By the time Muhammad lived, the gift of prophecy was no longer needed and had long since ceased.

Jude 3

The faith was "once for all delivered to the saints" (NKJV). "Once" is "used of what is so done as to be of perpetual validity and never need repetition" (Thayer). The same Greek word describes Jesus' death in Heb. 9:26,28; 10:10; 7:26,27; 1 Pet. 3:18, which teach that Jesus' death will not be repeated.

Old Testament sacrifices did not completely remove sins, so they had to be repeated. But the death of Jesus was perfect and sufficient to completely remove all sin for all men of all ages; so it happened only "once." There was no repetition.

Likewise, the true faith was delivered only "once." The gift of prophecy was needed as long as God's perfect testament had not been perfectly and completely revealed. But that perfect testament was completely delivered to men in the first century. It does not need to be delivered again, so it never will be delivered again. Therefore, the spiritual gifts by which it was delivered have ceased.

Everything Jesus did was perfect. He not only gave us a perfect sacrifice for sin, He also gave us the perfect New Testament to tell us how to receive forgiveness (Heb. 1:1,2; Jas. 1:25). Neither His sacrifice nor the revelation of His will can ever be repeated or improved.

To claim that Muhammad or any other man received later revelations or a better revelation is to deny the perfection of the New Testament.

Galatians 1:8,9

Having completely revealed His will in the first century, God preserved it for all future generations (1 Pet. 1:23-25; 3 John 2; Matt. 24:35; John 12:48). God's word here says that if any man preaches a different gospel, he stands under the curse of God.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is a perfect and complete revelation, given by God to guide all people until the end of time. So God forbids anyone to teach a different religious doctrine. (Matthew 15:9,13; 2 John 9-11; Colossians 3:17; Revelation 22:18,19; 1 Timothy 1:3; 2 Timothy 1:13)

Men have always wanted to change God's will, hoping they could improve it or make it more suitable to themselves. Men who attempt this have often claimed to be prophets from God, but God has always warned us to beware of false prophets and resist them (1 John 4:1; Matt. 7:15ff; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; etc.).

So we have evidence that God authorized the New Testament to replace the Old Testament, but we have no such evidence that God authorized the teachings of Muhammad to replace the New Testament. Since Muhammad's revelation is different from the gospel, the above passages show that we must resist his message, for the curse of God is on it.


III. The Doctrine of Salvation


A. Islam Denies the Sacrificial Death of Jesus and His Resurrection.

Islam denies that Jesus was crucified, that He died as a sacrifice for sin, and that He arose from the dead. (Qur’an 4:156,157)

The Bible teaches Jesus did die by crucifixion as a sacrifice for the sins of mankind.

Matthew 20:17-19 - Jesus predicted He would be crucified, then rise again.

Matthew 26:28 - He claimed that He would shed His blood for the remission of man's sins. [20:28]

John 19:31-35 - John claimed to be an eyewitness to Jesus' crucifixion. [Acts 2:23]

Ephesians 1:7 - Redemption and forgiveness are through His blood.

1 Peter 2:24 - He bore our sins in His body on the tree.

Hebrews 2:9 - He tasted of death for every man.

If Islam denies these statements from Jesus and the Bible, how can it yet claim to believe the Bible is from God and Jesus was a true teacher?

[Mark 8:31; Matt. 16:21; Rev. 1:5; 5:9; 1 Tim. 2:4-6; 1 Pet. 1:18f; Isa. 53:5-9; 1 Cor. 15:3; John 1:29; Heb. chap. 9:24-28; 10:9-13; 13:20f; Rom. 5:6-11; 2 Cor. 5:14,15]

The Bible teaches that Jesus was raised from the dead, as proved by the testimony of eyewitnesses.

Matthew 20:17-19 - Jesus predicted He would be crucified and then rise again. [Matt. 16:21]

Luke 24:44-46 - Jesus taught that His death and resurrection was a fulfillment of prophecy.

Romans 1:4 - Jesus is declared to be the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead.

1 Corinthians 15:3-8 - He died for our sins, was buried, and arose as prophesied and as testified by eyewitnesses who saw Him alive.

The resurrection of Jesus is absolutely fundamental to the claims of Jesus and the gospel. The apostles repeatedly affirmed it to be true on the basis of eyewitness testimony. This is proof such as neither Islam nor any other religion can offer.

[Romans 10:9,10; 6:4-13; 1 Corinthians 6:14; 15:1-26; John 20:24-31; Acts 2:23-36; 17:30,31; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Peter 1:3,4; 3:21; 2 Corinthians 5:15; Ephesians 1:19,20; Colossians 2:12,13]

The Bible teaches that salvation can be obtained only through Jesus.

John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

Acts 4:12 - "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

We can only be saved through Jesus, no other way. Islam denies salvation through Jesus. Therefore, Islam cannot save and Muslims have no way to be saved.

The Old Testament had animal sacrifices. The New Testament has the superior, perfect sacrifice of Jesus. But, Islam has no sacrifice for sin at all. Without a sacrifice for sin, there can be no remission (Heb. 9:22). It follows that Islam not only is not a superior system, but it cannot save at all.

B. Islam Teaches Salvation by Law-Keeping without Sacrifice.

Islam offers only a vague concept of how man is saved. Evil is balanced against good, and if good outweighs, a person might be saved. Outward obedience is emphasized, not faith, love, or the condition of ones heart. [CRI-81f,84f]

The Bible teaches that all have sinned, and even one sin leads to eternal punishment.

Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

James 2:10 - For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

This is why we need a sacrifice. No matter how much good we have done, it can never outweigh the evil of our sin.

Islam's approach to righteousness is even less effective than that of the Old Testament.

Galatians 3:10 - Under the Old Testament, anyone who disobeyed in any point was under a curse.

Galatians 5:1,4 - The law was a yoke of bondage in which we should not again be entangled. To seek justification by the law is to fall from grace.

The law itself provided justification only for those who lived without ever sinning, and no one did that (except Jesus). This is why God replaced the Old Testament with the New. But Islam, like the Old Testament, is a system of strict law keeping. Islam does not even have the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament.

So Islam claims to be better than the New Testament, when in reality it is worse than the Old Testament! To accept it is to return to a yoke of bondage, having no hope for salvation.

[Romans 3:20; Gal. 2:16; Heb. 8:6-13; 10:1-18; Acts 15:10]


Part II: Muhammad vs. Jesus


Since Islam claims that Muhammad is a prophet like Jesus, but his revelation replaces Jesus' gospel, let us compare their character, claims, and proofs.


I. Claims


Consider what we can learn simply by observing the claims of Muhammad and Jesus.

A. Islam

Muslims claim that Muhammad was as great a prophet as Moses and Jesus, but he was the last of the prophets and his revelation replaced that of Jesus. Islam claims that the exact words of the Qur’an were given to Muhammad by the angel Gabriel, and therefore the Qur’an is verbally inspired. [Qur’an 2:97-99; p. xv]

Islam claims Jesus was a great prophet, but not Divine and not the unique Son of God. It admits Jesus did miracles, but denies He died as a substitutionary sacrifice to save people from their sins or that He arose from the dead. (Qur’an, 4:162-171; 6:100,101)

B. The Gospel

We earlier studied passages where the gospel claims Jesus was more than a prophet: He was in fact the Divine Son of God who died to save men from their sins and then arose from the dead. The gospel of Jesus offers eyewitness testimony as proof.

Note that, whereas Muhammad made the general claim to as great as Jesus, the actual specific claims of Jesus were greater than any Muhammad ever made.

Note carefully: If Jesus’ claims are true, then Muhammad cannot be as great as Jesus, because Jesus’ claims were clearly greater. On the other hand, if Jesus’ claims are false, then Islam is still untrue, since it claimed that Jesus was a true prophet and a true prophet would never make false claims. So, either way, all that is needed to prove Islam false is to prove that Jesus really made the claims recorded in the Bible!

Islam, therefore, denies Jesus ever made these claims. We have cited passages where He made the claims, but Islam denies those passages are genuine – the Bible did not originally include these statements. So we must consider whether or not the Bible is an accurate record. And we must compare the evidence for Muhammad’s claims to the evidence Jesus’ claims. Anyone can make claims. What proof is there? We will observe these as we proceed.


II. Character


A. Jesus

The New Testament repeatedly claims Jesus never sinned (Hebrews 4:15; 1 Peter 2:22; etc.).

Muslims generally admit Jesus never sinned. The Qur’an nowhere claims that He sinned.

So we are agreed that Jesus was a person of pure morals, wisdom, courage, love, and every other quality of goodness.

B. Muhammad

Many Muslims claim that Muhammad also never sinned. But compare his life to Jesus’ life:

Violence and assassination

Muhammad used violence, including assassination, to defeat and convert those who opposed Islam (Qur’an 9:1-15,29). Some claim that Muhammad meant to fight only against those who first attacked or mistreated Muslims (Qur’an xxiv).

But Jesus converted people by teaching, persuasion, and example. He never used force, nor would He allow His disciples to use force, not even when His enemies attacked Him (Matthew 26:47-54). So who was greater, Jesus or Muhammad?

Polygamy

Jesus taught that a man could have only one wife for life (except in the case of fornication (Matthew 19:3-9; Romans 7:2,3).

Muhammad taught that men could have plural wives. He himself had 12 wives and 2 concubines at the time of his death. (Qur’an 4:3; 33:19-52; CRI-32)

Revelations for personal convenience and benefit

* Muhammad revealed that men could have plural wives, but not more than four at a time (Qur’an 4:3). However, a special revelation said that he himself could have more than 4 wives. He had 12 when he died, plus two concubines. (Qur’an 33:49-52)

* He revealed that no man could marry his own daughter-in-law. Then a special revelation allowed him to take the wife of his adopted son. (Qur’an 33:37)

* The Encyclopedia Britannica reveals that Arabs once starved him, because they opposed his teaching against idolatry. He then received a "revelation" condoning idolatry. As soon as they released him, he reversed the revelation and again said idolatry was wrong. [EB, XV-647]

Need for rebukes and forgiveness

The introduction to my Qur’an says: "Moreover, the Prophet is sometimes even censured in the Qur’an" and lists as examples 9:43; 80:1-11 (p. xv). In fact Muhammad admitted he needed forgiveness from God (Qur’an 9:43).

Yet where is Jesus ever censured by God in the New Testament? Even Muhammad never claimed that Jesus sinned. [CRI-26,50; WR-99]

So God never rebuked Jesus, yet even Muslims and Muhammad himself admit God did censure Muhammad. And Christians and Muslims agree Jesus was sinless, but Muhammad needed God’s forgiveness. So how can Muhammad be as good as Jesus?

Based on their character then, who was greater: Muhammad or Jesus?


III. Fulfilled Prophecy


Jesus unquestionably fulfilled many Old Testament prophecies, and He Himself accurately predicted future events (see our study on evidences). What about Muhammad?

A. Islam Claims that the Bible Was Changed to Disprove Muhammad.

Sometimes Muslims take prophecies that were actually fulfilled by Jesus and mistakenly claim that those prophecies refer to Muhammad. Other times Muslims claim that the Bible once contained other prophecies Muhammad fulfilled, but Jews and Christians changed their own Scriptures to remove these prophecies and destroy the evidence. [CRI-27,49f,70f,78; WR-101]

For example John 16:7 predicts the coming of the "Comforter." Muslims claim this originally used the word "praised," which is the meaning of Muhammad. But to cover it up, the Scriptures were changed. [CRI-78; WR-101]

But where is the proof of these changes in the Bible? As noted earlier, Muslims also argue that the Bible was changed to make it appear that Jesus was the Son of God, that he died for our sins and arose from the dead, etc. Where is the proof of these changes? There is none. However, there is much proof for the accuracy of the Bible.

The claims of Islam would require wholesale changes in the Scriptures.

For example, the context of John 16:7 plainly states that the "Comforter" is the Holy Spirit (John 14:16,17, 26; and 15:26). If this originally referred to Muhammad, major changes must have been made in the text.

We have also cited Scriptures claiming Jesus was the Son of God and many other teachings that contradict Islam. We have in fact cited dozens of Scriptures that clearly contradict Muslim teachings, and these are just a fraction of what could be cited. If the Bible has been changed on all these points in order to disprove Islam, then wholesale changes must have been made.

The Bible promises that God would preserve His word forever.

1 Peter 1:23-25 - God’s word is incorruptible seed that will live and abide forever. It will not be like grass that grows and then fades.

2 John 2 - The truth will be with us forever.

The consequence of Muslim teaching is that God failed to keep these promises and allowed the Bible message to become thoroughly corrupted.

Interestingly, the Qur’an contains similar promises that God would preserve it from corruption (15:9). If Muslims believe God preserved the Qur’an without corruption, why would He not do the same for the Bible, which they also agree is from God?

Further, the Qur’an claims to confirm the Scripture that Jews and Christians had (2:89). But the Bible we have today is the same as existed in Muhammad’s day, so did the Qur’an confirm a corrupted Bible?

[See also 119:152,160; Isaiah 40:8; 30:8; John 12:48; 2 Peter 1:12-15.]

The Bible repeatedly rebukes those who change its message.

Deuteronomy 4:2; Proverbs 3:5,6; Galatians 1:8,9; Revelation 22:18,19 and many other passages condemn changing the Scriptures. If Jews and Christians changed their Scriptures, as Muslims claim they did, then they knowingly and repeatedly violated these passages in their own Scriptures.

Instead, because of these warnings, both Jews and Christians have shown great care in making copies of their Scriptures through the centuries. Work was checked repeatedly, counting numbers of words and letters on each page, and proofreading each page to make sure no changes occurred. So why would they deliberately change their Scriptures just to disprove Islam?

As a result, many ancient manuscripts verify the accuracy of the Bible as we have it today.

* Several copies of the New and Old Testaments date before the time of Muhammad.

* Some translations of the Scriptures date long before the time of Muhammad.

* Scriptural quotations exist in the writings of many men who lived long before Muhammad.

If the claims of Islam are true, then these Scriptures were changed after Muhammad came. So all these Scriptures that predate Muhammad should read as Islam claims that they originally read before they were "changed." But instead, all these ancient sources read just like modern copies of the Scriptures. There is no evidence of any kind that changes were made after Muhammad lived.

How could it be that dozens of passages in all the copies of the Scriptures that existed in Muhammad’s time were found and changed, all at the same time and all in the same way, just to disprove Islam? Why can’t Muslims produce some manuscripts that still contain the passages Islam says existed? Why didn’t ancient Muslims find some of these manuscripts and save them? Why is it that we have so much evidence of the ancient content of the Bible, and none of the evidence agrees with Islam?

If the Jews changed their Scriptures to eliminate prophecies of Muhammad, why did they not do the same with the prophecies of Jesus?

Old Testament prophecy is one of the strongest proofs of Jesus’ identity. Christians do not have to claim that these prophecies once existed but were removed. They are all right there in the Old Testament!

Jesus and His apostles respected and used the Jews’ Old Testament Scriptures. They claimed the Scriptures were from God and quoted them just as they were. They never needed to claim that parts of the Scriptures were changed.

Why can’t Muslims do the same? What motive would Jews have for removing the prophecies of Muhammad but not the ones of Jesus?

The fact remains that Christians have proof of hundreds of prophecies in the Jews’ Old Testament as it exists now that Jesus fulfilled. Yet Muslims can find no prophecies fulfilled by Muhammad anywhere in the Bible. They claim Muhammad is as great as Jesus. Why then do they not have evidence as great as what we have for Jesus?

(For further discussion of the accuracy of the preservation of the Bible, see our study on that subject at www.gospelway.com/instruct – see the section on the Bible.)

B. There Is No Evidence Muhammad Could Predict the Future.

Unquestionably Jesus accurately predicted the future regarding His death and resurrection, the destruction of Jerusalem, etc. Even Islam admits Jesus was a prophet. The ability to predict the future is one proof of a prophet. Yet Muhammad rarely attempted to predict the future, and when he did he failed.

The Encyclopedia Britannica claims Muhammad predicted there would be 73 sects of Islam, of which only one would survive. But Muslims admit there have been far more than 73. And today many sects, not just one, still survive. [EB, XII-711]

Deuteronomy 18:21,22 - When a man predicts the future and the prediction fails, he is not from God, so do not be afraid of him.

Both Moses and Jesus made many predictions, all of which came true, none failed. Islam claims that Muhammad was a prophet like Moses and Jesus; yet Muhammad made few predictions, and even so he failed. How then can Muhammad be a prophet like Moses and Jesus?


IV. Miracles


A. Many Eyewitnesses Testify that Jesus Did Miracles.

The Bible records many testimonies from people who saw His miracles (see evidences study).

Even Jesus’ enemies and opponents during His lifetime admitted He did miracles.

The Qur’an confirms that Jesus performed signs (2:253).

So, there can be no doubt that Jesus did miracles. Muslims and Christians alike agreed that He did. But remember that the purpose of His miracles was to confirm that His claims are true.

B. What Evidence Is There that Muhammad Worked Miracles?

No eyewitnesses testify that they saw Muhammad do miracles.

Most learned Muslims make no serious claims that there is eyewitness testimony that Muhammad did miracles. When people do make such claims, they base them, not on eyewitness testimony, but on tradition or fables written years after the alleged events.

For example, one night Muhammad was allegedly carried to Jerusalem and from there ascended into heaven to see wonderful visions. However, no one saw it happen. His wife says he never left the bed. [CRI-24]

There is absolutely no eyewitness testimony to confirm any miracles done by Muhammad.

Muslims commonly claim that the writing of the Qur’an is a miracle.

We will see later that it is entirely possible for human wisdom to write such a book.

Nevertheless, this is an invalid use of miracles. As demonstrated by the miracles of Moses and Jesus, true miracles are events, in addition to the delivery of a revelation, done for the purpose of confirming the revelation to be from God (see references under evidences). While we should examine the revelation itself for evidence, that is a separate argument from miracles.

When one claims that the revelation itself is a miracle to confirm the revelation, he proves that he does not understand the purpose of miracles.

Others claim the rapid growth of Islam is a miracle.

Islam did grow very rapidly, but much of it came by military conquest. If that proves Islam is from God, then consider the conquests of Alexander the Great, Napoleon, Hitler, and Nebuchadnezzar? Do the military conquests of these men confirm that their religious beliefs were revealed from God?

Islam claims to believe in Moses and the Old Testament and in Jesus and the gospel. We have overwhelming evidence that Moses and Jesus did miracles to confirm the Divine origin of their revelations - evidence so clear even their enemies and Muslims admit the miracles. If Muhammad’s teachings replace Moses’ and Jesus’ teachings, then Muhammad must also have done miracles like Moses and Jesus did. But Muhammad’s evidence is insignificant compared to that of Moses and Jesus. How then can Muhammad be a prophet like Moses and Jesus?


V. Resurrection from the Dead


A. Jesus’ Resurrection Is the Greatest Miracle of All.

Many eyewitnesses testify to Jesus’ resurrection (see article on evidences). Muslims admit Jesus did other miracles, but deny He arose. Yet the evidence for the resurrection is far more abundant and convincing than the evidence for any other miracle He did.

The evidence for the resurrection is recorded in many ancient copies of the Scriptures written before Muhammad’s time. There is no evidence that these records were corrupted in later years. Yet Muslims, who came some 600 years after Jesus, deny the eyewitness testimony.

B. Muslims Do Not Even Claim Muhammad Arose from the Dead.

Muslims hope someday they and Muhammad will be raised from the dead, but their hope is based on the teaching of a man in His grave. Many Muslims visit Muhammad’s tomb in Medina. Muslims would dearly love to have evidence that their prophet did miracles like the evidence Christians have for the resurrection. But the evidence for Muhammad’s miracles is missing.

The Christian hope is based on One who arose to prove that we will all be raised. Muslims try to discredit the evidence of Jesus’ resurrection, but that evidence is far more conclusive than any evidence that Muhammad did any miracles. How then can Muhammad be a prophet as great as Jesus?


VI. Unity of Scripture


A proof of the Bible is the unity of its teaching. Though some 40 different men penned its various books, yet these writings are completely harmonious with no contradictions. There are no conflicts in history or geography between the Old and New Testaments. Gospel writers often use Old Testament prophecy and teaching to confirm that the New Testament fulfilled the Old. This is evidence that it is all the product of the mind of God, just like it claims.

A. Muhammad’s Teaching Often Contradicts with the Bible.

We might expect the Qur’an to differ in some doctrines from the gospel, since Muslims claim the Qur’an replaced the gospel. But since they claim to believe the Bible, there should be no conflict in history or eternal principles. Yet note some examples: [CRI-48; WR-95; EB, XIII-483]

* Muhammad said Jesus’ death was not a crucifixion, He did not die as a sacrifice for the sins of others, and He did not rise from the dead (Qur’an 4:162-171). The Bible teaches all these as fact (see above).

* Muhammad said Jesus was not Divine and not the Son of God (Qur’an 4:162-171; 6:100,101; 19:88-92), but the Bible teaches that He was (see above).

* Muhammad thought Christians believe that the Godhead consists of the Father, Son, and Mary, whereas actually it is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. [CRI-73; WR-101]

* The Qur’an says one of Noah’s sons refused to enter the ark and so drowned in the flood (11:41-43), but the Bible says all his sons were spared (Gen. 7:1-7; 1 Peter 3:20).

* The Qur’an says Lot’s wife stayed behind and perished among the people of Sodom (26:169-172), whereas the Bible says she fled but looked back and was turned to a pillar of salt (Gen. 19:15,16,26).

* The Qur’an says John the Baptist’s father was speechless for 3 days as a sign from the angel (3:39-41), but the Bible says he was speechless at least nine months from before the time his wife conceived till the baby was born (Luke 1:13,20,24,57-64).

* The Qur’an teaches men today may practice polygamy and divorce for any cause (Qur’an – 4:3,20; 33:19-52; 2:229-232). Jesus said this was allowed under the Old Testament only because of the hardness of men’s hearts, but would not be allowed under the New Testament (Matt. 19:3-9). Islam claims Muhammad’s revelation is greater than Jesus, yet it returns to the moral standard of those whose hearts were hardened!

* The Qur’an teaches there will be marriage in heaven (52:178-20; 44:51-57), but Jesus said there is not (Matt. 22:30).

Again, Muslim’s try to rationalize these contradictions by claiming that the Qur’an has been preserved accurately but the Bible has been perverted. So, whenever there is conflict, the Bible is wrong and the Qur’an is right.

Yet consider again how much of the Bible this means has been corrupted. And remember that God promised He would not let His word be destroyed. There is no historical evidence that the Bible has been corrupted and much evidence that it has not been. If God can preserve the Qur’an without allowing it to be corrupted, why can He not preserve the Bible in the same way? (See above).

Christians also claim to believe the Old Testament, but in order to prove our case we never need to argue that the Old Testament has been corrupted. On the contrary, Jesus and His apostles and all Christians take the Old Testament, just as it is, and use it to substantiate our case (Acts 17:1-3,11; see article on evidences).

Islam claims to believe in both the Old and New Testament. Yet to make their case, they must repeatedly claim that the Old and New Testaments are corrupt. Why can’t they prove their claim, using the Bible as we have it, like Christians can do using the Old Testament? Why must they discredit the very messages they claim are from God?

B. Muhammad’s Teaching Contradicts Itself.

The Bible does not contradict itself, despite being written by 40 different men from widely different circumstances. Just one man wrote the Qur’an so, if it had no self-contradictions, it would prove little. However, it turns out that this one man did contradict himself.

* Muhammad commanded his disciples to use violence against those who reject Islam, yet he said compulsion should not be practiced in the name of religion (Qur’an 9:1-15,29; cf. 2:256) .

* He forbade the use of images, then under threat of starvation he excused it, then later he again condemned it (see above).

* The Encyclopedia Britannica says Muhammad first taught men to pray facing Jerusalem, then later said they must pray facing Mecca. [EB, XV-647]

* According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, Muhammad admitted having changed his doctrine. Muslim commentators themselves admit some 5-50 examples of such. [EB, XIII-483]

Jesus’ teachings harmonize with all previous Divine revelation, never claiming that previous Scriptures were corrupted. But Muhammad’s teaching conflicts with previous revelation that he admits was from God. Jesus never changed His teaching and never contradicted Himself (1 Cor. 1:13), but Muhammad contradicted himself and changed his teachings several times. How then can Muhammad be a prophet as great as Jesus?

Conclusion

Muslims make many claims, but there is no real proof that Islam is true. Anyone can make claims. Proving them is another matter. Christians accept Jesus and His gospel, but reject Muhammad and Islam, on the basis of proof. The evidence shows that:

* Jesus was sinless but Muhammad committed sin.

* Jesus’ teaching agrees with itself, but the teachings of Muhammad contradict themselves.

* Jesus’ teachings harmonize with, and His claims are substantiated by, all Divine revelation that went before Him. He and His followers never discredit previous revelation. Muhammad’s teachings are not substantiated by prior revelation but contradict it, so Muslims repeatedly discredit prior revelations, while still claiming that those revelations were from God.

* Jesus fulfilled many Old Testament prophecies, but Muslims cannot prove Muhammad ever fulfilled any.

* Jesus made predictions of the future that came true, but Muhammad made none that were fulfilled and at least one that failed.

* Jesus performed miracles as attested by eyewitnesses, but there is no eyewitness proof that Muhammad ever did any miracle.

* Jesus arose from the dead as attested by witnesses, but Muslims do not even claim that Muhammad arose.

The evidence proves, not just that Muhammad was not a prophet like Jesus, but that in fact Muhammad was not a true prophet of God at all. His teaching bears none of the proofs of true prophetic teaching, but it does bear all the earmarks of being the work of a false prophet. (Matthew 7:15-23; 15:14; 2 Corinthians 11:13-15; 1 Timothy 4:1-3; Acts 20:28-30; 1 John 4:1; 2 Timothy 4:2-4; Titus 1:9-14; 2 John 9-11; Romans 16:17,18; Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Peter chap. 2)

Philippians 2:9-11 - Jesus has a name that is above every name. To Him every knee will bow and every tongue confess. It follows that Jesus is greater than Muhammad and someday every Muslim will confess it. Everyone ought to confess it now while they have the opportunity to be saved.

To see further evidence that the Bible and the gospel of Jesus are the true revelation of religion, see our article on that subject on our Bible Instruction web site at www.gospelway.com/instruct/.

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Embryology: The Bible Plagiarises Ancient Greek Literature

Elias Karîm

© Islamic Awareness, All Rights Reserved.

Last Updated: 23 June 1999


Assalamu-alaikum wa rahamatullahi wa barakatuhu:

The Christian Missionary Charge of Plagiarism

This is the first article in a series of articles which proposes to examine the Christian missionary paper Embryology in the Qur'ân. The Christian author is described as a "practising medical doctor in the United Kingdom" who wishes to remain anonymous. Writing under the secretive internet e-mail alias of Lactantius, the missionary writes:

However, the most convincing explanation, and the most worrying for those who maintain that the Qur'an is God's eternal Word, untampered with and free from any human interference, is that the Qur'an is using the enormously influential Greek physician Galen's teachings that the second stage of foetal development is a vascular mass, in which case not only is the Qur'an wrong, but it also plagiarises ancient Greek literature!

According to the missionary, the Qur'ân plagiarises ancient Greek Literature, and as a result, it should be rejected as a divinely revealed or inspired scripture. This short paper proposes to examine the Christian charge of plagiarism, and using their own methodology apply their argument to the Bible.

Proof Demanded

To plagiarise something is to commit literary theft by appropriating and passing off the ideas or words of another as one's own. The missionary accuses the Prophet Muhammad(P)[1] of plagiarism and charges him with stealing and passing off the ideas of Galen as his own :

the Qur'an is using the enormously influential Greek physician Galen's teachings... it also plagiarises ancient Greek literature!

This is a serious charge and one would expect the missionary to have provided sufficient evidence in order to "prove beyond reasonable doubt" that Muhammad(P) is indeed the plagiariser and liar that Christian missionaries consider him to be. [2]

Yet the missionary provides no evidence, no proof whatsoever to substantiate this claim of plagiarism. The missionary cites neither the original Greek text of Galen nor the Arabic of the Qur'ân; nor does he provide a sufficiently thorough analysis of the two accounts in order to substantiate his claim. And neither does the missionary cite any hadith or eye-witnesses accounts to prove that the Prophet(P) plagiarised ancient Greek literature. Where then is the proof that Muhammad(P) plagiarised the Galenic stages of development?

We are not asking the missionary to provide evidence of Greek influence on the Qur'ân (a subject of a forth coming paper), but proof that the Prophet Muhammad(P) consciously and knowingly stole and passed off the ideas of Galen (notably Galen's second stage of foetal development) as his own. If the missionary is unable to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" that Muhammad(P) plagiarised the Galenic stages of development then why make such an accusation in the first place?! If the missionary is unable to prove his case "beyond reasonable doubt" then this material should be removed and an apology printed. It is very easy for Christian missionaries to make such accusations, and it is even easier to make them while hiding behind fictitious e-mail accounts and aliases. It seems that this missionary wishes to remain anonymous so that he may continue to befriend (attempt to convert) Muslims in public, while slandering their religion and Prophet(P) in private.

The Bible Plagiarises Ancient Greek Literature

To summarise, the Christian Missionary says that:

  • the Qur'ân is using the enormously influential teachings of the Greek physician Galen.

  • the Qur'ân is plagiarising ancient Greek Literature.

and as a result, it should be rejected as a divinely revealed or inspired scripture. Furthermore, by implication, the Prophet Muhammad(P) could not be a true Prophet of God as he plagiarised ancient Greek literature by consciously and knowingly stealing the ideas of Galen and claiming them to be his own.

What if we were to apply this method of reasoning to the Bible itself? What if we were to apply the same standards against the Bible? If we were to find the Bible plagiarising ancient Greek Literature, then it too should also be rejected as a divinely revealed or inspired scripture -- according to the missionary's own testimony, according to his own standards of reasoning and evidence.

So, what does the Bible say concerning Embryology? In this section we cite embryological references to be found in Bible using the same source as used by the missionary, A History of Embryology[3] by Joseph Needham. It would seem that the missionary has deliberately failed to cite some vital pieces of information concerning Embryology in Antiquity which we aim to supply here.

Embryology in Antiquity

During the period when the biological school of Alexandria was at its height, that city became an important Jewish centre. Two centuries later it was to produce Philo, but now the Alexandrian Jews were writing that part of the modern Bible known as the Wisdom Literature. In books such as the Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, Proverbs, etc. the typical Hellenic exclusion of the action of gods in natural phenomena is clearly to be seen. There are two passages of embryological importance. Firstly, in the Book of Job (10:10), Job is made to say,

"Remember, I beseech thee, that thou hast fashioned me as clay; and wilt thou bring me into the dust again! Hast thou not poured me out as milk, and curdled me like cheese? Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and knit me together with bones and sinews."

This comparison of embryogeny with the making of cheese is interesting in view of the fact that precisely the same comparison occurs in Aristotle's book On the Generation of Animals, as we have already seen.[4]

We now discover that:

  • the Bible is using the enormously influential teachings of the Greek philosopher Aristotle

  • the Bible is plagiarising ancient Greek Literature

and as a result, the Bible should be rejected as a divinely revealed or inspired scripture -- according to the missionary's own testimony, according to his own standards of reasoning and evidence!

Another embryological reference occurs in the Wisdom of Solomon which also copies (plagiarises) an Aristotelian theory:

Still more extraordinary, the only other embryological reference in the Wisdom Literature, which occurs in the Wisdom of Solomon (vii. 2), also copies an Aristotelian theory, namely, that the embryo is formed from (menstrual) blood. There the speaker says,

"In the womb of a mother was I moulded into flesh in the time of ten months, being compacted with blood of the seed of man and the pleasure that accompanieth sleep."

Needham concludes that both references in the Bible can be traced back to Aristotle and even Hippocrates:

Perhaps it is no coincidence that both these citations can be referred back to Aristotle, and in the second case even to Hippocrates; perhaps the Alexandrian Jews of the third century B.C. were studying Aristotle as attentively as Philo Judaeus studied Plato a couple of hundred years later.[5]

Conclusions

The Christian missionary is now left with several difficulties. The missionary needs to explain to the Muslim:

  1. Why the Bible uses the enormously influential teachings of the Greek philosopher Aristotle?

  2. Why the Bible plagiarises ancient Greek Literature?

  3. Why other non-Christian scriptures (e.g. the Qur'ân) would be rejected as a divinely revealed or inspired scripture if they used (or were influenced by) the writings of ancient Greek scientists - but the Bible would not?

  4. Why other non-Christian scriptures (e.g. the Qur'ân) would be charged with plagiarism if they used  (or were influenced by) the writings of ancient Greek scientists - but the Bible would not?

  5. Why the Prophet Muhammad(P) is charged with plagiarism but the authors of Job and the Wisdom of Solomon are not?[6]

  6. Why Christian missionaries continue to charge the Prophet Muhammad(P) with plagiarism of the Galenic stages of development even though they have failed to prove their case?

    And more controversially,

  7. Why do these missionaries reject the Wisdom of Solomon as a divinely inspired scripture when majority of the world's Christians accept it as the word of God?

Concerning the Wisdom of Solomon the Encyclopaedia Britannica informs us that it is:

... an example of the "wisdom" genre of religious literature, which commends a life of introspection and reflection on human existence, especially from an ethical perspective. It is an apocryphal work (noncanonical for Jews and Protestants) but is included in the Septuagint (Greek translation of the Old Testament) and was accepted into the Roman canon.[7]

Thus the Wisdom of Solomon is accepted as a divinely inspired book by Roman Catholics and is included in Roman Catholic Bibles.

The Roman Catholics in the world outnumber all other Christians combined.[8]

The Protestants however, have rejected the book and only include it as part of the Apocrypha even though fragments of it were discovered in the Essene library, at Qumran, in Palestine.[9]

For a discussion concerning the Biblical Canon see Church Tradition & The Textual Integrity Of The Bible and Textual Reliability Of The New Testament.

Modifying the Missionary's own words we conclude:

However, the most convincing explanation, and the most worrying for those who maintain that the Bible is God's eternal Word, untampered with and free from any human interference, is that the Bible is using the enormously influential Greek philosopher Aristotle's  teachings for the stages of foetal development, in which case not only is the Bible wrong, but it also plagiarises ancient Greek literature!

   Islamic Awareness Qur'ân Science Embryology The Bible Plagiarises Ancient Greek Literature


References

[1] The missionaries believe the Prophet Muhammad(P) to have been the author of the Qur'ân, who "plagiarised" Biblical stories and Rabbinic legends in order to compose the Qur'ân. See the Refutation Of The Bible Borrowing Theories.

[2] See the Refutation Of The Bible Borrowing Theories.

[3] Joseph Needham, A History of Embryology, Cambridge University Press, 1959.

[4] Ibid, pp. 64-65.

[5] Ibid, p. 65.

[6] For an interesting example of copying or "plagiarism" within the Bible compare II Kings 19 with Isaiah 37 which are word for word 100% identical yet are attributed to two different authors! According to the Revised Standard Version (William Collins Sons & Co, 1952) the author of II Kings is unknown (RSV, Simple Helps and Visual Aids to the Understanding of the Bible, p. 13) while the book of Isaiah is

mainly credited to Isaiah. Parts may have been written by others. (Ibid, p. 15).

[7] "Solomon, Wisdom of," Encyclopaedia Britannica CD 99 Standard Edition © 1994-1999 Encyclopaedia Britannica, Inc.

[8] "Christianity: Roman Catholicism", Encyclopaedia Britannica, CD 99 Standard Edition © 1994-1999 Encyclopaedia Britannica, Inc.

[9] Ibid.

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